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Bill Burr is probably never going on Rogan again ... But this is the message you need to print on tshirts, ads, banners


Rabid Dogs. Put them down.
 
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MrSquished

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The Dems really need a good solid leader to emerge like very soon to unify behind for the resistance. The problem is the leadership is clueless - Jeffries and Schumer are total useless idiots. And others in leadership positions.

They need to get behind at least a few dynamic Dems to put them forth on all media to message powerfully and rally the troops. Again the Dems fail to realize in troubling times people need to be inspired - same ole shit we were arguing when they Dem party gave us Biden 2024, and they still haven't learned. So sad.

There are good Dems in the party but the overall leadership is a joke.
 
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ondma

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MrSquished said:
Better shot would be trying to bring back Al Franken
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Especially living in Minnesota, I really liked Franken, and thought he was very intelligent and had a good grasp of what would appeal to the voters. I was very sorry to see him ousted from his seat; he got railroaded big time. He looks like a choirboy compared to a lot of the Reps in Washington now.

However, I recently (well some months ago) saw him on a talk show, I think it was the opening interview on Bill Maher, and he just seemed out of it, rambling and all over the place. I thought he would either be humorous or speak to policy, or even better, do both, but the interview was just a nothing burger. Not really funny, no real policy content, just generally made me uncomfortable to watch the entire time. Dont know if it was a bad day, or he was trying to be too funny (didn't seem to be the problem), or what, but I was shocked, surprised, and disappointed in how he came across.

Tina Smith is not running for the Senate next term, and Franken is not even being mentioned as a possible candidate so far. Too bad, I like him much more than some of the candidates mentioned. I really seems like he has lost his mojo, though, or maybe just doesn't want to get back into the cesspool of politics as they are now.

Edit: I looked it up. It was not the opening interview, but he was one of the panelists for the discussion part of the show. Anyway, my impression still stands.
 
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Indus

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ondma said:
Especially living in Minnesota, I really liked Franken, and thought he was very intelligent and had a good grasp of what would appeal to the voters. I was very sorry to see him ousted from his seat; he got railroaded big time. He looks like a choirboy compared to a lot of the Reps in Washington now.

However, I recently (well some months ago) saw him on a talk show, I think it was the opening interview on Bill Maher, and he just seemed out of it, rambling and all over the place. I thought he would either be humorous or speak to policy, or even better, do both, but the interview was just a nothing burger. Not really funny, no real policy content, just generally made me uncomfortable to watch the entire time. Dont know if it was a bad day, or he was trying to be too funny (didn't seem to be the problem), or what, but I was shocked, surprised, and disappointed in how he came across.

Tina Smith is not running for the Senate next term, and Franken is not even being mentioned as a possible candidate so far. Too bad, I like him much more than some of the candidates mentioned. I really seems like he has lost his mojo, though, or maybe just doesn't want to get back into the cesspool of politics as they are now.

Edit: I looked it up. It was not the opening interview, but he was one of the panelists for the discussion part of the show. Anyway, my impression still stands.
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Franken is what 73..

It happens with some people. They just don't care as much anymore.. only basic desires.

Sadly a part of aging.. one must stay very active to not have that downward spiral.
 
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Indus said:
Franken is what 73..

It happens with some people. They just don't care as much anymore.. only basic desires.

Sadly a part of aging.. one must stay very active to not have that downward spiral.
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Yeah he is too old now. I would have liked to see him in 2016 instead of Hilary - he would have killed Trump if he won the primary.
 
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This belongs in my CT thread but Trump would have never run if Hildabeast wasn't the front runner.

It's basically the Gary Hart thing.. GB41 would never have been Potus if there wasn't the Gary Hart implosion.
 
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MrSquished said:
Hakeem Jeffries should fucking resign these people are pathetic

Eric Adams? Really you fucking asshole.

Ken Klippenstein (@kenklippenstein.bsky.social)

Hakeem Jeffries refuses to call for Eric Adams' resignation, instead calling on Adams to show "that he has the capacity to continue to govern in the best interest of New Yorkers"
bsky.app bsky.app
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What did you expect from DEI Dems?

Did you think he could act/ talk better than Kamala?
 
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Dem speaker of the house literally ok with Dem Mayor of largest American city being in Trump's pocket (and likely prosecuted and tossed aside after he's outlived his usefulness).

Sit back and enjoy the show folks, this is how the Roman Republic fell, a bunch of Senators too far up their own asses to actually address the needs of the people.
 
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I don't know why anyone is surprised. The billionaires aren't pissed so their servants like Jeffries aren't going to be either. The Democrats are not our party, and haven't been since they swung hard right under Clinton in the early 90s.
 
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SteveGrabowski said:
I don't know why anyone is surprised. The billionaires aren't pissed so their servants like Jeffries aren't going to be either. The Democrats are not our party, and haven't been since they swung hard right under Clinton in the early 90s.
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You can look at Trump and Musk, and say Clinton was "hard right"? Seriously??
 
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ondma said:
You can look at Trump and Musk, and say Clinton was "hard right"? Seriously??
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There's more than one type of 'hard right'. Neoliberal/libertarian/globalist right != neoNazi/populist right (the former just gives rise to the latter...though there are characters who combine both - a lot of deeply racist 'libertarians' out there)
 
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There's more than one type of 'hard right'. Neoliberal/libertarian/globalist right != neoNazi/populist right (the former just gives rise to the latter...though there are characters who combine both - a lot of deeply racist 'libertarians' out there)
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Worse than that... they are Oligarchs
 
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ondma said:
You can look at Trump and Musk, and say Clinton was "hard right"? Seriously??
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What the else would you call Clinton's lasseiz faire economic agenda other than a swing hard right for the party? FFS he kept Greenspan as the head of the federal reserve. He repealed Glass-Steagall and kept giving China most favored nation trade status just like Reagan and Bush, selling out our manufacturing sector. Bill Clinton was the seed for this disaster of a Democrat party we have now.
 
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SteveGrabowski said:
What the else would you call Clinton's lasseiz faire economic agenda other than a swing hard right for the party? FFS he kept Greenspan as the head of the federal reserve. He repealed Glass-Steagall and kept giving China most favored nation trade status just like Reagan and Bush, selling out our manufacturing sector. Bill Clinton was the seed for this disaster of a Democrat party we have now.
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Clinton wasn't hard right.

The disaster of Clinton was his economic right lean which shifted the Overton window.

The left should always be challenging the the center to move left. Clinton challenged the left to move to the center.
 
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nickqt said:
Clinton wasn't hard right.

The disaster of Clinton was his economic right lean which shifted the Overton window.

The left should always be challenging the the center to move left. Clinton challenged the left to move to the center.
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Clinton was clearly hard right economically. Even socially he was pretty right wing too, eg the crime bill and the three strikes law for example.
 
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