Democratic McAuliffe takes Virginia

[fskimospy]

On another note is it illegal to have a plant in a race to sway voters whose support comes from an opposing party?

This has nothing to do with the outcome or McAullife just asking, apparently he had nothing to do with it.

Depends on what you mean about 'plant'.

The only time this is illegal that I know if is if the candidate running as the 'spoiler' is not actually running in good faith but as an agent of one of the other candidates. That would be fraud at least in the states that I'm aware of. I think there was someone in Arizona who recently had an issue with that, however I can't remember their name. (like the 'third party' person used to work on his campaign staff or something like that)

Generally though unless you have really strong proof that the person isn't running in good faith that's almost impossible to prove. Also, it usually isn't necessary. It's possible to find someone with nearly any political position no matter how crazy, as this board shows quite frequently.

 

[theeedude]

Or maybe people are sick of the one party system we've got running the country? 7% is a nice chunk of voters who actually stepped out of line and voted for liberty.

That is good line. People deserve choices, we need to make sure they get them

 

[hal2kilo]

This was Ken Cuccinelli's race to lose.. all he needed to do was come a little bit to the middle but he went the other way and totally alienated the NOVA voters. He even lost Loudoun County - no chance after that..Sad indeed

Thanks bros. Still have family back there. They are sane so I know who they voted for.

 

[TreVader]

Virginia is just the beginning. Every insane candidate the Tea Party puts up is going to be knocked down. McAuliffe was DEEPLY flawed and he still won in a state that by all rights he shouldn't have.


The GOP better get their right wing in line or they're done. If they keep letting the Tea Party hold them hostage by threatening to primary every marginally intelligent and practical candidate they're going to make you a minority party in the House and the Governorships before long.

The country is moving toward the center, and it appears the only ones who understand that are the Democrats. Every year the GOP drifts further right, and every year they do worse and worse in any election they haven't already won by they're gerrymandered districts.

 

[Anarchist420]

Depends on what you mean about 'plant'. The only time this is illegal that I know if is if the candidate running as the 'spoiler' is not actually running in good faith but as an agent of one of the other candidates. That would be fraud at least in the states that I'm aware of. I think there was someone in Arizona who recently had an issue with that, however I can't remember their name. (like the 'third party' person used to work on his campaign staff or something like that) Generally though unless you have really strong proof that the person isn't running in good faith that's almost impossible to prove. Also, it usually isn't necessary. It's possible to find someone with nearly any political position no matter how crazy, as this board shows quite frequently.

he was running as an agent of mcauliffe's superpac, it was pretty obvious that sarvis was a tool and not a libertarian... i actually saw him answer questions during which he seemed to me to be uncomfortable, he gave lousy answers, and he said he would have a uniform consumption tax.

 

[Lithium381]

he was running as an agent of mcauliffe's superpac, it was pretty obvious that sarvis was a tool and not a libertarian... i actually saw him answer questions during which he seemed to me to be uncomfortable, he gave lousy answers, and he said he would have a uniform consumption tax.

Weird, he seemed to do okay on social issues, but then faltered on fiscal issues. . . so he'd have hurt McAuliffe more with that platform. . . why would they have supported him, then?

 

[Lithium381]

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/files/...Page_1105.html?SITE=VARITELN&SECTION=POLITICS

According to the results there, Libertarians earned approx 5% of the vote in 3-way races, and 22% when it was a 2-way race. Similar pattern for other Independents/3rd-party.

 

[werepossum]

Weird, he seemed to do okay on social issues, but then faltered on fiscal issues. . . so he'd have hurt McAuliffe more with that platform. . . why would they have supported him, then?

Libertarian candidates appeal to both sides and repel both sides, depending on the issue. Where you have one candidate who is more rigidly doctrinaire, doesn't it make sense that had the Libertarian not been in the race his voters would tend to vote for the other guy? If a voter is willing to cross party lines, then a candidate who is more party line is bound to be less attractive.

Regardless, northern Virginia is becoming ever more populated with refugees from liberal states intent of turning Virginia into the same paradise they fled. Hard to see how the Pubbies carry Virginia from now on.

 

[boomerang]

Virginia is just the beginning. Every insane candidate the Tea Party puts up is going to be knocked down. McAuliffe was DEEPLY flawed and he still won in a state that by all rights he shouldn't have.


The GOP better get their right wing in line or they're done. If they keep letting the Tea Party hold them hostage by threatening to primary every marginally intelligent and practical candidate they're going to make you a minority party in the House and the Governorships before long.

The country is moving toward the center, and it appears the only ones who understand that are the Democrats. Every year the GOP drifts further right, and every year they do worse and worse in any election they haven't already won by they're gerrymandered districts.

Your newsletter, I want it.

 

[nextJin]

Virginia is just the beginning. Every insane candidate the Tea Party puts up is going to be knocked down. McAuliffe was DEEPLY flawed and he still won in a state that by all rights he shouldn't have.


The GOP better get their right wing in line or they're done. If they keep letting the Tea Party hold them hostage by threatening to primary every marginally intelligent and practical candidate they're going to make you a minority party in the House and the Governorships before long.

The country is moving toward the center, and it appears the only ones who understand that are the Democrats. Every year the GOP drifts further right, and every year they do worse and worse in any election they haven't already won by they're gerrymandered districts.

He was outspent by 15 million dollars and almost lost....

 

[fskimospy]

He was outspent by 15 million dollars and almost lost....

There's little evidence that money matters in elections beyond a certain point. The 2012 election is a good example, as is Meg Whitman's candidacy. If a candidate is seriously underfunded and is unable to effectively organize and broadcast their message it seems like that is a BIG liability. Once both candidates reach that level it seems as if it doesn't matter much.

People who flip out about Citizens United and how it's going to give the Republicans the presidency have it all wrong IMO. It seems like that decision is a much larger advantage at the small local level.

 

[berzerker60]

Libertarian candidates appeal to both sides and repel both sides, depending on the issue. Where you have one candidate who is more rigidly doctrinaire, doesn't it make sense that had the Libertarian not been in the race his voters would tend to vote for the other guy? If a voter is willing to cross party lines, then a candidate who is more party line is bound to be less attractive.

Regardless, northern Virginia is becoming ever more populated with refugees from liberal states intent of turning Virginia into the same paradise they fled. Hard to see how the Pubbies carry Virginia from now on.

People moving to take up jobs in defense, government, lobbying/think tanks, or the many other offshoots of DC being nearby are hardly 'refugees' 'fleeing' anywhere, but they are indeed going to have a growing impact on statewide elections. That still doesn't change that at worst, the attorney general race is extremely close and McDonnell blew out his competition for governor just a few years ago, showing that half-sane GOP candidates can still do quite well. The GOP could have walked away with a huge win for Governor Bill Bolling this year, too, if it wasn't so insistent on doubling down on drinking the tea. Alternately, any generic candidate who didn't actively drive away women would have crushed McAuliffe.

 

[Lithium381]

People moving to take up jobs in defense, government, lobbying/think tanks, or the many other offshoots of DC being nearby are hardly 'refugees' 'fleeing' anywhere, but they are indeed going to have a growing impact on statewide elections. That still doesn't change that at worst, the attorney general race is extremely close and McDonnell blew out his competition for governor just a few years ago, showing that half-sane GOP candidates can still do quite well. The GOP could have walked away with a huge win for Governor Bill Bolling this year, too, if it wasn't so insistent on doubling down on drinking the tea. Alternately, any generic candidate who didn't actively drive away women would have crushed McAuliffe.

http://cnsnews.com/news/article/ter...t-mcauliffe-51-42-among-women-who-are-married

shows that married women tended to like Cucinelli more by about 9 points, whereas unmarried women liked McAuliffe more, but by a MUCH larger margin.

 

[ivwshane]

Regardless, northern Virginia is becoming ever more populated with refugees from- liberal states intent of turning Virginia into the same paradise they fled. Hard to see how the Pubbies carry Virginia from now on.

I know that every time I or my friends or colleagues have moved they look at the political make up of the state or city and if it's conservative they will move there. Their intent, of course, is to change their new home from conservative to liberal!

/s


Do you have any idea how fucking crazy you sound? Like scary crazy!

 

[werepossum]

I know that every time I or my friends or colleagues have moved they look at the political make up of the state or city and if it's conservative they will move there. Their intent, of course, is to change their new home from conservative to liberal!

/s

Do you have any idea how fucking crazy you sound? Like scary crazy!

My point wasn't that they move to change the political make up of the state. They generally move to follow the jobs. My point was that once they settle in, they then proceed to vote in people who promise to establish the same policies that made the jobs flee their previous homes. They didn't move with the motivation of making their new city into Detroit or Compton, but having moved there they will insist on the same conditions that turned successful cities into Detroit or Compton.

 

[ivwshane]

My point wasn't that they move to change the political make up of the state. They generally move to follow the jobs. My point was that once they settle in, they then proceed to vote in people who promise to establish the same policies that made the jobs flee their previous homes. They didn't move with the motivation of making their new city into Detroit or Compton, but having moved there they will insist on the same conditions that turned successful cities into Detroit or Compton.

Lol! Even better! Liberals don't come from successful cities? Or there are no successful liberal cities?

You sir are nuts! Any more retarded over generalizations you want to post?

 

[hal2kilo]

My point wasn't that they move to change the political make up of the state. They generally move to follow the jobs. My point was that once they settle in, they then proceed to vote in people who promise to establish the same policies that made the jobs flee their previous homes. They didn't move with the motivation of making their new city into Detroit or Compton, but having moved there they will insist on the same conditions that turned successful cities into Detroit or Compton.

Damn they've discovered our secret template for destroying society as we know it.

All is lost!

 

[werepossum]

Lol! Even better! Liberals don't come from successful cities? Or there are no successful liberal cities?

You sir are nuts! Any more retarded over generalizations you want to post?

Not much reason to flee successful cities, so presumably liberals who move to red states are from failing cities, no?

Damn they've discovered our secret template for destroying society as we know it.

All is lost!

LOL I'm on to you guys.

 

[ivwshane]

Not much reason to flee successful cities, so presumably liberals who move to red states are from failing cities, no?


LOL I'm on to you guys.

Nope! If the city is successful people, individuals, have no reason to move!

Brilliant! What other insight can you offer up that is also black OR white?

If your post doesn't smell like crap then it must smell like roses!

 

[hotrod72]

My take is that the country is moving "left", and if the GOP or Tea Party were to move that way for more success at the polls, why should they even exist? If all you want is political power, and the other guys views are more popular, then just join him! We've seen those who jump from one party to another and recognize that they are usually just ambitious politicians fickle enough to take any position and say anything to get into office. Don't be false in order to be accepted, stand for what you believe. If you believe in the ideas of the Dems, be with them! We the People ought to struggle to discover and embrace the ideals and principles that we need to be a successful people, not just play a game called politics .

 

[fskimospy]

My take is that the country is moving "left", and if the GOP or Tea Party were to move that way for more success at the polls, why should they even exist? If all you want is political power, and the other guys views are more popular, then just join him! We've seen those who jump from one party to another and recognize that they are usually just ambitious politicians fickle enough to take any position and say anything to get into office. Don't be false in order to be accepted, stand for what you believe. If you believe in the ideas of the Dems, be with them! We the People ought to struggle to discover and embrace the ideals and principles that we need to be a successful people, not just play a game called politics .

Because politics is a continuous spectrum. There are many positions for the Republican Party to occupy that are to the right of the democrats but to the left of where they are now. In fact, the Republican Party has moved dramatically to the right over the last few decades, far more than the democrats have moved left.

There is an opportunity of moderation and electoral success, the republicans just have to take it.

 

[fskimospy]

Nope! If the city is successful people, individuals, have no reason to move!

Brilliant! What other insight can you offer up that is also black OR white?

If your post doesn't smell like crap then it must smell like roses!

Considering San Francisco and New York are among the wealthiest and most successful cities on the planet I guess that means nobody ever moves out of them.

Wait, what.

 

[Fern]

Will be somewhat interesting to see how a bag man for lobbyists handles holding an office.

Fern

 

[cubby1223]

I know that every time I or my friends or colleagues have moved they look at the political make up of the state or city and if it's conservative they will move there. Their intent, of course, is to change their new home from conservative to liberal!

/s


Do you have any idea how fucking crazy you sound? Like scary crazy!

I cannot recall you ever making a post where you're not being an arrogant ass putting words into people's mouths they've never said.

Maybe you have intelligence outside of this forum, but damn you never display even a glimmer of it here.

Your summary is not what he said, and you know it.

 

[ivwshane]

I cannot recall you ever making a post where you're not being an arrogant ass putting words into people's mouths they've never said.

Maybe you have intelligence outside of this forum, but damn you never display even a glimmer of it here.

Your summary is not what he said, and you know it.

Thanks but he clarified his post and it was equally dumb.


You mad bro?!