Democrats huge HUGE risk

[theeedude]

Democrats aren't ignoring it.

 

[Muse]

This. Trump WILL be your next president!

If that is true, it will put an exclamation point on the notion that America completely lost its way.

 

[Muse]

Tweak the poll to give Hillary an edge, no, the DNC and CBS would never do that

I don't think polling now makes much sense. The polls 3 weeks from now will give time for the waves to subside in the tank after the conventions' seismic convulsions.

 

[blankslate]

I just spent the last 20 minutes reading through some of the comments on the Democratic party page. People seem to be really pissed at the DNC, DWS and are leaving for Stein, writing in Sanders, or jumping over to Trump. I do understand there are probably some Republican trolls in there, but still, there seem to be a lot of genuine Dems who are infuriated, especially after the email leak.

I am one of those pissed the fuck off at Shillary... kowtowing to big corporate donors... Choosing Tim "TPP is good yessir" Kaine over a more progressive VP choice. Sorry that's the move of a shill.

I'm voting for Jill Stein since I am in a solidly blue state. If I was in a swing state I'd have a harder choice to make.

Fuck "Do Anything for Hillary" W.S.


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[soundforbjt]

To those saying Bernie supporters are not voting Hillary, 78% of Bernie supporters are now voting for Hillary.

 

[blankslate]

To those saying Bernie supporters are not voting Hillary, 78% of Bernie supporters are now voting for Hillary.

Sure most of the voters are going for Clinton...

but a very important segment isn't so sanguine about her.

http://thehill.com/blogs/congress-b...emocratic-party-missed-the-opportunity-to-win

Maybe you won't agree with the opinion but securing younger voters should be an important consideration for any viable party.

3rd Party candidate Google Searches have Skyrocketed in the past Week



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[fskimospy]

I don't think polling now makes much sense. The polls 3 weeks from now will give time for the waves to subside in the tank after the conventions' seismic convulsions.

It's also totally untrue. What the email said was that they wanted a change to the bullet points describing the results of the poll, which were about party unity, not Clinton vs. Sanders.

So not only were they not asking for changes to the poll, but it wasn't even pro-Clinton so much as pro-Democratic Party. I don't think he's even reading the emails he is posting, I imagine he is copy/pasting from Reddit or somewhere like that.

 

[Moonbeam]

If that is true, it will put an exclamation point on the notion that America completely lost its way.

If by that you mean that democrats have lost their way and proved inept both at a meaningful message and real world convincing documentation that their ideas are good for the country generally.

The republicans know that bullshit walks and money buys bullshit speech, so the democrats saw the problem as money and sought their thirty pieces of silver, forgetting the fact that cost them trust and they were worthless at selling bullshit. The search for The One Ring is the search for power over truth, the use of cunning and psychological manipulation, the external face of self hate.

 

[Artdeco]

To those saying Bernie supporters are not voting Hillary, 78% of Bernie supporters are now voting for Hillary.

I think those numbers may be different after the email dump.

 

[fskimospy]

I think those numbers may be different after the email dump.

I bet she secures about the same percentage of Sanders voters as Obama did Hillary voters in 2008. Maybe more.

 

[ivwshane]

I think those numbers may be different after the email dump.

Nope, you are simply part of that 22%. The 22% of Bernie supporters who make trump supporters look normal. Congrats!

 

[agent00f]

If by that you mean that democrats have lost their way and proved inept both at a meaningful message and real world convincing documentation that their ideas are good for the country generally.

The republicans know that bullshit walks and money buys bullshit speech, so the democrats saw the problem as money and sought their thirty pieces of silver, forgetting the fact that cost them trust and they were worthless at selling bullshit. The search for The One Ring is the search for power over truth, the use of cunning and psychological manipulation, the external face of self hate.

The dominant anti-clinton msg right now is that she's a liar, and thereby presumably unreliable.

Of course the msg before that was she's reliably status quo, 4 more years of obama.

The latter is actually pretty accurate, but I suspect the GOP knew it wasn't going to win that argument with high presidential approval.

The democrats would do well to remind swing voters of the previous conservative message, and clinton should generally hitch her wagon to obama.

Democrats are ignoring a huge risk.
Trump could easily win big time, and democrats would never see it coming.
Reasoning?
That Brexit vote.
The establishment never seen that Brexit vote coming.
And the polls failed to predict it.
And now, over here in our own land, we could be witnessing the very same silent uprising in play.
Democrats blindsided by underestimating the anger of the electorate, and underestimating the power of the outsider.
A full on rejection of business as usual.

Comparing our election to what happened across the ocean, that carbon copy uprising could take place over here. And the polls would fail to detect it, fail to predict it, and our general assumption the same could never happen over here.
Just maybe it doesn't matter who Hillary chose as her VP running mate.
Just maybe democrats have already lost, and lost big.
And Hilary's pick of an establishment candidate such as Tim Kaine only reenforcing business as usual for the democratic ticket.

The rise of Donald Trump was a shock to nearly everyone establishment.
No one believed it would happen.
Disbelief right up the moment Donald Trump accepted the nomination.
And now, disbelief that the people would elect president Donald Trump.
Disbelief right up to the moment Hillary gives her concession speech.

Believe it? Believe it!

The biggest difference is that britain is vast majority white, so a campaign driven by xenophobia still has a reasonable chance of success. You could say the same of us given same demographics, but the US has nearly become a majority minority nation, and we're all aware what Trump's numbers with them are. Capturing 75%+ of the white male vote is rather difficult.

This will literally be a case of minorities even women saving the day.

 

[DrPizza]

I've got several hundred friends on Facebook, from both sides of the aisle, from construction workers, musicians to bankers.

If you're on Facebook, search the following:

Donald J Trump
Hillary Clinton

You can see how many of your friends like each candidate. I know I have a diverse mix of friends with varying interests, but here's what my search came back with...

43 Trump
3 Hillary

Look at the like stats overall for each candidate.

Trump likes 9,706,174
Clinton likes 4,607,414

Those stats seem to imply that assholes who fill our feeds with political messages are primarily Trump fans (not that I don't get shit from Bern Bros & Hillary fans). As I point out to people on my friends list, no one wants to get into bickering with their friends on social media about politics - keep that shit off of there. But, the Trump fans way outnumber the Hillary fans who are vocal loudmouths about their politics. 43 Trump 3 Hillary? You only have 46 friends on Facebook? Or do the majority of your friends have tact?

 

[Artdeco]

Nope, you are simply part of that 22%. The 22% of Bernie supporters who make trump supporters look normal. Congrats!

I don't support any of them, this election cycle is just a dumpster fire IMHO.

I'd just as soon see Obama behind the podium for 4 more years.

 

[DrPizza]

You didn't watch the convention. I heard many, many speakers talking about family values, including Trump's family. Find some new material. I'd tell you to listen to all the speakers, women, blacks, hispanics, etc., but you won't do it, because even if the facts are different than what you're saying, people like you are too stuck on your narrative...er, your programming. All the videos are on YouTube.

Most of your post is absolute bull shit.

Family values = get a trophy model wife, then when she's starting to show her age, dump her and replace with a new trophy model. Right? Family values and how many divorces for the lead candidate? Family values and sex outside the marriage how many times?? (Here's where you say "Bill Clinton" - but he's not the one running for President. And, Hillary apparently stuck to her vows - for better or worse, and as far as marriages goes, put up with a lot of worse.)

 

[ivwshane]

I don't support any of them, this election cycle is just a dumpster fire IMHO.

I'd just as soon see Obama behind the podium for 4 more years.

Well thanks for fueling it!

 

[WHAMPOM]

I still don't see the problem with Mrs. Clinton using a private server, it was probably more up to date and secure then any Government one as Snowden proved.

 

[compuwiz1]

Those stats seem to imply that assholes who fill our feeds with political messages are primarily Trump fans (not that I don't get shit from Bern Bros & Hillary fans). As I point out to people on my friends list, no one wants to get into bickering with their friends on social media about politics - keep that shit off of there. But, the Trump fans way outnumber the Hillary fans who are vocal loudmouths about their politics. 43 Trump 3 Hillary? You only have 46 friends on Facebook? Or do the majority of your friends have tact?

Just over 300 friends on Facebook. Most of them never post anything political, to be honest with you, so I see your point. Frankly, I rarely post anything political there myself. I get that here.

 

[DrPizza]

I still don't see the problem with Mrs. Clinton using a private server, it was probably more up to date and secure then any Government one as Snowden proved.

"OMG! She sent a package via Fed-Ex instead of USPS! Lock her up!"
Yeah, much ado about nothing.

 

[Muse]

I still don't see the problem with Mrs. Clinton using a private server, it was probably more up to date and secure then any Government one as Snowden proved.

Interesting point here, and you don't see this discussed, at least I haven't.

Also: The Repubs feign huge indignation that Hillary used her own email server and posted classified information. They expect the American public to be all up in arms about this. What could be more heinous (sarcasm) than revealing America's _biggest_ secrets? Which she did not do, BTW. AFAIK, no one can prove that her use of her email server had negative consequences other than her candidacy for the presidency suffering from opposition invective concerning it.

I also feel that the Repubs' undying blame of Hillary for the Benghazi attack is almost completely politically motivated and largely unjustified. In today's world, terrorist massacres are pretty much a dime a dozen (OK, a stretched metaphor). Is it a surprise than an American consulate/embassy suffered such an attack in the last few years given the state of this world? I don't think so, and blaming the SOS for that is reaching.

 

[Muse]

"OMG! She sent a package via Fed-Ex instead of USPS! Lock her up!"
Yeah, much ado about nothing.

Yeah, what's with this "Lock her up" stuff? I haven't seen anything that makes that slogan make sense. Are they just trying to recruit uncivil idiots to the polling place? Some people respond to that call. I do believe that Trump has made a deal with the devil.

 

[blankslate]

If that is true, it will put an exclamation point on the notion that America completely lost its way.

We already had an exclamation point on that when Bush was reelected and another when Trump was nominated.

the statement that America has lost its way was when torture became SOP for prisoners after an invasion of a country which wasn't an existential threat took place.


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[blankslate]

Perhaps you won't like the sources but here are some views about that server which suggest that it was very serious despite the recommendation for no indictment (the FBI statement seemed to indicate that serious breaches happened only intent wasn't there for indictment)

https://www.wired.com/2015/09/snowden-people-get-fired-prosecuted-hillary-clinton/

THE NSA WAS sloppy about guarding its classified secrets from Edward Snowden, but no one at the agency is in danger of being prosecuted for that security lapse. What Hillary Clinton did with her private email server, however, is criminal, says Snowden.

If any other State Department or CIA employee were using a private email server to send details about the security of embassies, as Clinton is rumored to have done, as well as sensitive meetings with private US government officials and foreign officials over unclassified email systems, “they would not only lose their jobs and lose their clearance, they would very likely face prosecution for it,” the NSA whistleblower said in an interview with Al Jazeera English.

“When the unclassified systems of the United States government, which has a full-time information security staff, regularly gets hacked, the idea that someone keeping a private server in the renovated bathroom of a server farm in Colorado, is more secure is completely ridiculous,” Snowden said, referring to the location of Clinton’s controversial email server, which had been maintained by the Denver-based company Platte River Networks, and to Clinton’s initial assertions that her server was secure and had suffered no security breaches.

Snowden is right about the punishment others would face for mishandling classified information.

Here is a youtube interview with an anonymous expert so make of it what you will
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8acghuIfLTE

Any single one of the things that she did would have gotten me fired...

Ever since this whole thing came out there is not a day that goes by in our community that someone isn't making a joke about this... uh eh Dark humor... not that it's funny *snip* the joke will be "Oh you mean I can't just e-mail this to you?" *snip* it has become the laughing stock of the intel community


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[DrPizza]

So, one pro-Trump thread says Democrats are terrified that he could be President. Another pro-Trump thread says that Democrats are complacent and don't expect him to have a chance. You Trump guys need to get together and straighten out the message you want to send.

 

[feralkid]

No tea leaves required. Hillary will handily lose by a landslide.

Rick Perry WILL be your next president.