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Dem senators urge justices to deny Hobby Lobby ObamaCare exemption

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TerryMathews said:
I want to know why my wife's birth control is free and my thyroid pill isn't.

Contrary to the Democratic agenda, birth control is a want. It defies all logic that a want is given preferential treatment before a need.
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Because we have become a nation obsessed with what we want rather than what we need.
 
spidey07 said:
Nothing hobby lobby is doing prevents any woman from having, using or getting or obtaining any form of birth control.

The federal government is infringing upon the business owners enumerated religious rights.
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His enumerated religious rights are only extended to him, he cannot force his rights onto other people.
 
senseamp said:
I do, but the question before the court is whether employer's religious beliefs should allow them to exclude them from covering things they don't believe in.
Jehovah's witnesses don't believe in blood transfusion, and Scientologists don't believe in psychiatry. What you are advocating would result in people dying.
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No, not at all. That is a flat out LIE.

Nothing would prevent people from getting treatment they need. In no way shape or form would the proper ruling in favor of hobby lobby result in people dying liar.
 
spidey07 said:
Obamacare forces business to provide free contraception for women, this goes against the 1st amendment rights of the business owner and existing federal law protecting religious rights even beyond the 1st amendment.

Obamacare is illegal and it is unconstitutional.
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No it doesn't . The ACA demands that all policies fully cover contraception. It's not "Free" at all, but rather part of the price of coverage figured on an actuarial basis.

The costs of covered contraception may well end up lower than the costs of not providing it, given the expenses of maternity, delivery & child rearing.

I rather suspect that hormonal birth control for men will also be covered should it ever become available.

Unconstitutional? You presume to usurp the Supreme Court?

Hobby Lobby is just the poster child, the front man for the Catholic Church & others who use slut shaming & poverty as means of social control. Can't preach against Sin w/o suffering sinners, and they make sure there are plenty.

And they, of course, have the right to what they want, to shape secular policy, because they have God on their side.

Since when?

Catholics are free to use or not use birth control as they see fit, and employers are not required to offer group health insurance at all. If they object to some of the legal secular provisions, they don't have to provide it.

That's what makes the whole song and dance totally bogus.
 
alzan said:
His enumerated religious rights are only extended to him, he cannot force his rights onto other people.
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It's his business, only his rights are being infringed in forcing him to spend his money and provide something that goes against his religious believes.

The only person whose rights are being trampled is the business owner. Nothing would prevent any person from seeking or getting whatever contraceptive they want.
 
spidey07 said:
It's his business, only his rights are being infringed in forcing him to spend his money and provide something that goes against his religious believes.

The only person whose rights are being trampled is the business owner. Nothing would prevent any person from seeking or getting whatever contraceptive they want.
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They're not being trampled; he's not being forced or even asked to take birth control or use IUD's.
 
TerryMathews said:
I want to know why my wife's birth control is free and my thyroid pill isn't.

Contrary to the Democratic agenda, birth control is a want. It defies all logic that a want is given preferential treatment before a need.
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The logic is that men should subsidize women's health care.

This is in fact a specific purpose of the ACA which removes gender ratings. Of course there would still be an effective gender rating if women had to pay co-pays for medicines only they use such as contraception.

Medicines that only men use, such as Viagra, however, still have copays due to the Democrats war on men.

Your thyroid pill isn't covered, because it is most likely a gender neutral medication.
 
Out of one mouth I hear, "Government better not intrude on my rights!"

And out of the other, "Yes my Liege Lord CEO thy will will be done"

People, feudalism died 400 years ago. Let's not bring it back, OK?
 
This is wrong. These are private businesses and if they don't want to cover contraception then they don't have to. The government also doesn't have the right to force insurance companies to offer contraception if they don't want to.
 
Paratus said:
Out of one mouth I hear, "Government better not intrude on my rights!"

And out of the other, "Yes my Liege Lord CEO thy will will be done"

People, feudalism died 400 years ago. Let's not bring it back, OK?
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And what right has the CEO trampled on.

If my CEO doesn't specifically buy me lunch has my right to eat been trampled on?😕
 
Jhhnn said:
Hobby Lobby is just the poster child, the front man for the Catholic Church & others who use slut shaming & poverty as means of social control. Can't preach against Sin w/o suffering sinners, and they make sure there are plenty.
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That is not true.

And so what if they did? Isn't free speech and freedom a religion a right?
 
You either provide health care for your employees or you don't. If you do, the law requires that all policies cover birth control. If you don't want to allow your employees access to insurance provided birth control then don't pay for their health care and pay the fine if there is one.

It's pretty simple stuff really. Businesses don't have a right to tell their employees how to spend their pay check (when not on the job), and we all agree that employer provided health care is a form of compensation, so employers don't get to say how that particular compensation is used either.


All I hear from our typical, retarded posters, is that they don't think women's health issues should be subsidized by men, wtf that has to do with this case, I have no idea but it's clear they have no fucking clue how insurance works.
 
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Single payer cannot come soon enough! Employees shouldn't be getting health insurance from their employees in the first place!
 
ivwshane said:
All I hear from our typical, retarded posters, is that they don't think women's health issues should be subsidized by men, wtf that has to do with this case, I have no idea but it's clear they have no fucking clue how insurance works.
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Actually it is liberals who have no clue how insurance works. You buy insurance to cover events that MIGHT HAPPEN. Not events that cannot happen.
 
nehalem256 said:
And what right has the CEO trampled on.

If my CEO doesn't specifically buy me lunch has my right to eat been trampled on?😕
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The CEO must follow the laws of the country they operate in. If they offer medical benefits those benefits must conform to the laws that regulate them.

If the CEO has religious objections to the medical insurance he'd doesn't have to offer them. Hobby Lobby could simply pay the fine. While this would effectively be a pay cut to their employees and may make them less competitive, that's an option.

Or he could quit and/or close the business down if he is morally unable to follow the law.

However, if you are a business leader who is unable to follows the rules governing your business it may behoove the shareholders/board members to vote in someone who can.
 
The talking points are strong in these posts. Almost parrot-esque. And hobby lobby is a shithole for denying this due to one idiots beliefs.
 
ivwshane said:
You either provide health care for your employees or you don't. If you do, the law requires that all policies cover birth control.
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Hobby lobby is not objecting to birth control.

They object to medicines that interfere with a fertilized egg attaching to the uterine wall.

As far as I know hobby lobby does not object to the daily pill.
 
nehalem256 said:
Actually it is liberals who have no clue how insurance works. You buy insurance to cover events that MIGHT HAPPEN. Not events that cannot happen.
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And when it comes to group coverage, that's what might happen to members of the group. Half the population is female. Figure it out.
 
Paratus said:
The CEO must follow the laws of the country they operate in. If they offer medical benefits those benefits must conform to the laws that regulate them.

If the CEO has religious objections to the medical insurance he'd doesn't have to offer them. Hobby Lobby could simply pay the fine. While this would effectively be a pay cut to their employees and may make them less competitive, that's an option.

Or he could quit and/or close the business down if he is morally unable to follow the law.

However, if you are a business leader who is unable to follows the rules governing your business it may behoove the shareholders/board members to vote in someone who can.
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And laws must follow the constitution.
 
ivwshane said:
Single payer cannot come soon enough! Employees shouldn't be getting health insurance from their employees in the first place!
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Nothing prevents an employee from purchasing insurance outside their employer offered plans.

I assume you practice what you preach and get health insurance outside of your employers?
 
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