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Democrats label Sen. Miller (D-Ga) a "turncoat"

ToeJam13

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In tonight's Republican convention (2004-09-01), Senator Zell Miller plans speaking on behalf of Republicans. He has officially thrown his support behind President Bush even though ironically he opposed the president?s father during his own campaign.

Sen. Miller cites the liberalization of the Democratic Party. In specific he cites, "The Democratic Party today has gone further and further to the left. It's left me, it's left moderates and it's left a lot of people who want to support a strong commander in chief?.

Could this be yet another victim of the wussifying of the left wing in this country? With strong leaders such as John F Kennedy and Harry Truman a thing of the past, southern Dixiecrats are being forced into an awkward position: support what they see as a party taken hostage by radical left wing agendas which counter their conservative southern beliefs, or side with fat cat Republicans who tend to oppose many of their social safety net views.

Large groups of Democrats who helped vote in Sen. Miller have been expressing their outrage on the steps of his Atlanta office. They are foaming at the mouth at the prospect of their electee helping promote the pro-war Bush campaign.

Silently, some conservative Democrats agree with Miller?s position. They support the notion of ?might makes right? and that it?s a good idea that the United States take care of hostile regimes and organizations on their turf.

Miller?s invitation to the convention is not by chance, however. Republicans have been eagerly portraying themselves this election with moderates and mavericks such as McCain and Schwarzenegger. This ?Softer Side of GOP? is an effort to counter the pandering of the president to ultra-religious zealots.

Regardless, it?s good old fashioned payback. Democrats giggled and snickered when they lured Sen. James Jeffords (I-VT) from the Republican Party three years ago. Payback is a you know what.
 
You ought to listen to what he said about Bush in 92. Holy crap did he rip him a new one.

The republican convention is starting to get down right creepy.....

They're creepy people, what would you expect.
 
Anyone notice how this ENTIRE convention has been devoid of any issue other than national security. Nobody has even remotely begun to bring up the economy, healthcare, education, or any of the issues that really matter to Americans these days. I wonder why...........
 
Originally posted by: Genx87
Pretty decent speech. Man seems prett damn pissed at his own party lol.

He's a Democrat in name only.

Much like the entire Bush administration is Republican in name only.
 
You know what, I understand that there is valid criticism to be made about John Kerry, but some of the things this man is saying are just downright despicable. To insinuate that John Kerry would let our troops fight with spitballs, or to say that he would hand this nation over to terrorists is just downright hateful lying. I for one am glad that this pathetic loser is on his way out, you Republicans can certainly keep him for the two-timing flip-flopping sack of crap that he is.
 
Nobody is bitter, all this negative lying and distortion from the Republicans will no doubt backfire on them. The American people can handle a bit of "contrasting", but what I've seen and heard tonight has been extremely vicious. It's this kind of hateful rhetoric that turns people off.
 
Originally posted by: Genx87
He's a Democrat in name only.

Much like the entire Bush administration is Republican in name only.

You sound bitter.

Want some cheese with that whine?
Bitter? How do I "sound bitter" in that simple, factual, unemotional post?

😕
 
Originally posted by: conjur

Bitter? How do I "sound bitter" in that simple, factual, unemotional post?

😕

He's obviously got a junior-high-style crush on you, hence his sig and obsessive need to refute even your most benign posts. If I were you I'd keep playing hard to get.
 
Here's Zell Miller's speech about John Kerry from a few years ago. Thought it would be interesting to compare and contrast to tonights.

It is good to be back in Georgia and to be with you. I have been coming to these dinners since the 1950s, and have missed very few.

I'm proud to be Georgia's junior senator and I'm honored to serve with Max Cleland, who is as loved and respected as anyone in that body. One of our very highest priorities must be to make sure this man is re-elected in 2002 so he can continue to serve this state and nation.

I continue to be impressed with all that Governor Barnes and Lieutenant Governor Taylor and the Speaker and the General Assembly are getting done over at the Gold Dome. Georgia is fortunate to have this kind of leadership.

My job tonight is an easy one: to present to you one of this nation's authentic heroes, one of this party's best-known and greatest leaders ? and a good friend.

He was once a lieutenant governor ? but he didn't stay in that office 16 years, like someone else I know. It just took two years before the people of Massachusetts moved him into the United States Senate in 1984.

In his 16 years in the Senate, John Kerry has fought against government waste and worked hard to bring some accountability to Washington.

Early in his Senate career in 1986, John signed on to the Gramm-Rudman-Hollings Deficit Reduction Bill, and he fought for balanced budgets before it was considered politically correct for Democrats to do so.

John has worked to strengthen our military, reform public education, boost the economy and protect the environment. Business Week magazine named him one of the top pro-technology legislators and made him a member of its "Digital Dozen."

John was re-elected in 1990 and again in 1996 ? when he defeated popular Republican Governor William Weld in the most closely watched Senate race in the country.

John is a graduate of Yale University and was a gunboat officer in the Navy. He received a Silver Star, Bronze Star and three awards of the Purple Heart for combat duty in Vietnam. He later co-founded the Vietnam Veterans of America.

He is married to Teresa Heinz and they have two daughters.

As many of you know, I have great affection ? some might say an obsession ? for my two Labrador retrievers, Gus and Woodrow. It turns out John is a fellow dog lover, too, and he better be. His German Shepherd, Kim, is about to have puppies. And I just want him to know ? Gus and Woodrow had nothing to do with that.

Ladies and Gentlemen, please welcome Senator John Kerry.
 
Originally posted by: SViscusi
Here's Zell Miller's speech about John Kerry from a few years ago. Thought it would be interesting to compare and contrast to tonights.

It is good to be back in Georgia and to be with you. I have been coming to these dinners since the 1950s, and have missed very few.

I'm proud to be Georgia's junior senator and I'm honored to serve with Max Cleland, who is as loved and respected as anyone in that body. One of our very highest priorities must be to make sure this man is re-elected in 2002 so he can continue to serve this state and nation.

I continue to be impressed with all that Governor Barnes and Lieutenant Governor Taylor and the Speaker and the General Assembly are getting done over at the Gold Dome. Georgia is fortunate to have this kind of leadership.

My job tonight is an easy one: to present to you one of this nation's authentic heroes, one of this party's best-known and greatest leaders ? and a good friend.

He was once a lieutenant governor ? but he didn't stay in that office 16 years, like someone else I know. It just took two years before the people of Massachusetts moved him into the United States Senate in 1984.

In his 16 years in the Senate, John Kerry has fought against government waste and worked hard to bring some accountability to Washington.

Early in his Senate career in 1986, John signed on to the Gramm-Rudman-Hollings Deficit Reduction Bill, and he fought for balanced budgets before it was considered politically correct for Democrats to do so.

John has worked to strengthen our military, reform public education, boost the economy and protect the environment. Business Week magazine named him one of the top pro-technology legislators and made him a member of its "Digital Dozen."

John was re-elected in 1990 and again in 1996 ? when he defeated popular Republican Governor William Weld in the most closely watched Senate race in the country.

John is a graduate of Yale University and was a gunboat officer in the Navy. He received a Silver Star, Bronze Star and three awards of the Purple Heart for combat duty in Vietnam. He later co-founded the Vietnam Veterans of America.

He is married to Teresa Heinz and they have two daughters.

As many of you know, I have great affection ? some might say an obsession ? for my two Labrador retrievers, Gus and Woodrow. It turns out John is a fellow dog lover, too, and he better be. His German Shepherd, Kim, is about to have puppies. And I just want him to know ? Gus and Woodrow had nothing to do with that.

Ladies and Gentlemen, please welcome Senator John Kerry.

How can you defend a slimeball like Zell Miller, let alone let him be your KEYNOTE speaker. This is just disgusting on all levels and I'd be ashamed if I were a Republican.
 
Originally posted by: Sudheer Anne
Anyone notice how this ENTIRE convention has been devoid of any issue other than national security. Nobody has even remotely begun to bring up the economy, healthcare, education, or any of the issues that really matter to Americans these days. I wonder why...........

I look at politics differently from most people in this country. So this is just one of a billion other perspectives:

Bringing up the economy is a mixed permission, since no Presidential candidate will ever have the economic clout that the Federal Reserve Banks monetary policies do.

While the Executive Branches fiscal operation isn?t completely frail, it isn?t as precise of an art as to how those types of policies will actually influence our economy.

Healthcare is a very valid discussion to be having, especially some type of socialized health care system.

Education is another mixed topic. It is in the job description of the states to control and mediate this matter, not the federal governments. It is only more recently that our national government has begun to make this a major issue for election. While it can be said that they have influence over this issue via fiscal manipulation (through the appropriating federal funding) the majority of this issue still resides in the hands of the states local government.


 
Here's what happened. The South used to be a Democratic bastion. Slowly, the Republican party and red-state morons became more and more similar on goals like racism and warmongering. Republicans started to win seats. But there were still old school Dixiecrats left over who shared an affection for lynching, for example. So some switched. Many died or retired. And some, like Miller, just effectively changed party. This guy ain't a Democrat so there's no point trying to take a lesson from whatever he's saying.

If you neocons think he makes a lot of sense that's because he's spouting all the drivel you hold so dear to your anger-filled hearts. If it walks like a duck...
 
Originally posted by: Infohawk
Here's what happened. The South used to be a Democratic bastion. Slowly, the Republican party and red-state morons became more and more similar on goals like racism and warmongering. Republicans started to win seats. But there were still old school Dixiecrats left over who shared an affection for lynching, for example. So some switched. Many died or retired. And some, like Miller, just effectively changed party. This guy ain't a Democrat so there's no point trying to take a lesson from whatever he's saying.

If you neocons think he makes a lot of sense that's because he's spouting all the drivel you hold so dear to your anger-filled hearts. If it walks like a duck...
The truth is he was far left, fell off the meter, and wound up far right.
 
Originally posted by: Infohawk
Here's what happened. The South used to be a Democratic bastion. Slowly, the Republican party and red-state morons became more and more similar on goals like racism and warmongering. Republicans started to win seats. But there were still old school Dixiecrats left over who shared an affection for lynching, for example. So some switched. Many died or retired. And some, like Miller, just effectively changed party. This guy ain't a Democrat so there's no point trying to take a lesson from whatever he's saying.

If you neocons think he makes a lot of sense that's because he's spouting all the drivel you hold so dear to your anger-filled hearts. If it walks like a duck...

So then, are you saying the democrats used to be the party of warmongering, racism, and lynching? God you guys are desperate.. 'They don't agree with my views, so they must be racist warmonger lynchers!'.. Come on...
 
Originally posted by: her209
OMG, the Chris Matthews interview with Miller is friggin hilarious.

i hope he comes to the show tomorrow. zell was ready to kick chris matthew's ass. 🙂
 
The Democratic Party used to have huge success in the South with many charismatic Southerners as its prominent members. Civil Rights and desegregation really turned off much of its Southern base, and as a result many jumped ship to the Republican party.
 
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