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Democrats label Sen. Miller (D-Ga) a "turncoat"

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ZELL MILLER Needs to be FIRED!

That hypocrite is a turncoat - bashing his own party durning the 3rd night of the Republican National Convention! Just as they were in 2000 here in Philadelphia, the Republicans insist on being hypocrites to bait-and-switch voters in 2004...at least Bush has integrity in that one respect.

"What has happened to the party I've spent my life working in?" Miller asked.


OK, Zell...who has been paying you off?

"Time after time in our history, in the face of great danger, Democrats and Republicans worked together to ensure that freedom would not falter. But not today.


Actually, not since the Bush Regime thumbed its nose up at the World and the UN and decided that it will do what it wants to do to Saddamm regardless of any proof or legitimacy of its accusations.

"Motivated more by partisan politics than by national security, today's Democratic leaders see America as an occupier, not a liberator."


OK, do I even need to mention "Halliburton" and the Bush Regime getting their dirty little hands all over Iraqi's oil industry? How about Bush wanting to keep US military bases in Iraq forever? How about the Bush occupation of Iraq since early 2003 with no end in site? Should I go on, Zell?!!

Miller gave a keynote speech at the Democratic convention in 1992, also in New York. At that time, he called his "a party of hope" and said Republicans "dealt in cynicism and skepticism."

"They have mastered the art of division and diversion, and they have robbed us of our hope."


Right, it's time to not forget your family roots...ZELL! Talk about flip-flopping...I hope your wife isn't fearing that you'll turn on your marriage to her at any moment.

Miller said he supports George Bush because the president has "a good heart and a spine of tempered steel." The two met when both were governors and the Georgian appreciated the Texan for his religious beliefs and his straightforward manner.

"I like the fact that he's the same man on Saturday night that he is on Sunday morning," Miller said.


Yeah well you just go see how George is on Monday, after attack-dog Cheney reels him in, mmmmmkay? George flips around more than a weather wind guage!

Democratic National Committee Chairman Terry McAuliffe, a frequent target of Miller's crusty Appalachian wit, went so far Wednesday as to accuse the senator of attacking his own party to sell books.

"If he were just another Republican with a book, he wouldn't sell any. But a Democrat out whacking Democrats sells books," McAuliffe told CNN, urging Miller to switch parties.


Well, now we're getting to the root of the matter: I'll bet BU$H has resorted to paying off Zell under-the-table to do this for publicity. Hmmmm...something smells more fishy than a lobster boat off the Maine coast!

Democratic National Committee spokesman Jano Cabrera released a statement afterward, saying Miller sounded like an "angry, rabid elephant."


True that!

"His speech was nothing more than a series of irrational and inconsistent political attacks cobbled together by his Republican handlers," Cabrera said. "And though three years ago, he called John Kerry a friend, one of the greatest leaders of our time and an authentic hero, tonight, for political and personal gain, he adopted the smear tactic refrains of the Bush administration."


Turncoat! BLEH 😛

If Zell really feels so strongly against his party, then he needs to switch affiliation to the Republican party. Senator Jim Jeffords (Vermont) switched from Republican to Democrat back in 2001.
 
After watching the video of Zell Miller, I can honestly say through first-hand experience is that Miller is suffering from the first stages of Alzheimer's Disease.
 
Apparently many knee-jerks weren't listening to Millers speech. He admires the Democrats of old, the ones with backbone, not afraid of losing popularity. He stated that he admired the Democrats that beleived that America came before other countries. He insinuates that his generation of Democrats won't ask for Frances permission to do anything. Miller clearly has issues with Kerry, not the Democrats.

Unfortunately for most knee-jerks and Yellow-Dogs, most Southern Democrats feel the same way. That's why the South votes conservative as a block. Kerry is Faaaaaarrrrrr from Conservative. He cannot hope to carry the South. Gore couldn't, and he was more conservative than Kerry. Howard Dean would have stood a better chance in the South than Kerry.

Miller has stated before that he believes the Democrats of Old used to be the party that stood up for American families, now they stand to gain money, power, and popularity. Miller is not a Republican by choice, but by his own party not having focus on what lead Miller to be a Democrat in the first place. family values and backbone.

I don't beleive all Democrats are like Kerry. I just feel that the radical left has hijacked the Democratic party for it's own agenda, and Kerry is it's tool to get what it wants. The violent protesters are a prime example. A Cop beaten into unconsciousness while an Observer-lawyer watched, yet did not give any testimony. Assaults by Tresspassers to the Republican Youth Convention, and various assaults against conventioners paint the picture of a radical left, not conservative values. Where was the violence at the DNC?

When the Democrats wake up to the fact that their own left is out of control, it will be too late to save face. They loose face every day they are the "Party against George Bush", not a party with something of value to offer.
 
Originally posted by: maluckey
Miller has stated before that he believes the Democrats of Old used to be the party that stood up for American families, now they stand to gain money, power, and popularity. Miller is not a Republican by choice, but by his own party not having focus on what lead Miller to be a Democrat in the first place. family values and backbone.
Hmm...odd that he would move to be Republican as that's how the GOP is currently situated.

Or have you not been paying attention to Rove's directions and how many scandals have been involved with various members of this administration?
 
I think it would be clear to any dispassionate observer that Zell has slipped a cog or two.

And it's also stunning what short memories everybody seems to have. The folks who condemned Dean for being "too angry" now seem to think that a Zell Miller deranged by bitterness and rage is just fine, a model politician...
 
Originally posted by: Jhhnn
I think it would be clear to any dispassionate observer that Zell has slipped a cog or two.

And it's also stunning what short memories everybody seems to have. The folks who condemned Dean for being "too angry" now seem to think that a Zell Miller deranged by bitterness and rage is just fine, a model politician...

But...but...but...he's screaming and raving for the Right reasons. And we know not to dare criticize the Right reasons.
 
Originally posted by: conjur
Originally posted by: Jhhnn
I think it would be clear to any dispassionate observer that Zell has slipped a cog or two.

And it's also stunning what short memories everybody seems to have. The folks who condemned Dean for being "too angry" now seem to think that a Zell Miller deranged by bitterness and rage is just fine, a model politician...

But...but...but...he's screaming and raving for the Right reasons. And we know not to dare criticize the Right reasons.

you are on the right, right?
 
I never found Dean too angry, just misguided. Miller is focused on what drives him.....His family, and the apparent (in his viewpoint) decline of the Democratic Party.

Showing passion for your beliefs can show conviction, be you wrong or right. This conviction, if for causes beneficial, is a good thing. Otherwise it is blinded passion and wasted emotion.
 
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/5445086/

http://www.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0409/01/se.03.html

Need I say more?

It seems to be as such -> Bush & Conservative Republicans use bias and personal feelings to make decisions. Lies, personal agendas, illogical, disrespectful attitudes begin to become truth for them replacing the reality that is so clearly in front of them. Example: Miller said Kerry didn't support defence spending (F14s etc) but FACT shows he voted 16 out of 19 times FOR. Bush said there were weapons of mass destruction in Iraq where at the beginning of his term, Condie and Colin both said Saddam had no capability of making the weapons at all.

When hardcode, written in stone fact loses credibility to lies and personal goals, that persons perception on reality is highly questionable.

Miller and the Bush administration and their supporting conservative base is suffering from massive psychosis. So did Hitler and Mussolini and Stalin and ....

Catch is, Bush's motivation is money. That sits a little better than plain genocide and social control... I guess..

But to stay on topic, Miller is a old fool. I would be suprised to see him in the next few years sitting on his porch in a rocking chair, brandishing a shotgun, screaming at all the non-white people going by and telling them to 'go home'. Unfortunately, that perception fits a lot of conservatives... I wish it weren't so.

Miller is moot.
 
Originally posted by: maluckey
I never found Dean too angry, just misguided. Miller is focused on what drives him.....His family, and the apparent (in his viewpoint) decline of the Democratic Party.

Showing passion for your beliefs can show conviction, be you wrong or right. This conviction, if for causes beneficial, is a good thing. Otherwise it is blinded passion and wasted emotion.

I agree. Miller's conviction yet admirable IS blinded passion and wasted emotion. I wish he and many others were that passionate about more important issues like EVERYTHING domestic.
 
Originally posted by: conjur
Not the way the GOP is currently stanced. My party has left me. I'm longing for its return.

And you say Zell has switched yet you won't hold yourself to that same standard. His reasons are the same as you claim. How can you deride him - without doing the same to yourself?

CsG
 
Because I hold out hope that the McCains and Powells of the GOP will take back the party from the neocons.
 
Originally posted by: conjur
Because I hold out hope that the McCains and Powells of the GOP will take back the party from the neocons.

And he holds out hope and says that he'll always be a Democrat. The standard you apply to him applies to you also. You made your bed - you must now lie in it.

CsG
 
Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Originally posted by: conjur
Because I hold out hope that the McCains and Powells of the GOP will take back the party from the neocons.

And he holds out hope and says that he'll always be a Democrat. The standard you apply to him applies to you also. You made your bed - you must now lie in it.

CsG
Uh, he never said he holds out hope.

And, where did I say he must switch parties? I said he has switched parties. He's made an abrupt turn to follow in line with the neocon hijacking of the GOP. Remember, the roots of neoconservativism are in liberals from the 60s who have moved toward more authoritarian and imperialistic viewpoints.
 
Originally posted by: conjur
Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Originally posted by: conjur
Because I hold out hope that the McCains and Powells of the GOP will take back the party from the neocons.

And he holds out hope and says that he'll always be a Democrat. The standard you apply to him applies to you also. You made your bed - you must now lie in it.

CsG
Uh, he never said he holds out hope.

And, where did I say he must switch parties? I said he has switched parties. He's made an abrupt turn to follow in line with the neocon hijacking of the GOP. Remember, the roots of neoconservativism are in liberals from the 60s who have moved toward more authoritarian and imperialistic viewpoints.

He said he'll be a lifelong democrat. You figure that one out...:roll:

Exactly - you say he has switched parties - an then that same logic applied to you means you have switched parties. You can continue to try to hide behind you little story but it's obvious what you have become.

CsG
 
Apparently many knee-jerks weren't listening to Millers speech. He admires the Democrats of old, the ones with backbone, not afraid of losing popularity. He stated that he admired the Democrats that believed that America came before other countries. He insinuates that his generation of Democrats won't ask for Frances permission to do anything. Miller clearly has issues with Kerry, not the Democrats.

Unfortunately for most knee-jerks and Yellow-Dogs, most Southern Democrats feel the same way. That's why the South votes conservative as a block...

Agreed. Democrats of old have always had strength. I think around L.B.Johnson's presidency (and the 1960s in general), the Democratic Party took a hard turn away from strong international policy. After all, Vietnam was unpopular and a lot of votes could be attained by coming out against the war. Its stuck ever since.

I really think Clinton started out as such a president, but slowly came to appreciating and admiring the military during his second term (see: ethnic cleansing in Kosovo, UN mission to follow). However, most Democrats never grow or change like that, and instead see the military and foreign missions are warmongering.


Kerry is Faaaaaarrrrrr from Conservative. He cannot hope to carry the South. Gore couldn't, and he was more conservative than Kerry. Howard Dean would have stood a better chance in the South than Kerry.

Which is why he has Vice President South Carolina as his running mate. However, presidencies aren't made by their vice president. After all, look at Quayle.

Miller has stated before that he believes the Democrats of Old used to be the party that stood up for American families, now they stand to gain money, power, and popularity. Miller is not a Republican by choice, but by his own party not having focus on what lead Miller to be a Democrat in the first place. family values and backbone.

Nope. Instead of creating a viable safety net, they pander to the poor. At the same time, they make sure that their friends and family in high places make a boatload of money.

I don't believe all Democrats are like Kerry. I just feel that the radical left has hijacked the Democratic party for it's own agenda, and Kerry is it's tool to get what it wants. The violent protesters are a prime example. A Cop beaten into unconsciousness while an Observer-lawyer watched, yet did not give any testimony. Assaults by Trespassers to the Republican Youth Convention, and various assaults against conventioneers paint the picture of a radical left, not conservative values. Where was the violence at the DNC?

I was in Seattle during the WTO. Those peace loving hippies were anything but during the riots. It was horrible. Protesters were throwing things through store windows, rushing delegates, and assaulting police. It's become their way of working. Hell, even the Nazis and white supremacist behave better in public.

When the Democrats wake up to the fact that their own left is out of control, it will be too late to save face. They loose face every day they are the "Party against George Bush", not a party with something of value to offer.

Both parties are going their opposite directions. The middle is loosing ground every year because nobody goes out to the primaries to vote in moderates. However, while the extreme right is pushing for a more static and controlled social agenda, the left is being further represented by social anarchists. Eventually, it will backfire because they must constantly grow more extreme to get their point across to a government which has found a more effective form of ear plugs.
 
Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Originally posted by: conjur
Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY
Originally posted by: conjur
Because I hold out hope that the McCains and Powells of the GOP will take back the party from the neocons.

And he holds out hope and says that he'll always be a Democrat. The standard you apply to him applies to you also. You made your bed - you must now lie in it.

CsG
Uh, he never said he holds out hope.

And, where did I say he must switch parties? I said he has switched parties. He's made an abrupt turn to follow in line with the neocon hijacking of the GOP. Remember, the roots of neoconservativism are in liberals from the 60s who have moved toward more authoritarian and imperialistic viewpoints.

He said he'll be a lifelong democrat. You figure that one out...:roll:

Exactly - you say he has switched parties - an then that same logic applied to you means you have switched parties. You can continue to try to hide behind you little story but it's obvious what you have become.

CsG

Ayup. A Republican. That's why I voted for our Republican Governor, Ernie Fletcher.
 
Originally posted by: ToeJam13

I was in Seattle during the WTO. Those peace loving hippies were anything but during the riots. It was horrible. Protesters were throwing things through store windows, rushing delegates, and assaulting police. It's become their way of working. Hell, even the Nazis and white supremacist behave better in public.

Where do murderous, right-wing, fanatical, fundamentalist, snake-handling pro-life doctor-killers fall in your bevahior ranking?
 
Meanwhile, Tim Blair had this to say about old Zell.

[...]

Actually, compared to the themes routinely hauled up by the anti-Bushites - Hail to the Thief, Halliburton, Bush Lied, Bush Knew, BusHitler, etc. - Miller's speech was an exercise in elegant restraint.

[...]
Heh
 
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