Democratic National Convention thread

[ivwshane]

Presidential candidates should be as transparent as the electorate expects them to be. Why are tax returns but not speeches in play? Both are a measure of character. Both are a measure of what influences candidates. The exposure of either keeps candidates in check.

She probably has a Romney level sound byte in one of her speeches that aligned nicely with the narrative that Sanders sought to build.

That wishful thinking and motivated reasoning on your part but it's not reality.

 

[sportage]

Well, the balloons are all over.
Right wing balloons, lefty balloons, there all gone and done with.
I wonder how many poor kids all those balloons could have fed? Or clothed?
Balloons, balloons, balloons.
Popped, deflated, swept away by illegal alien janitors.
Damn them illegals. Damn those balloons.
If we didn't have conventions we wouldn't need balloons and thus no illegals to take away balloon sweeping from the poor unemployed Americans balloon sweepers across the nation.
My dad was a balloon sweeper for 50 years.
And my mom did this act using balloons, but we won't go into that now...

So whats next?
THE DEBATES !!!!!
Or, debate?
Or, bate and switch?
Oh boy... Can't wait!
I'd say pistols at 50 paces should do it.
Or better yet, mud wrestling in a pit of crocodiles.

 

[michal1980]

Highly inaccurate-

http://www.wsj.com/articles/hedge-f...band-suffers-losses-tied-to-greece-1423000325

Chelsea?



Just keep spreading the FUD.

what part is inaccurate?

his hedge fudge did lose 90%
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/05/11/b...-is-said-to-close-greece-hedge-fund.html?_r=0

 

[bozack]

Having watched Clintons speech in its entirety I will say for her it was good but still she is not a very dynamic speaker, at times she was shrill and that face/laugh can be downright scary.

Was surprised/not surprised that she brought up the sanderclaus free college bit, hard to imagine she was being genuine with that and it wasn't just an attempt to entice his supporters.

It seems like a clunky, typical promise everything, claim to be for the working person, liberal democrat speech..."I am for the workers, the NRA is bad but I am not after your Guns, Tax the wealthy and make them pair their fair share, free shit" ....what made it notable was it was delivered by the first woman presidential nominee.

And there were what seemed like a ton of digs at Trump, which was surprising to me as I figured she would attempt to rise above that, guess not.

It was sad but watching Bill's facial expressions on the big screen just made him seem old and goofy and or senile and Kane just seemed creepy when he came out on stage with her after the speech.

I wish I had bothered to watch Chelsea's speech but from the clips I saw it seemed OK, just she is not apparently used to public speaking and it appeared to come off as such.

Overall nothing amazing or shocking, again it was a typical stump speech, only made notable by the fact she is the first woman nominee.

 

[LegendKiller]

Uh, besides Japan being one country, there is really an overwhelming consensus that one of Japan's primary problems economically is not enough immigrants of at least some sort in combination with a low birth rate. Basically the reason Japan doesn't have more immigrants appears to be social and limitations with absorbing them presumably combined with domestic politics. The US doesn't have to end up going the same route.

It should not noted that Trump's budget plans would clearly in reality massively increase the rate of debt increase and amount of debt, so Hillary is indisputably the far better candidate from a perspective of coming closer to some degree of fiscal conservatism. While there certainly can still be concerns with her plans from a debt perspective, her budget plan details start simply far closer to being realistic in terms of government revenue versus government spending.

Japan's *only* problem is low birth rate. Immigration is said to be a solution to that.

 

[fskimospy]

See my edit "years and year".

IIRC, the US debt went down after WWII and of course, our economy after WWII was booming big time because Europe and Asia and very much everywhere else were in ruins.

This is a common misconception about the causes of US growth after WW2. Trade was a small percentage of GDP, and it stayed about the same after the war until long after Europe has recovered.

More importantly as a logic experiment, how would this work? Did the US expand so much after WW2 because nobody was there to import to us? If lack of imports drove growth we should become like North Korea and not trade with anyone. Problem solved! Or was it that we could export everywhere without competition and that drove growth? In that case, a Europe that's too destroyed to make factories to compete with us is also too poor to buy our exports. It just doesn't make sense.

 

[vi edit]

Chelsea's intro did little for me. I'm not female and/or a mother/daughter so the string tugs they were getting at didn't hit me. And most of story telling didn't do anything to change any character opinions I had. The Morgan Freeman narrative was sort of cool even though the audio sync was was screwed up over my broadcast feed.

Hillary is not a great orator. We all knew that and she didn't do anything to change it. She just is not a captivating speaker and has the stage presence charm that Barack or Bill had. Truth is that I don't need a slick tongue in oval office. I just want someone with rational decisions and the ability to negotiate when needed. That I think she is capable of.

I thought she did a great job attacking Trump on his personality flaws and how his message of "I alone" is a massive joke. She banged the democratic drum and rallied around the party platform. Call it a stump or predictable, but she did make her party message clear. It will cost her the fence sitters that wanted a reason to jump from Trump. But I do think she will get back some of the Bernie supporters to make up for it.

I'm interested to see these two go to the debates.

 

[LegendKiller]

This is a common misconception about the causes of US growth after WW2. Trade was a small percentage of GDP, and it stayed about the same after the war until long after Europe has recovered.

More importantly as a logic experiment, how would this work? Did the US expand so much after WW2 because nobody was there to import to us? If lack of imports drove growth we should become like North Korea and not trade with anyone. Problem solved! Or was it that we could export everywhere without competition and that drove growth? In that case, a Europe that's too destroyed to make factories to compete with us is also too poor to buy our exports. It just doesn't make sense.

Or we should realize that we shouldn't unlock our doors while everybody keeps theirs locked and proceeds to rob us also, while we let them do it freely.

How much protectionism, state support for SOEs (and non-SOEs), preferred financing access, non-access, or tariff based protectionism goes on in the countries that you target for "free trade" that isn't offered reciprocal protectionism back?

The rest of the world doesn't give a fuck about your Good Guy (tm) "free market" bullshit - in fact, they laugh at it. They know you're just a sellout and they love you for it. Americans, you can pay a few to sell out the many for the price of a nice car.

This is why Libertopians are fucking morons. It assumes that the rest of the world plays by the same rules and eliminates human fallibility or motivation. It looks at "free trade" in a vacuum.

I am more than willing to sign up for 100% of all "free trade" agreements provided they allow reciprocal tariff agreements up to the amount of ill-begotten gains from such things as SOEs, currency manipulation...etc.

Surely you have no problem protecting our workers from the worst of state-sponsored abuses????

 

[FerrelGeek]

I managed to not see any of the convention. I win.

 

[fskimospy]

Or we should realize that we shouldn't unlock our doors while everybody keeps theirs locked and proceeds to rob us also, while we let them do it freely.

How much protectionism, state support for SOEs (and non-SOEs), preferred financing access, non-access, or tariff based protectionism goes on in the countries that you target for "free trade" that isn't offered reciprocal protectionism back?

The rest of the world doesn't give a fuck about your Good Guy (tm) "free market" bullshit - in fact, they laugh at it. They know you're just a sellout and they love you for it. Americans, you can pay a few to sell out the many for the price of a nice car.

This is why Libertopians are fucking morons. It assumes that the rest of the world plays by the same rules and eliminates human fallibility or motivation. It looks at "free trade" in a vacuum.

Literally nothing you wrote there is right. You act like the US is some helpless patsy at the bad end of countless trade deals, like we don't have trade protectionism of our own, and like our trade agreements don't give us the power to remove those barriers in other countries.

This reminds me of yet another incredibly stupid thing Trump said the other day, that withdrawing from the WTO was a good idea. Does he not realize the WTO is the vehicle through which we remove protectionist policies in other countries all the time and that by withdrawing we would lose that power? What a fucking moron.

There has never been a candidate for president that knows less than this clown. I feel like they probably keep him purposefully away from economics textbooks because they are afraid he will hurt himself.

 

[Zstream]

I managed to not see any of the convention. I win.

+1

 

[Sonikku]

I didn't watch either. I already made up my mind on this race long before the conventions even began, so why bother? The rest was just fluff stuff.

 

[Jhhnn]

what part is inaccurate?

his hedge fudge did lose 90%
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/05/11/b...-is-said-to-close-greece-hedge-fund.html?_r=0

One of the funds under management, not the larger hedge fund operation itself.

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

I managed to not see any of the convention. I win.

I only watched 5-10 minutes of Hillary's speech last night and regret it. That woman is creepy as hell. You did indeed win.

 

[pauldun170]

Foxnews cuts away from Father talking about U.S. Army Captain Humayun Khan?

https://twitter.com/danschoenmn/status/758833725387837440
http://www.joemygod.com/2016/07/29/...slim-dad-killed-us-soldier-grieves-dnc-video/

 

[LegendKiller]

Literally nothing you wrote there is right. You act like the US is some helpless patsy at the bad end of countless trade deals, like we don't have trade protectionism of our own, and like our trade agreements don't give us the power to remove those barriers in other countries.

This reminds me of yet another incredibly stupid thing Trump said the other day, that withdrawing from the WTO was a good idea. Does he not realize the WTO is the vehicle through which we remove protectionist policies in other countries all the time and that by withdrawing we would lose that power? What a fucking moron.

There has never been a candidate for president that knows less than this clown. I feel like they probably keep him purposefully away from economics textbooks because they are afraid he will hurt himself.

Yeah, nothing is right, which is why obama finally moved to stop SOE dumping of Chinese steel.

Dude you're a fucking moron. Everything I said was correct and you just stick to your globalist talking points.

If you love being a traitor to the us so much, go move somewhere else.

 

[LegendKiller]

Foxnews cuts away from Father talking about U.S. Army Captain Humayun Khan?

https://twitter.com/danschoenmn/status/758833725387837440
http://www.joemygod.com/2016/07/29/...slim-dad-killed-us-soldier-grieves-dnc-video/

Because trump says he hates all muslims.
This is the idiocy of the left, whatever he says, they make it a race issue and polarize it

Want to stop illegal immigration = you hate all immigrants.

Want to stop radical islam immigration = you hate all muslims.

 

[echo4747]

Bubba falls asleep during Hillarys speech last nite. I think Kaine iis aware of it too:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yPbUhcvDgCo

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

Outside the DNC. I thought the response to Hillary breaking the glass ceiling said it best...establishment democrats are tone deaf. All lot of people are hurting and catching on to the empty pantsuit rhetoric.

https://youtu.be/L_T749zVYhQ

 

[LegendKiller]

One of the funds under management, not the larger hedge fund operation itself.

Yeah, it's just 22.5mm. And the rest of the funds underperforming.

 

[Doc Savage Fan]

Dude you're a fucking moron. Everything I said was correct and you just stick to your globalist talking points.

Careful, I called him a 'fucking weasel' the other day and got an informal warning. fskimospy has friends here.

(Highlight added.) You simply cannot comment on moderator actions in outside of Mod Discussions, especially to hint at bias.

Perknose
Forum Director

 

[zinfamous]

Here's the empty seats :

Here's a video during Hillary's speech :

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zGRo1mH2_8w

I still can't figure out what is going on in this photo. I suppose that because the physical stage in that image miraculously disappears into some wormhole, reappearing into some god-knows-where corner of the unknown universe, that must be projected on the jumbotron in the arena?

That's probably the jumbotron--but why is the photo cropped like it is at the bottom and sides? That seems unnecessary, especially if you are trying to submit this as evidence of something happening at the moment the photo is taken. Otherwise, it is just as easy to say that the sparse seating in that corner of the arena was taken earlier in the day as people were filling in or moseying about the arena for lunch or a piss break, and the right half of the photo with Clinton speaking is chopped in.

 

[zinfamous]

Because trump says he hates all muslims.
This is the idiocy of the left, whatever he says, they make it a race issue and polarize it

Want to stop illegal immigration = you hate all immigrants.

Want to stop radical islam immigration = you hate all muslims.

Interesting, because Trump actually wants to stop all muslim immigration, BUT ONLY TEMPORARILY! right? Why are you changing his words for him.

Also, all Mexicans are criminals and rapists--er, I mean some of them, OK? Some of them are OK, but many of them are criminals and rapists!

Guess what? Many proud WASPS are also criminals and rapists. Isn't that nuts? And you know what--guess how many more WASPS are criminals and rapists compared to illegal immigrants?

You will hate that number, because it will inform you (lol--informed by facts. that's rich!) that legal white people are actually a greater threat to your safety....since you know, you like to be swayed by numbers, right?

Now you're going to accuse me of being a BLM-sympathizer that wants to kill whitey!

 

[pauldun170]

Chelsea's intro did little for me. I'm not female and/or a mother/daughter so the string tugs they were getting at didn't hit me. And most of story telling didn't do anything to change any character opinions I had. The Morgan Freeman narrative was sort of cool even though the audio sync was was screwed up over my broadcast feed.

Hillary is not a great orator. We all knew that and she didn't do anything to change it. She just is not a captivating speaker and has the stage presence charm that Barack or Bill had. Truth is that I don't need a slick tongue in oval office. I just want someone with rational decisions and the ability to negotiate when needed. That I think she is capable of.

I thought she did a great job attacking Trump on his personality flaws and how his message of "I alone" is a massive joke. She banged the democratic drum and rallied around the party platform. Call it a stump or predictable, but she did make her party message clear. It will cost her the fence sitters that wanted a reason to jump from Trump. But I do think she will get back some of the Bernie supporters to make up for it.

I'm interested to see these two go to the debates.

I haven't watched the conventions but my wife has been glued to the TV for both. As a result I've gotten bits and pieces of speeches.

I did see about 5 minutes of Hillary's speech and I agree on her being a mediocre public speaker. We're coming from Obama who was a very good public speaker and it's going to be a challenge for anyone to compare...

But damn Hillary needs a voice coach or some sort of regimen to prepare for reading prepared speeches. From what I saw last night, it seemed like she received the speech 20 minutes prior.

 

[Jaskalas]

Japan's *only* problem is low birth rate. Immigration is said to be a solution to that.

Ponzi scheme economies... requiring indefinite growth on a finite planet. What could possibly go wrong? Immigration is not an economic solution but rather an economic quick fix to delay an inevitable reckoning.

It's the same as Bernie Madoff drawing in fresh victims.
And it's absolutely the worst thing you can do for the environment.