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Democracy Taking Root in Iraq

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Originally posted by: BaliBabyDoc
I know I should just ignore your moronic musings but someone needs to stymie the wholesale "dummification" of America. Almost every frickin' person that was registered to vote knew WTF they were supposed to go to vote. Accordingly no less than half of your analogy is just plain stupid. As for the WHO . . . you might be correct when it comes to the Lieutenant Governor or local judges but even the morons that voted for Bush . . . KNEW who they were voting for . . . and had the semblance of an idea of WHY.

All I know is that if Winston's dog and GWB were on the same ballot I'm going with the canine . . . he seems pretty smart . . . comparatively.
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OK, genius, I guess we'll just hand you the key to the White House and see what you can do. You tell me first that Americans are so smart, then tell me how stupid I am for an entire paragraph. You insist that the person the majority of Americans voted for is legally retarded. How is my analogy flawed again? :cookie:
 
Originally posted by: CycloWizard
Originally posted by: BaliBabyDoc
Regardless, it's a PURE fallacy to characterize this election as good when very FEW of the people know WHO is running and WHERE to vote. It's pretty hard to be fundamentally flawed and call it good. Is it better than Saddam . . . uh sure . . . but arguably a moderate Islamic theocracy would not only be BETTER than Saddam it might be the choice of a substantial minority if not a slim majority of Iraq's population.
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The same could be said about the US elections. Should we do away with them as well?
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CW, I want to know what the last US election was where the candidates were unknown not because of ignorance, but because you were not allowed to know who was running?

You didn know about that right?
 
Originally posted by: WinstonSmith
Originally posted by: CycloWizard
Originally posted by: BaliBabyDoc
Regardless, it's a PURE fallacy to characterize this election as good when very FEW of the people know WHO is running and WHERE to vote. It's pretty hard to be fundamentally flawed and call it good. Is it better than Saddam . . . uh sure . . . but arguably a moderate Islamic theocracy would not only be BETTER than Saddam it might be the choice of a substantial minority if not a slim majority of Iraq's population.
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The same could be said about the US elections. Should we do away with them as well?
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CW, I want to know what the last US election was where the candidates were unknown not because of ignorance, but because you were not allowed to know who was running?

You didn know about that right?
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This will be the first democratic elections the Iraqi's will vote for. There are going to be many problems, but thats a good thing. They will learn from this. The fact that people will vote, no matter who they vote for, is a great achievement.

America has been having elections for a while now, the people seek out information about the candidates.

You must realize this will be the first elections in Iraq.
 
Originally posted by: BaliBabyDoc


All I know is that if Winston's dog and GWB were on the same ballot I'm going with the canine . . . he seems pretty smart . . . comparatively.
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Musty be pretty tough to swallow. Uhh,,errr,,,Being "in" with the group of people that were uhhh,,, so fvcking stupid,,,,, that they were unable to defeat the guy that is 'dumber than a dog'.

Heh heh...
 
Originally posted by: MegaWorks


Stop acting like a dick head, Iraqis do know which parties will be involve in the election period.
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At last count how many parties are registered for this election, Megaworks?

 
Originally posted by: raildogg
Originally posted by: BaliBabyDoc
Originally posted by: CycloWizard
Originally posted by: BaliBabyDoc
Regardless, it's a PURE fallacy to characterize this election as good when very FEW of the people know WHO is running and WHERE to vote. It's pretty hard to be fundamentally flawed and call it good. Is it better than Saddam . . . uh sure . . . but arguably a moderate Islamic theocracy would not only be BETTER than Saddam it might be the choice of a substantial minority if not a slim majority of Iraq's population.
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The same could be said about the US elections. Should we do away with them as well?
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I know I should just ignore your moronic musings but someone needs to stymie the wholesale "dummification" of America. Almost every frickin' person that was registered to vote knew WTF they were supposed to go to vote. Accordingly no less than half of your analogy is just plain stupid. As for the WHO . . . you might be correct when it comes to the Lieutenant Governor or local judges but even the morons that voted for Bush . . . KNEW who they were voting for . . . and had the semblance of an idea of WHY.

All I know is that if Winston's dog and GWB were on the same ballot I'm going with the canine . . . he seems pretty smart . . . comparatively.
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Why do you want to stop democracy from emerging in Iraq? Why does it threaten you so much? Why, because Bush made this happen? Is that why?

Your not in Iraq, your not a Iraqi so you dont know the many candidates who are running. The people who live there and the people who will actually vote know these people.

Ha, comparing a dog to Bush ... ingenious. Marvelous. Stupendous!!! BRIILLIANT! 😀
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My dog is a better man than Bush.
 
Originally posted by: raildogg
Originally posted by: BaliBabyDoc
Originally posted by: Beowulf
Originally posted by: MegaWorks
I register for the jan. 30 Iraqi elections here in Canada, and I'm a very proud supporter of the elections as most Iraqis are.
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Yeah . . . that whole pride BS is really taking this country (USA) down the drain.
Every time I hear Bush mumble, "we must not waver." I think about Samuel L. Jackson in the movie 187. He's challenging a kid in a "showdown" of Russian roulette where he exhorts, "if you are going to be stupid, don't be half way stupid, be all the way stupid."

To borrow another line from the film . . . "that's just macho BS."
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So you want us to waver? correct?

You want us to run and hide from the terrorist scum, you want us to get out of Iraq. But what do we tell the families of the 1,300 Americans killed?? That their lives didn't mean anything? That their lives went to waste?

What will happen to Iraq if we pull out?? If you think the current attacks are bad, well it'll be only 1,000 times worse.
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It's amazing how simple (and misinformed) you people are. If you are CLEARLY on the right track then of course you shouldn't waver . . . BUT you should always be thinking about your course and considering "corrections" if need arises.

Regardless, the terrorist scum that's thriving in Iraq arrived AFTER Bush invaded. Bush was the CAUSE of the problem. You can tell the families of 1300 killed that Bush policy sux. But depending on your calculus I'm willing to go out on a limb and say Bush is wasting the lives of thousands of US troops, thousands of Iraqi civilians, and hundreds of billions of dollars. It's too late to cut our losses b/c Bush has arguably dug the whole too deep. Our only recourse is to build an Iraq that Iraqis feel is worthing fight for. But that WILL NOT happen with this administration or even the one that follows. Success in "democratizing Iraq" is a several decades long project that will require the coordination/cooperation of Asia, Europe, and most of all the Arab world. That's not happening . . . and until it does we are indeed throwing lives and money into a thus far bottomless pit.

Oh there's very little doubt that Iraq will go to pot if we abruptly pull out US troops. But even our intelligence community believes Iraq has significant potential for going to pot REGARDLESS of our presence.

In a nutshell, I think we're pretty much screwed unless a miracle occurs . . . Bush grows a brain, Rice morphs into Colin Powell with cajones, peace breaks out between Palestine/Israel, etc.
 
Originally posted by: WinstonSmith
Originally posted by: raildogg
Originally posted by: BaliBabyDoc
Originally posted by: CycloWizard
Originally posted by: BaliBabyDoc
Regardless, it's a PURE fallacy to characterize this election as good when very FEW of the people know WHO is running and WHERE to vote. It's pretty hard to be fundamentally flawed and call it good. Is it better than Saddam . . . uh sure . . . but arguably a moderate Islamic theocracy would not only be BETTER than Saddam it might be the choice of a substantial minority if not a slim majority of Iraq's population.
Click to expand...
The same could be said about the US elections. Should we do away with them as well?
Click to expand...

I know I should just ignore your moronic musings but someone needs to stymie the wholesale "dummification" of America. Almost every frickin' person that was registered to vote knew WTF they were supposed to go to vote. Accordingly no less than half of your analogy is just plain stupid. As for the WHO . . . you might be correct when it comes to the Lieutenant Governor or local judges but even the morons that voted for Bush . . . KNEW who they were voting for . . . and had the semblance of an idea of WHY.

All I know is that if Winston's dog and GWB were on the same ballot I'm going with the canine . . . he seems pretty smart . . . comparatively.
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Why do you want to stop democracy from emerging in Iraq? Why does it threaten you so much? Why, because Bush made this happen? Is that why?

Your not in Iraq, your not a Iraqi so you dont know the many candidates who are running. The people who live there and the people who will actually vote know these people.

Ha, comparing a dog to Bush ... ingenious. Marvelous. Stupendous!!! BRIILLIANT! 😀
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My dog is a better man than Bush.
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😉 Continue to underestimate and bash Bush. He has been underestimated his entire life, so nothing new here. The thing is, hes a winner. Too bad your guy couldnt beat a guy you deem lower than a dog.

BTW, nice namecalling. This is how to conduct debate among adults.
 
Originally posted by: raildogg
Originally posted by: WinstonSmith
Originally posted by: raildogg
Originally posted by: BaliBabyDoc
Originally posted by: CycloWizard
Originally posted by: BaliBabyDoc
Regardless, it's a PURE fallacy to characterize this election as good when very FEW of the people know WHO is running and WHERE to vote. It's pretty hard to be fundamentally flawed and call it good. Is it better than Saddam . . . uh sure . . . but arguably a moderate Islamic theocracy would not only be BETTER than Saddam it might be the choice of a substantial minority if not a slim majority of Iraq's population.
Click to expand...
The same could be said about the US elections. Should we do away with them as well?
Click to expand...

I know I should just ignore your moronic musings but someone needs to stymie the wholesale "dummification" of America. Almost every frickin' person that was registered to vote knew WTF they were supposed to go to vote. Accordingly no less than half of your analogy is just plain stupid. As for the WHO . . . you might be correct when it comes to the Lieutenant Governor or local judges but even the morons that voted for Bush . . . KNEW who they were voting for . . . and had the semblance of an idea of WHY.

All I know is that if Winston's dog and GWB were on the same ballot I'm going with the canine . . . he seems pretty smart . . . comparatively.
Click to expand...

Why do you want to stop democracy from emerging in Iraq? Why does it threaten you so much? Why, because Bush made this happen? Is that why?

Your not in Iraq, your not a Iraqi so you dont know the many candidates who are running. The people who live there and the people who will actually vote know these people.

Ha, comparing a dog to Bush ... ingenious. Marvelous. Stupendous!!! BRIILLIANT! 😀
Click to expand...


My dog is a better man than Bush.
Click to expand...

😉 Continue to underestimate and bash Bush. He has been underestimated his entire life, so nothing new here. The thing is, hes a winner. Too bad your guy couldnt beat a guy you deem lower than a dog.

BTW, nice namecalling. This is how to conduct debate among adults.
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My guy didnt run, and I never underestimated Bush. I could list other winners, but it would violate Godwins Law.

Besides you insulted my dog.

 
Originally posted by: BaliBabyDoc
Originally posted by: raildogg
Originally posted by: BaliBabyDoc
Originally posted by: Beowulf
Originally posted by: MegaWorks
I register for the jan. 30 Iraqi elections here in Canada, and I'm a very proud supporter of the elections as most Iraqis are.
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:thumbsup:
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Yeah . . . that whole pride BS is really taking this country (USA) down the drain.
Every time I hear Bush mumble, "we must not waver." I think about Samuel L. Jackson in the movie 187. He's challenging a kid in a "showdown" of Russian roulette where he exhorts, "if you are going to be stupid, don't be half way stupid, be all the way stupid."

To borrow another line from the film . . . "that's just macho BS."
Click to expand...

So you want us to waver? correct?

You want us to run and hide from the terrorist scum, you want us to get out of Iraq. But what do we tell the families of the 1,300 Americans killed?? That their lives didn't mean anything? That their lives went to waste?

What will happen to Iraq if we pull out?? If you think the current attacks are bad, well it'll be only 1,000 times worse.
Click to expand...

It's amazing how simple (and misinformed) you people are. If you are CLEARLY on the right track then of course you shouldn't waver . . . BUT you should always be thinking about your course and considering "corrections" if need arises.

Regardless, the terrorist scum that's thriving in Iraq arrived AFTER Bush invaded. Bush was the CAUSE of the problem. You can tell the families of 1300 killed that Bush policy sux. But depending on your calculus I'm willing to go out on a limb and say Bush is wasting the lives of thousands of US troops, thousands of Iraqi civilians, and hundreds of billions of dollars. It's too late to cut our losses b/c Bush has arguably dug the whole too deep. Our only recourse is to build an Iraq that Iraqis feel is worthing fight for. But that WILL NOT happen with this administration or even the one that follows. Success in "democratizing Iraq" is a several decades long project that will require the coordination/cooperation of Asia, Europe, and most of all the Arab world. That's not happening . . . and until it does we are indeed throwing lives and money into a thus far bottomless pit.

Oh there's very little doubt that Iraq will go to pot if we abruptly pull out US troops. But even our intelligence community believes Iraq has significant potential for going to pot REGARDLESS of our presence.

In a nutshell, I think we're pretty much screwed unless a miracle occurs . . . Bush grows a brain, Rice morphs into Colin Powell with cajones, peace breaks out between Palestine/Israel, etc.
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Ha, is this the same Colin Powell you and your fellow left wingers bashed and mocked when he presented the case for war to the UN?
 
Originally posted by: BaliBabyDoc


It's amazing how simple (and misinformed) you people are. If you are CLEARLY on the right track then of course you shouldn't waver . . . BUT you should always be thinking about your course and considering "corrections" if need arises.

Regardless, the terrorist scum that's thriving in Iraq arrived AFTER Bush invaded. Bush was the CAUSE of the problem. You can tell the families of 1300 killed that Bush policy sux. But depending on your calculus I'm willing to go out on a limb and say Bush is wasting the lives of thousands of US troops, thousands of Iraqi civilians, and hundreds of billions of dollars. It's too late to cut our losses b/c Bush has arguably dug the whole too deep. Our only recourse is to build an Iraq that Iraqis feel is worthing fight for. But that WILL NOT happen with this administration or even the one that follows. Success in "democratizing Iraq" is a several decades long project that will require the coordination/cooperation of Asia, Europe, and most of all the Arab world. That's not happening . . . and until it does we are indeed throwing lives and money into a thus far bottomless pit.

Oh there's very little doubt that Iraq will go to pot if we abruptly pull out US troops. But even our intelligence community believes Iraq has significant potential for going to pot REGARDLESS of our presence.

In a nutshell, I think we're pretty much screwed unless a miracle occurs . . . Bush grows a brain, Rice morphs into Colin Powell with cajones, peace breaks out between Palestine/Israel, etc.
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:thumbsup:

 
Originally posted by: umbrella39
Originally posted by: raildogg
Originally posted by: BaliBabyDoc
CNN
The concept of democracy appears to have taken root in the dusty town of Karma, a predominantly Sunni community just north of Falluja - the city at the center of fierce fighting last year.

Although most say they don't know who the candidates are or where to go to vote, they say they will vote come January 30 -- for a variety of candidates for a variety of reasons.
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At least Diebold gave us the semblance of democracy . . . the Iraq vote is a farce. Granted, it's highly unlikely that country will be secure any time soon so I guess there's no reason to delay the election. Regardless, it appears "democracy" is on the long slide into the Bushism abyss of words that no longer mean what you read in Webster's.
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You just wish with all your heart that this Iraqi election fails. You are the enemy of the Iraqi elections. There are many candidates and many people around the world are FOR THE FIRST TIME, participating in a election in Iraq.

Pray all you want that it fails, it wont.
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Pft. It already failed the first time an American soldier died over there fighting for Bushs lies. Not one American life is worth faux-democracy in Iraq no matter how bad you wish it was.

:roll:
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Originally posted by: WinstonSmith
Originally posted by: Ozoned
Originally posted by: WinstonSmith
but because you were not allowed to know who was running?
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??????
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Wait, you don't know that many candidates are unknown? Not as unheard of but unnamed?
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No, I read the whole article and was just wondering if you pulled the "allowed" part out of your ass. 😛
Maybe I missed something...
 
Originally posted by: MegaWorks
I register for the jan. 30 Iraqi elections here in Canada, and I'm a very proud supporter of the elections as most Iraqis are.
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So...are you an Iraqi living in Canada? Thats what I'm getting by your message. If you are,shouldn't you be in Iraq fighting along side Americans for your freedom and your country's freedom?

 
Well, it would be nice if democracy arrives in Iraq. But, it is way too soon to tell. Right now, it looks like complete chaos, or an Ohio election, take your pick.

For those so eager to bring democracy to the world, why shouldn't democracy flourish in Africa? I don't hear you guys moaning about Rwanda. Saddam is little more than a neighborhood hit man compared to some of the guys in Africa. Oh, those blacks aren't worth saving and they don't have any oil. They are barely human, right?

Really, the right wing can justify any bit of stupidity these days with its half-baked neocon flavor of the day recipes for disaster and imperialism.

-Robert
 
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