Democracy Taking Root in Iraq

[BaliBabyDoc]

CNN

The concept of democracy appears to have taken root in the dusty town of Karma, a predominantly Sunni community just north of Falluja - the city at the center of fierce fighting last year.

Although most say they don't know who the candidates are or where to go to vote, they say they will vote come January 30 -- for a variety of candidates for a variety of reasons.

At least Diebold gave us the semblance of democracy . . . the Iraq vote is a farce. Granted, it's highly unlikely that country will be secure any time soon so I guess there's no reason to delay the election. Regardless, it appears "democracy" is on the long slide into the Bushism abyss of words that no longer mean what you read in Webster's.

 

[glenn1]

At least Diebold gave us the semblance of democracy . . . the Iraq vote is a farce. Granted, it's highly unlikely that country will be secure any time soon so I guess there's no reason to delay the election. Regardless, it appears "democracy" is on the long slide into the Bushism abyss of words that no longer mean what you read in Webster's.

So I suppose that means you're arguing that elections should not be held. Ever hear the expression "the perfect is the enemy of the good" ?

 

[Kadarin]

So what would YOU prefer? An authoritarian Islamist theocracy?

 

[raildogg]

Originally posted by: BaliBabyDoc
CNN

The concept of democracy appears to have taken root in the dusty town of Karma, a predominantly Sunni community just north of Falluja - the city at the center of fierce fighting last year.

Although most say they don't know who the candidates are or where to go to vote, they say they will vote come January 30 -- for a variety of candidates for a variety of reasons.

At least Diebold gave us the semblance of democracy . . . the Iraq vote is a farce. Granted, it's highly unlikely that country will be secure any time soon so I guess there's no reason to delay the election. Regardless, it appears "democracy" is on the long slide into the Bushism abyss of words that no longer mean what you read in Webster's.

You just wish with all your heart that this Iraqi election fails. You are the enemy of the Iraqi elections. There are many candidates and many people around the world are FOR THE FIRST TIME, participating in a election in Iraq.

Pray all you want that it fails, it wont.

 

[umbrella39]

Originally posted by: raildogg

Originally posted by: BaliBabyDoc
CNN

The concept of democracy appears to have taken root in the dusty town of Karma, a predominantly Sunni community just north of Falluja - the city at the center of fierce fighting last year.

Although most say they don't know who the candidates are or where to go to vote, they say they will vote come January 30 -- for a variety of candidates for a variety of reasons.

At least Diebold gave us the semblance of democracy . . . the Iraq vote is a farce. Granted, it's highly unlikely that country will be secure any time soon so I guess there's no reason to delay the election. Regardless, it appears "democracy" is on the long slide into the Bushism abyss of words that no longer mean what you read in Webster's.

You just wish with all your heart that this Iraqi election fails. You are the enemy of the Iraqi elections. There are many candidates and many people around the world are FOR THE FIRST TIME, participating in a election in Iraq.

Pray all you want that it fails, it wont.

Pft. It already failed the first time an American soldier died over there fighting for Bushs lies. Not one American life is worth faux-democracy in Iraq no matter how bad you wish it was.

:roll:

 

[MegaWorks]

I register for the jan. 30 Iraqi elections here in Canada, and I'm a very proud supporter of the elections as most Iraqis are.

 

[BBond]

The Bush administration went into Iraq for all the wrong (and false) reasons, then changed the reason to freedom and democracy to cover their grandiose lies after failing to find WMD. And now they're pushing this ridiculous election, held during open armed conflict in large areas of Iraq, to prove they really did invade to bring democracy.

Bush reminds me of Charles Foster Kane in Citizen Kane, paying for voice lessons for his wife to prove to the world she's a singer -- only it was apparent to everyone, even to her, that she still couldn't sing.

She was tone deaf.

And just like Kane, no matter how much money the U.S. pays for Iraq's democracy lessons, we're not going to turn the tone deaf Iraq into a singer either.

 

[MegaWorks]

Originally posted by: BBond
The Bush administration went into Iraq for all the wrong (and false) reasons, then changed the reason to freedom and democracy to cover their grandiose lies after failing to find WMD. And now they're pushing this ridiculous election, held during open armed conflict in large areas of Iraq, to prove they really did invade to bring democracy.

Bush reminds me of Charles Foster Kane in Citizen Kane, paying for voice lessons for his wife to prove to the world she's a singer -- only it was apparent to everyone, even to her, that she still couldn't sing.

She was tone deaf.

And just like Kane, no matter how much money the U.S. pays for Iraq's democracy lessons, we're not going to turn the tone deaf Iraq into a singer either.

Ok Bush did a mistake going into Iraqi, but what is done is done. What you don't want us to vote? You don't want Iraqis to have elections. You want an appointed government in Iraq?

What's your scenario?

 

[Beowulf]

Originally posted by: MegaWorks
I register for the jan. 30 Iraqi elections here in Canada, and I'm a very proud supporter of the elections as most Iraqis are.

:thumbsup:

 

[BaliBabyDoc]

Originally posted by: glenn1

At least Diebold gave us the semblance of democracy . . . the Iraq vote is a farce. Granted, it's highly unlikely that country will be secure any time soon so I guess there's no reason to delay the election. Regardless, it appears "democracy" is on the long slide into the Bushism abyss of words that no longer mean what you read in Webster's.

So I suppose that means you're arguing that elections should not be held. Ever hear the expression "the perfect is the enemy of the good" ?

Dude read what I wrote . . . think more than a heartbeat . . . then respond. I stated CLEARLY

Granted, it's highly unlikely that country will be secure any time soon so I guess there's no reason to delay the election.

Regardless, it's a PURE fallacy to characterize this election as good when very FEW of the people know WHO is running and WHERE to vote. It's pretty hard to be fundamentally flawed and call it good. Is it better than Saddam . . . uh sure . . . but arguably a moderate Islamic theocracy would not only be BETTER than Saddam it might be the choice of a substantial minority if not a slim majority of Iraq's population.

Iraq . . . fundamentally is quite a mess. Whether this "election" helps or merely applies window dressing to the carnage is an open question. As for expat Iraqis . . . I don't really care. IMHO, the real patriots are the ones actively working to rebuild Iraqi society . . . that ain't happening b/c someone carpools to Nashville.

 

[raildogg]

Originally posted by: umbrella39

Originally posted by: raildogg

Originally posted by: BaliBabyDoc
CNN

The concept of democracy appears to have taken root in the dusty town of Karma, a predominantly Sunni community just north of Falluja - the city at the center of fierce fighting last year.

Although most say they don't know who the candidates are or where to go to vote, they say they will vote come January 30 -- for a variety of candidates for a variety of reasons.

At least Diebold gave us the semblance of democracy . . . the Iraq vote is a farce. Granted, it's highly unlikely that country will be secure any time soon so I guess there's no reason to delay the election. Regardless, it appears "democracy" is on the long slide into the Bushism abyss of words that no longer mean what you read in Webster's.

You just wish with all your heart that this Iraqi election fails. You are the enemy of the Iraqi elections. There are many candidates and many people around the world are FOR THE FIRST TIME, participating in a election in Iraq.

Pray all you want that it fails, it wont.

Pft. It already failed the first time an American soldier died over there fighting for Bushs lies. Not one American life is worth faux-democracy in Iraq no matter how bad you wish it was.

:roll:

Just cause your a anti war person, you WANT TO DENY the opportunity or 25 million at democracy?

I am very happy that people like you dont run this nation. You should be happy they can finally vote, but since Bush paved the way for this to happen, you dont support it. Awwwww

 

[MegaWorks]

Originally posted by: Beowulf

Originally posted by: MegaWorks
I register for the jan. 30 Iraqi elections here in Canada, and I'm a very proud supporter of the elections as most Iraqis are.

:thumbsup:

thx Beowulf that means a lot. :beer:

 

[BaliBabyDoc]

Originally posted by: Beowulf

Originally posted by: MegaWorks
I register for the jan. 30 Iraqi elections here in Canada, and I'm a very proud supporter of the elections as most Iraqis are.

:thumbsup:

Yeah . . . that whole pride BS is really taking this country (USA) down the drain.
Every time I hear Bush mumble, "we must not waver." I think about Samuel L. Jackson in the movie 187. He's challenging a kid in a "showdown" of Russian roulette where he exhorts, "if you are going to be stupid, don't be half way stupid, be all the way stupid."

To borrow another line from the film . . . "that's just macho BS."

 

[MegaWorks]

Originally posted by: BaliBabyDoc

Originally posted by: Beowulf

Originally posted by: MegaWorks
I register for the jan. 30 Iraqi elections here in Canada, and I'm a very proud supporter of the elections as most Iraqis are.

:thumbsup:

Yeah . . . that whole pride BS is really taking this country (USA) down the drain.
Every time I hear Bush mumble, "we must not waver." I think about Samuel L. Jackson in the movie 187. He's challenging a kid in a "showdown" of Russian roulette where he exhorts, "if you are going to be stupid, don't be half way stupid, be all the way stupid."

To borrow another line from the film . . . "that's just macho BS."

So now I'm BS because I want to vote?

 

[raildogg]

Originally posted by: BaliBabyDoc

Originally posted by: Beowulf

Originally posted by: MegaWorks
I register for the jan. 30 Iraqi elections here in Canada, and I'm a very proud supporter of the elections as most Iraqis are.

:thumbsup:

Yeah . . . that whole pride BS is really taking this country (USA) down the drain.
Every time I hear Bush mumble, "we must not waver." I think about Samuel L. Jackson in the movie 187. He's challenging a kid in a "showdown" of Russian roulette where he exhorts, "if you are going to be stupid, don't be half way stupid, be all the way stupid."

To borrow another line from the film . . . "that's just macho BS."

So you want us to waver? correct?

You want us to run and hide from the terrorist scum, you want us to get out of Iraq. But what do we tell the families of the 1,300 Americans killed?? That their lives didn't mean anything? That their lives went to waste?

What will happen to Iraq if we pull out?? If you think the current attacks are bad, well it'll be only 1,000 times worse.

 

[raildogg]

Originally posted by: MegaWorks

Originally posted by: BaliBabyDoc

Originally posted by: Beowulf

Originally posted by: MegaWorks
I register for the jan. 30 Iraqi elections here in Canada, and I'm a very proud supporter of the elections as most Iraqis are.

:thumbsup:

Yeah . . . that whole pride BS is really taking this country (USA) down the drain.
Every time I hear Bush mumble, "we must not waver." I think about Samuel L. Jackson in the movie 187. He's challenging a kid in a "showdown" of Russian roulette where he exhorts, "if you are going to be stupid, don't be half way stupid, be all the way stupid."

To borrow another line from the film . . . "that's just macho BS."

So now I'm BS because I want to vote?

Your BS because he hates Bush and thinks this election should not take place. I am really surprised by these left wingers, the left wingers of the past were extremely tolerant people who wanted people all over the world to have freedom and democracy.

I wish the election goes thru AND PLEASE, let the Iraqi's vote! These people have waited their entire lives to participate in a election, in any type of election.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Originally posted by: raildogg

Originally posted by: MegaWorks

Originally posted by: BaliBabyDoc

Originally posted by: Beowulf

Originally posted by: MegaWorks
I register for the jan. 30 Iraqi elections here in Canada, and I'm a very proud supporter of the elections as most Iraqis are.

:thumbsup:

Yeah . . . that whole pride BS is really taking this country (USA) down the drain.
Every time I hear Bush mumble, "we must not waver." I think about Samuel L. Jackson in the movie 187. He's challenging a kid in a "showdown" of Russian roulette where he exhorts, "if you are going to be stupid, don't be half way stupid, be all the way stupid."

To borrow another line from the film . . . "that's just macho BS."

So now I'm BS because I want to vote?

Your BS because he hates Bush and thinks this election should not take place. I am really surprised by these left wingers, the left wingers of the past were extremely tolerant people who wanted people all over the world to have freedom and democracy.

I wish the election goes thru AND PLEASE, let the Iraqi's vote! These people have waited their entire lives to participate in a election, in any type of election.

I'm sorry, who are they voting for? My dog? Well maybe. Who knows?

 

[MegaWorks]

I wish the election goes thru AND PLEASE, let the Iraqi's vote! These people have waited their entire lives to participate in a election, in any type of election.

Thx for this one raildogg, even though you bash muslims from time to time. Anyway thx again it really means a lot for my people. 🙂

 

[MegaWorks]

Originally posted by: WinstonSmith

Originally posted by: raildogg

Originally posted by: MegaWorks

Originally posted by: BaliBabyDoc

Originally posted by: Beowulf

Originally posted by: MegaWorks
I register for the jan. 30 Iraqi elections here in Canada, and I'm a very proud supporter of the elections as most Iraqis are.

:thumbsup:

Yeah . . . that whole pride BS is really taking this country (USA) down the drain.
Every time I hear Bush mumble, "we must not waver." I think about Samuel L. Jackson in the movie 187. He's challenging a kid in a "showdown" of Russian roulette where he exhorts, "if you are going to be stupid, don't be half way stupid, be all the way stupid."

To borrow another line from the film . . . "that's just macho BS."

So now I'm BS because I want to vote?

Your BS because he hates Bush and thinks this election should not take place. I am really surprised by these left wingers, the left wingers of the past were extremely tolerant people who wanted people all over the world to have freedom and democracy.

I wish the election goes thru AND PLEASE, let the Iraqi's vote! These people have waited their entire lives to participate in a election, in any type of election.

I'm sorry, who are they voting for? My dog? Well maybe. Who knows?

Iraqis who follow the elections do know who they will be voting for. I'm talking about the parties involve in the election.

 

[BaliBabyDoc]

Many of the "architects" of this exercise in democracy were active participants in supporting Saddam's regime in the 80s. Their crowning achievements during their "renaissance" will be the hundreds of billions of wasted taxpayer dollars, the decimation of our standing in the world, and chaos for the near future in Iraq.

Better than Saddam . . . ask Human Rights Watch . . .

 

[raildogg]

Originally posted by: MegaWorks

I wish the election goes thru AND PLEASE, let the Iraqi's vote! These people have waited their entire lives to participate in a election, in any type of election.

Thx for this one raildogg, even though you bash muslims from time to time. Anyway thx again it really means a lot for my people. 🙂

i never bash muslims. people mistake me bashing islamic radicals as bashing normal muslims. i'll try to make the effort to differentiate them in the future

And your welcome, like I've said before no matter who wins, this will be one of the greatest achievements of Iraq's history and of the Middle East.

 

[CycloWizard]

Originally posted by: BaliBabyDoc
Regardless, it's a PURE fallacy to characterize this election as good when very FEW of the people know WHO is running and WHERE to vote. It's pretty hard to be fundamentally flawed and call it good. Is it better than Saddam . . . uh sure . . . but arguably a moderate Islamic theocracy would not only be BETTER than Saddam it might be the choice of a substantial minority if not a slim majority of Iraq's population.

The same could be said about the US elections. Should we do away with them as well?

 

[BaliBabyDoc]

Originally posted by: CycloWizard

Originally posted by: BaliBabyDoc
Regardless, it's a PURE fallacy to characterize this election as good when very FEW of the people know WHO is running and WHERE to vote. It's pretty hard to be fundamentally flawed and call it good. Is it better than Saddam . . . uh sure . . . but arguably a moderate Islamic theocracy would not only be BETTER than Saddam it might be the choice of a substantial minority if not a slim majority of Iraq's population.

The same could be said about the US elections. Should we do away with them as well?

I know I should just ignore your moronic musings but someone needs to stymie the wholesale "dummification" of America. Almost every frickin' person that was registered to vote knew WTF they were supposed to go to vote. Accordingly no less than half of your analogy is just plain stupid. As for the WHO . . . you might be correct when it comes to the Lieutenant Governor or local judges but even the morons that voted for Bush . . . KNEW who they were voting for . . . and had the semblance of an idea of WHY.

All I know is that if Winston's dog and GWB were on the same ballot I'm going with the canine . . . he seems pretty smart . . . comparatively.

 

[MegaWorks]

Originally posted by: BaliBabyDoc

Originally posted by: CycloWizard

Originally posted by: BaliBabyDoc
Regardless, it's a PURE fallacy to characterize this election as good when very FEW of the people know WHO is running and WHERE to vote. It's pretty hard to be fundamentally flawed and call it good. Is it better than Saddam . . . uh sure . . . but arguably a moderate Islamic theocracy would not only be BETTER than Saddam it might be the choice of a substantial minority if not a slim majority of Iraq's population.

The same could be said about the US elections. Should we do away with them as well?

I know I should just ignore your moronic musings but someone needs to stymie the wholesale "dummification" of America. Almost every frickin' person that was registered to vote knew WTF they were supposed to go to vote. Accordingly no less than half of your analogy is just plain stupid. As for the WHO . . . you might be correct when it comes to the Lieutenant Governor or local judges but even the morons that voted for Bush . . . KNEW who they were voting for . . . and had the semblance of an idea of WHY.

All I know is that if Winston's dog and GWB were on the same ballot I'm going with the canine . . . he seems pretty smart . . . comparatively.

Stop acting like a dick head, Iraqis do know which parties will be involve in the election period.

 

[raildogg]

Originally posted by: BaliBabyDoc

Originally posted by: CycloWizard

Originally posted by: BaliBabyDoc
Regardless, it's a PURE fallacy to characterize this election as good when very FEW of the people know WHO is running and WHERE to vote. It's pretty hard to be fundamentally flawed and call it good. Is it better than Saddam . . . uh sure . . . but arguably a moderate Islamic theocracy would not only be BETTER than Saddam it might be the choice of a substantial minority if not a slim majority of Iraq's population.

The same could be said about the US elections. Should we do away with them as well?

I know I should just ignore your moronic musings but someone needs to stymie the wholesale "dummification" of America. Almost every frickin' person that was registered to vote knew WTF they were supposed to go to vote. Accordingly no less than half of your analogy is just plain stupid. As for the WHO . . . you might be correct when it comes to the Lieutenant Governor or local judges but even the morons that voted for Bush . . . KNEW who they were voting for . . . and had the semblance of an idea of WHY.

All I know is that if Winston's dog and GWB were on the same ballot I'm going with the canine . . . he seems pretty smart . . . comparatively.

Why do you want to stop democracy from emerging in Iraq? Why does it threaten you so much? Why, because Bush made this happen? Is that why?

Your not in Iraq, your not a Iraqi so you dont know the many candidates who are running. The people who live there and the people who will actually vote know these people.

Ha, comparing a dog to Bush ... ingenious. Marvelous. Stupendous!!! BRIILLIANT! 😀