Democratic National Convention thread

[Perknose]

Great argument bro, keep sucking down on that DNC fear.

It wasn't an argument, burger boy. I simply stated a fact. If you really can't tell the difference, it's time for you to suck it up and lose the lard from your thinking. No one likes a fathead.

 

[LegendKiller]

Thanks to Bernie, their nominated candidate now opposes it. And she's gonna be President. Madame President. Better get used to it. 😎

Did you actually read the platform? Tpp is not opposed. It has some conditions but those will be ignored. Bernie whored himself out like the rest.

 

[Ns1]

Bernie whored himself out like the rest.

what a team player :thumbsup:

 

[LegendKiller]

what a team player

Yup. At the end of the day, hillbilly will get another one sided trade deal that will fuck the middle class more. Great job bernie.

 

[Jhhnn]

It's literally an emotional appeal using the fear a child has of her mother being deported. There are plenty of other ways at attacking Trump's immigration policies that don't involve bringing a child and her illegal immigrant mother onto a stage. Even if the emotional element is considered an important part of Clinton's positions, you can say "Deporting illegal immigrants will result in many children becoming wards of the state" or something along those lines rather than bringing an emotional child out.

Why? Is reality too harsh? Abstraction & depersonalization too easy an alternative?

Each and every baby born in this country is a citizen *by definition*. The 14th amendment lays it out as black letter law. It's been that way for almost 150 years.

As a nation, we have obligations to those children, the first of which is to treat them with equanimity. That really extends to not deporting any of their parents because of residency status. I think American children, all of them, should have that right. They're ours & we should do the best we can for all of them.

Too easy, huh?

 

[flexy]

"Bernie Sanders is the greatest candidate we ever had and we're proud of what he did for the democratic party."
[85% of people in the audience cheering for Sanders]
"Therefore, we give 10 votes to Bernie Sanders and 90 to Hilary Clinton"

This sums up this waste of time I just witnessed on TV. Bizarre and sad.

 

[Jaskalas]

I was watching it live when Rep. Nydia Velazquez had a moment where mentioning the "global economy" makes it sound certain that Hillary stands by TPP. It caught my attention.

Of course, that could also be because Hillary has consistently stood firm on it... until Bernie Sanders became a bigger issue. Now that he has been pushed aside, look for Wall Street special interests to take root and control the Democrat nominee.

Democrats stand by selling America to multinational corps if they vote for Hillary Clinton.

45 times Secretary Clinton pushed the trade bill

 

[Jhhnn]

Yeah, same with hillary "goldstandard, uranium, gold mining, Africa dictator supporting, for profit school funding, grifter" Clinton. But she says she hates tpp, she doesn't hurt countries like haiti, wants to give away school, and takes no bribes. She is far worse than trump.

Congratulations. That's one of the most incoherent rants you've ever posted. A real gem.

 

[LegendKiller]

Why? Is reality too harsh? Abstraction & depersonalization too easy an alternative?

Each and every baby born in this country is a citizen *by definition*. The 14th amendment lays it out as black letter law. It's been that way for almost 150 years.

As a nation, we have obligations to those children, the first of which is to treat them with equanimity. That really extends to not deporting any of their parents because of residency status. I think American children, all of them, should have that right. They're ours & we should do the best we can for all of them.

Too easy, huh?

Since you love that policy and want it to continue and want more to come I expect you to take care of your children. You should immediately surrender all of your earnings to pay for them, since you love them so much.

 

[LegendKiller]

Congratulations. That's one of the most incoherent rants you've ever posted. A real gem.

It highlighted your stupidity in saying trump says one thing and does another. Your candidate does the exact same thing.

 

[agent00f]

If they're illegal immigrants, who is the child going to be left with? By the definition of the law it's impossible to have illegal immigrant parents leaving children with legal immigrant grandparents, unless maybe there's some weird exception involving the stripping of ones citizenship. Is it common that you have mom/dad are illegal, aunt/uncle are legal, and the child would be able to be left with other family? That doesn't sound like a very common scenario. For one, I'd assume that if the aunt/uncle were granted American citizenship legitimately, either they had already been here a long time on visa and were granted amnesty, or they had gone through the official legal routes, which would make me wonder what happened with the parents in the first place to miss that. Additionally, while I know the US is weird in how it handles immigrants from Mexico vs most of the rest of the world, educated/wealthy ones usually get fast-tracked, which in this scenario means that the uncle/aunt are successful but the father/mother were not, in order for the "Better life in America" thing to apply, which should also be a minority situation (close families are usually of similar socioeconomic standing). So until I see some numbers explaining that the vast majority of cases involve little girls being removed from their parents and forced to live with creepy Uncle Pedro, I'm going to call it fear-mongering.

If someone's been in the US long enough to raise kids to some age, it's not uncommon that they had or developed some sort of support network. For example it might well be other illegal immigrants or whatever they have some implicit pact with.

Regardless, this requirement for "vast majority of cases" is odd since I'm pretty sure nobody ever made that claim in the first place.

 

[Svnla]

Why? Is reality too harsh? Abstraction & depersonalization too easy an alternative?

Each and every baby born in this country is a citizen *by definition*. The 14th amendment lays it out as black letter law. It's been that way for almost 150 years.

As a nation, we have obligations to those children, the first of which is to treat them with equanimity. That really extends to not deporting any of their parents because of residency status. I think American children, all of them, should have that right. They're ours & we should do the best we can for all of them.

Too easy, huh?

How about her family and million and million of ILLEGALS follow immigration law and enter the US LEGALLY as million and million of LEGALS have been doing?

Too easy, huh?

 

[michal1980]

New slogan: Bernie Sanders, classier than Ted Cruz!

Berine Sanders: Old Phony.

 

[Ns1]

How about her family and million and million of ILLEGALS follow immigration law and enter the US LEGALLY as million and million of LEGALS have been doing?

Too easy, huh?

While that would be ideal, that's not the reality of the situation, so address the reality of the situation:

Deport the illegal parents of legal american kids, or don't deport them.

 

[michal1980]

Thanks to Bernie, their nominated candidate now opposes it. And she's gonna be President. Madame President. Better get used to it. 😎

She does not opposes it.

 

[LegendKiller]

She does not opposes it.

I just have to laugh at bernie supporters, or anybody, who honestly think she opposes it. Either they are just stupid or willfully ignorant.

 

[Svnla]

While that would be ideal, that's not the reality of the situation, so address the reality of the situation:

Deport the illegal parents of legal american kids, or don't deport them.

Well, millions of LEGALS are doing it the right way so don't tell me it can't be done but the ILLEGALS do not want to follow the law and now they have the nerve to bitch and moan about the consequences of their OWN doing?

Get rid of the ILLEGALS by any mean necessary. No more amnesty. Oh, I forgot to use the code words of "comprehensive immigration reform". LOL

As I said before, let apply immigration rules and laws equally to ALL, not just a selective few.

 

[michal1980]

While that would be ideal, that's not the reality of the situation, so address the reality of the situation:

Deport the illegal parents of legal american kids, or don't deport them.

Democrats answer:

Legalize them so they vote for us. So what that they broke our laws, so what that the lowered wages, so what they caused Americans to be unemployed, so what they cost tax payers money. These people must be rewarded, and put on the voter rolls.

 

[agent00f]

Yup. At the end of the day, hillbilly will get another one sided trade deal that will fuck the middle class more. Great job bernie.

It's odd how TPP can be a one-sided deal when all participants at the table get more or less what they want.

Also never thought I'd see the day when free market conservatives would accuse democrats of capitalism.

 

[Ns1]

Get rid of the ILLEGALS by any mean necessary. No more amnesty. Oh, I forgot to use the code words of "comprehensive immigration reform". LOL

so your stance is to deport the illegal parents of legal american kids, leaving the kids to go to foster care, relatives, or back to [whatever country their parents are from].

Nothing wrong with that, just want to be sure what your stance is.

 

[LegendKiller]

It's odd how TPP can be a one-sided deal when all participants at the table get more or less what they want.

Also never thought I'd see the day when free market conservatives would accuse democrats of capitalism.

Do they? The us gives up more, always has, always will.

Does tpp solve for SOEs? Environmental and work conditions? Currency manipulation? If it doesn't, and if the countries are not free markets, those all put us companies at a massive disadvantage and fuck our country. No thanks.

 

[Svnla]

so your stance is to deport the illegal parents of legal american kids.

Nothing wrong with that, just want to be sure what your stance is.

My stance is very simple. Apply immigration rules and laws EQUALLY to ALL. Period. Whatever the consequences of the rules and laws, so be it.


Let get it straight. The ILLEGALS are reaping the consequences of their ILLEGAL deeds and I do not want to listen to their whining and bitching about "whoooaaaa, don't break up our families".

Let put it this way. Billy is a member of this site and he broke rules and is about to be kick out/ban. So is it correct for him to bitch and moan and whine about how mean and nasty the administration of this site or is it the price/consequence he will have to pay for by not follow the rules? Just saying

 

[Ns1]

My stance is very simple. Apply immigration rules and laws EQUALLY to ALL. Period.

I get what you're saying, but you're still not answering the question: what do you do with the legal American kids?

 

[Svnla]

I get what you're saying, but you're still not answering the question: what do you do with the legal American kids?

You did not see my edit above so here it is. "Whatever the consequences of the rules and laws, so be it."

I do not claim to be very smart but I know that if you do the same thing over and over again (amnesty for ILLEGALS) and expect different result (less ILLEGALS) = crazy and stupid and beyond insane.

 

[Ns1]

You did not see my edit above so here it is. "Whatever the consequences of the rules and laws, so be it."

I do not claim to be very smart but I know that if you do the same thing over and over again (amnesty for ILLEGALS) and expect different result (less ILLEGALS) = crazy and stupid and beyond insane.

I definitely see your viewpoint, but [for me] it seems like a net negative to society to have orphan kids in America because we decided to deport their parents. [To me] it would be far cheaper to turn their parents into productive members of society, instead of orphaning their kids and hoping for the best.