Democrats promise To Probe Bush

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EagleKeeper

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Originally posted by: bdude
Originally posted by: EagleKeeper
In the USA Today, in a related article, Conyers specifically indicates that he will push for impeachment if the Dems get control.

Hopefully calmer heads will prevail.


link?

Hardcopy at the hotel - sorry
 

Harvey

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Originally posted by: conehead433

Topic Title: Democrats promise To Probe Bush
Topic Summary: No immediate plans for impeachment

This article doesn't even mention his total lack of respect for the laws he has signed into effect or the NSA spying. I'm not even going to suggest what he should be probed with.
The generally nature of what the Bushwhackos have done is pretty evident. Defining those actions in terms of the Constitutional specifications of "high crimes and misdemeanors" that would support impeaching Bush and Cheney and removing them from office would require hearings to put their actions on the public record and the power to subpoena records and information to support any charges that follow from what they learn. That will only happen if the Democrats gain a majority in either house of Congress, or, better yet, both houses.
Originally posted by: Meuge

Am I the only one who found the title intriguing?
I'm guessing you're talking about what Bush has done to us since he was elected. :shocked:
 

dmcowen674

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Originally posted by: GroundedSailor
One of the first bills he signed was to make past presidents immune from revealing their secrets or the inner workings of their administration.

So we may never know the truth.
That Law then Officially declares Presidents of the U.S. as Dictators.
 

BriGy86

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a guy i work with was running for MN congress, but dropped out because "long story short, the other guy had more money than me."
 

BriGy86

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Originally posted by: dmcowen674
Originally posted by: BriGy86
a guy I work with was running for MN congress, but dropped out because "long story short, the other guy had more money than me."

That's sad.

Why don't you run then instead???

i too don't have a lot of money :D
 

Rainsford

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Originally posted by: Whoozyerdaddy
Originally posted by: Rainsford
Originally posted by: judasmachine
Whereas I think there is sufficient cause for a probe, I have to ask are we going to have an investigation of all leaders from here on out? Clinton, Bush, Delay, etc...

Until we stop electing idiots, yes.

We can only elect the people who run. The people most qualified to run for leadership positions in this country won't. They either have too much power as they are, can't/won't take the paycut, don't want to deal with the inevitable anal probe the press is sure to give them or can't live up to the perfect ideals that either party demands.

This will be a bad example for some, but GWB almost lost the presidency because of a 25 year old DUI arrest. Clinton made his famous lame "I didn't inhale" line and caught hell for it. Who gives a sh|t?!? Why do I care that a 50-60 year old man had fun in his 20's? I'm closing in on 34 years old right now and I'd be the first to tell you that I'm nowhere near the person I was when I was 21. What does that have to do with me now? Nothing.

So what happens? We elect the person who is most able to hide their flaws. And what kind of person is best capable of hiding their flaws? Addicts, cheats and liars. And what do we have in congress... Patrick Kennedy... Addict. Tom Delay... Liar & Cheat. Cynthia McKinney... Liar. Bill Frist... Cheat. James Trafficant... Cheat. Ted Kennedy... Addict, Liar & Cheat. (Trifecta!) Randall Cunningham... Cheat. William Jefferson... Liar & Cheat. And on and on and fvcking on...

And that's just federal office. Then you have state politics! The crap in Ohio and Lousiana and pretty much everywhere else... We even imported it here when we promoted Murkowski from senator to governor.

Politics reminds me of the olympics. We all root for our team but at the same time we quietly ignore the fact that everyone who wins a gold medal cheated to get it. (If you think that any gold medalist is drug free you're kidding yourself - only the dumb ones get caught)

The natural athletes get left on the sidelines just like the real leaders can't win elections. Our system is built to where you have to cheat to win. And whoever is better at it wins. Cheating is just another part of the game. It's accepted and it sucks. But the sad truth is that the cheaters are way ahead of the people who are policing them. And when the cheaters retire they graduate to oversight positions.

And here we are.

I suppose that's the problem with any system, there just aren't enough good checks in place to keep people honest. So when you get a system where the benefits of victory are so great, the ONLY people who will be able to cut it will almost always be the last people you want to win.

Democracy is really kind of a crummy system (especially our two party nonsense), the only saving grace is that it is LESS crummy than anything else.
 

BriGy86

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Originally posted by: Rainsford
Originally posted by: Whoozyerdaddy
Originally posted by: Rainsford
Originally posted by: judasmachine
Whereas I think there is sufficient cause for a probe, I have to ask are we going to have an investigation of all leaders from here on out? Clinton, Bush, Delay, etc...

Until we stop electing idiots, yes.

We can only elect the people who run. The people most qualified to run for leadership positions in this country won't. They either have too much power as they are, can't/won't take the paycut, don't want to deal with the inevitable anal probe the press is sure to give them or can't live up to the perfect ideals that either party demands.

This will be a bad example for some, but GWB almost lost the presidency because of a 25 year old DUI arrest. Clinton made his famous lame "I didn't inhale" line and caught hell for it. Who gives a sh|t?!? Why do I care that a 50-60 year old man had fun in his 20's? I'm closing in on 34 years old right now and I'd be the first to tell you that I'm nowhere near the person I was when I was 21. What does that have to do with me now? Nothing.

So what happens? We elect the person who is most able to hide their flaws. And what kind of person is best capable of hiding their flaws? Addicts, cheats and liars. And what do we have in congress... Patrick Kennedy... Addict. Tom Delay... Liar & Cheat. Cynthia McKinney... Liar. Bill Frist... Cheat. James Trafficant... Cheat. Ted Kennedy... Addict, Liar & Cheat. (Trifecta!) Randall Cunningham... Cheat. William Jefferson... Liar & Cheat. And on and on and fvcking on...

And that's just federal office. Then you have state politics! The crap in Ohio and Lousiana and pretty much everywhere else... We even imported it here when we promoted Murkowski from senator to governor.

Politics reminds me of the olympics. We all root for our team but at the same time we quietly ignore the fact that everyone who wins a gold medal cheated to get it. (If you think that any gold medalist is drug free you're kidding yourself - only the dumb ones get caught)

The natural athletes get left on the sidelines just like the real leaders can't win elections. Our system is built to where you have to cheat to win. And whoever is better at it wins. Cheating is just another part of the game. It's accepted and it sucks. But the sad truth is that the cheaters are way ahead of the people who are policing them. And when the cheaters retire they graduate to oversight positions.

And here we are.

I suppose that's the problem with any system, there just aren't enough good checks in place to keep people honest. So when you get a system where the benefits of victory are so great, the ONLY people who will be able to cut it will almost always be the last people you want to win.

Democracy is really kind of a crummy system (especially our two party nonsense), the only saving grace is that it is LESS crummy than anything else.

its only a 2 pary system because of the voters, granted there are some odd parties like the nazi and communist party, there are still decent 3rd parties

http://www.politics1.com/parties.htm

i refuse to vote for republicans or democrats anymore, they have gotten way too much power, its like voting for dumb or dumber
 

blahblah99

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Originally posted by: Rainsford
Originally posted by: judasmachine
Whereas I think there is sufficient cause for a probe, I have to ask are we going to have an investigation of all leaders from here on out? Clinton, Bush, Delay, etc...

Until we stop allowing idiots to elect themselves, yes.

Fixed.
 

Rainsford

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Originally posted by: blahblah99
Originally posted by: Rainsford
Originally posted by: judasmachine
Whereas I think there is sufficient cause for a probe, I have to ask are we going to have an investigation of all leaders from here on out? Clinton, Bush, Delay, etc...

Until we stop allowing idiots to elect themselves, yes.

Fixed.

Semantics...even viscious dictators aren't able to keep their power when the people decide they've had enough. We can complain all we like about how the Republicans and the Dems have a lock on the system, but if we REALLY decided, as a group, to kick them out on their fat asses, it would be so quick it'd be over in time to get on the evening news.

A democracy, even a flawed one, allows for the possibility of a bloodless revolution, but like usual, it's up to the people to take advantage of that fact.
 

zephyrprime

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You're so right Whoozyerdaddy. It's unfortunate but that's the way our system is. Perhaps it's just human nature.

And BriGy86: I have to disagree. We have a 2 party system because we have a winner-takes-all system, not because of the voters. Look how many parties countries with parliamentary systems have.
 

piasabird

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Are they going to beam him up to their spaceship and use an Anal Probe???

If they can not Impeach a sitting president, they should just shut up. They are nothing more than spoiled brats that cant get their way.

A lot of these democrats voted for funding this war and now want to look like they are against it. Talk about a flip flop?
 

blackllotus

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Originally posted by: piasabird
Are they going to beam him up to their spaceship and use an Anal Probe???

If they can not Impeach a sitting president, they should just shut up. They are nothing more than spoiled brats that cant get their way.

A lot of these democrats voted for funding this war and now want to look like they are against it. Talk about a flip flop?

Maybe they're against it now because the current administration totally ****** it up
 

BoomerD

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Originally posted by: blackllotus
Originally posted by: piasabird
Are they going to beam him up to their spaceship and use an Anal Probe???

If they can not Impeach a sitting president, they should just shut up. They are nothing more than spoiled brats that cant get their way.

A lot of these democrats voted for funding this war and now want to look like they are against it. Talk about a flip flop?

Maybe they're against it now because the current administration totally ****** it up


OR, maybe they've changed their position on supporting the war, because they found out they were lied to, just like the rest of America with the phony/faulty intel they were given as reasons to go to war...Remember all these?

What the Bush team said:

Simply stated, there is no doubt that Saddam Hussein now has weapons of mass destruction.
Dick Cheney August 26, 2002

Right now, Iraq is expanding and improving facilities that were used for the production of biological weapons
George W. Bush, Sep. 12, 2002

Iraq has stockpiled biological and chemical weapons, and is rebuilding the facilities used to make more of those weapons
George W. Bush, Radio Address, Oct. 5, 2002

The Iraqi regime . . . possesses and produces chemical and biological weapons. It is seeking nuclear weapons. We know that the regime has produced thousands of tons of chemical agents, including mustard gas, sarin nerve gas, VX nerve gas."
George W. Bush, Oct. 7, 2002

And surveillance photos reveal that the regime is rebuilding facilities that it had used to produce chemical and biological weapons.
George W. Bush Oct 10, 2002

Iraq could decide on any given day to provide biological or chemical weapons to a terrorist group or to individual terrorists,...The war on terror will not be won until Iraq is completely and verifiably deprived of weapons of mass destruction.
Dick Cheney Dec 1, 2002

Our intelligence officials estimate that Saddam Hussein had the materials to produce as much as 500 tons of sarin, mustard and VX nerve agent" and "upwards of 30,000 munitions capable of delivering chemical agents...
George W. Bush, Jan. 28, 2003

Our intelligence officials estimate that Saddam Hussein had the materials to produce as much as 500 tons of sarin, mustard and VX nerve agent.
George W. Bush January 28, 2003

We know that Saddam Hussein is determined to keep his weapons of mass destruction, is determined to make more.
Colin Powell February 5, 2003

We have sources that tell us that Saddam Hussein recently authorized Iraqi field commanders to use chemical weapons -- the very weapons the dictator tells us he does not have.
George Bush February 8, 2003

Well, there is no question that we have evidence and information that Iraq has weapons of mass destruction, biological and chemical particularly.
Ari Fleischer, Mar. 21, 2003

So has the strategic decision been made to disarm Iraq of its weapons of mass destruction by the leadership in Baghdad? I think our judgment has to be clearly not.
Colin Powell March 8, 2003

Intelligence gathered by this and other governments leaves no doubt that the Iraq regime continues to possess and conceal some of the most lethal weapons ever devised.
George Bush March 18, 2003

We are asked to accept Saddam decided to destroy those weapons. I say that such a claim is palpably absurd.
Tony Blair, Prime Minister 18 March, 2003

There is no doubt that the regime of Saddam Hussein possesses weapons of mass destruction. As this operation continues, those weapons will be identified, found, along with the people who have produced them and who guard them.
Gen. Tommy Franks March 22, 2003

We know where they are. They are in the area around Tikrit and Baghdad.
Donald Rumsfeld March 30, 2003

We are learning more as we interrogate or have discussions with Iraqi scientists and people within the Iraqi structure, that perhaps he destroyed some, perhaps he dispersed some. And so we will find them.
George Bush April 24, 2003

Before people crow about the absence of weapons of mass destruction, I suggest they wait a bit.
Tony Blair 28 April, 2003

There are people who in large measure have information that we need . . . so that we can track down the weapons of mass destruction in that country.
Donald Rumsfeld April 25, 2003

We'll find them. It'll be a matter of time to do so.
George Bush May 3, 2003

I am confident that we will find evidence that makes it clear he had weapons of mass destruction.
Colin Powell May 4, 2003

I'm not surprised if we begin to uncover the weapons program of Saddam Hussein -- because he had a weapons program.
George W. Bush May 6, 2003


How many of those proved to be true? Our congressmen & women were fed the same pack of lies and misinformation (and probably more) that the rest of us were, to get their support for the war.