Delphi to ax 24,000 out of 34,000 jobs

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DETROIT -- Delphi Corp.'s labor unions vehemently rejected a new "final" offer that still would radically cut workers' compensation and revealed that the bankrupt auto parts giant wants to slash 24,000 U.S. factory jobs within three years.

United Auto Workers President Ron Gettelfinger on Wednesday called the new offer "insulting" and said the unions and the company may be on a "collision course."

"Delphi's contract proposal was not designed to be a framework for an agreement but a road map for confrontation," said Gettelfinger, whose union represents 24,000 of Delphi's 34,000 U.S. hourly workers.

The impasse raises the likelihood of a work stoppage at Delphi as early as January that could cripple both the parts maker and its largest customer, General Motors Corp.

Delphi's six labor unions joined forces early this month under the name Mobilizing@Delphi after the company proposed cutting wages for factory workers from $26 an hour to as low as $9 an hour.

The offer Delphi presented to its unions this week would increase the average base wage for production workers from $10 an hour to $12.50 an hour and calls for less severe benefit cuts.

Still, Gettelfinger and other union leaders said at a news conference that the offer was not worth taking to their rank-and-file members and shows that Delphi is determined to terminate its union contracts in bankruptcy court.

"(The offer) is ridiculous, and they know it's ridiculous," Gettelfinger said. "It's not worthy of a vote."

With the situation heating up, investors on Wednesday hammered GM's stock down 6 percent to $21.29, its lowest level since 1991.

Also on Wednesday, Gettelfinger said the UAW and Ford Motor Co. have had meetings about lowering the automaker's health care costs before the 2007 renegotiation of their labor contract.

Last month, the UAW and GM reached a similar deal to cut GM's nearly $6 billion-a-year health care tab by $1 billion. The UAW said it has begun reviewing Ford's finances to determine if cuts are necessary.

But the UAW, along with Delphi's other unions, said its primary mission in coming weeks will be to expose and challenge generous executive compensation packages Delphi is proposing for senior management.

Delphi has defended nearly $90 million in proposed bonuses for 486 top managers as a fair reward if the company emerges from bankruptcy. It also said a recently improved severance program is necessary to keep 21 key officers from leaving.

The unions on Wednesday blasted the pay packages as a clear example of "corporate greed" and a sign of Delphi's insensitivity to the plight of the factory workers who keep the company running.

"This fight is not just about 34,000 Delphi workers," said Henry Reichard, automotive conference board chairman at the International Union of Electrical Workers union, which represents 8,500 Delphi hourly workers. "What's at stake here is the survival of the middle class." http://www.detnews.com/2005/autosinsider/0511/17/A01-385328.htm
 

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I understand wanting to keep their top talent aboard if the company survives, but if your 486 managers directly or indirectly led to the essential bankrupcy of the company they may not deserve almost $200K each in bonus money.
 
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Originally posted by: SearchMaster
I understand wanting to keep their top talent aboard if the company survives, but if your 486 managers directly or indirectly led to the essential bankrupcy of the company they may not deserve almost $200K each in bonus money.
in this case I don't know which is which, I do know one of the reasons american cars are so expensive is because the labor unions run the companies, not the executives.
 

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Originally posted by: lobadobadingdong
Originally posted by: SearchMaster
I understand wanting to keep their top talent aboard if the company survives, but if your 486 managers directly or indirectly led to the essential bankrupcy of the company they may not deserve almost $200K each in bonus money.
in this case I don't know which is which, I do know one of the reasons american cars are so expensive is because the labor unions run the companies, not the executives.

When you lead a company to failure (like Delphi), you don't deserve to bonus yourself or give yourself money so you won't leave. The problem is 2 fold, IMO. First you have the UAW at the production level making rediculous demands that are often not feasible in a competitive world. Secondly, you have corporate execs who are responsible for each other's salaries and giving rediculous pay spikes during bankruptcy.
 

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Originally posted by: lobadobadingdong
Originally posted by: SearchMaster
I understand wanting to keep their top talent aboard if the company survives, but if your 486 managers directly or indirectly led to the essential bankrupcy of the company they may not deserve almost $200K each in bonus money.
in this case I don't know which is which, I do know one of the reasons american cars are so expensive is because the labor unions run the companies, not the executives.


Yea but the same thing happened at a airline. The company asked for the employees to take a good size pay cut and then the executives, who ran the company down, got a big pay raise. Teh union knows for every dollar THEIR workers get cut is more money the executives will get.

Sorry but if i am to take a pay cut, so should everybody else by the same %. I have to agree with the union on this one.

 

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i hope that company dies.. fricken 3 refurb alternator died within 7-12 month from each other.. i had to switch to bosch alternator and havn't had problem for 3 years...

cost me 200 bucks each refurb alternator.. pos die die die delphi
 

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Originally posted by: dexvx
Originally posted by: lobadobadingdong
Originally posted by: SearchMaster
I understand wanting to keep their top talent aboard if the company survives, but if your 486 managers directly or indirectly led to the essential bankrupcy of the company they may not deserve almost $200K each in bonus money.
in this case I don't know which is which, I do know one of the reasons american cars are so expensive is because the labor unions run the companies, not the executives.

When you lead a company to failure (like Delphi), you don't deserve to bonus yourself or give yourself money so you won't leave. The problem is 2 fold, IMO. First you have the UAW at the production level making rediculous demands that are often not feasible in a competitive world. Secondly, you have corporate execs who are responsible for each other's salaries and giving rediculous pay spikes during bankruptcy.

From what I read, they will get the bonus IF the company emerges from bankruptcy.
BTW, when top executives start looking for ways to jump ship, then you know the situation worse of than what report. Would you stay without any incenctive?

 

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Originally posted by: SearchMaster
I understand wanting to keep their top talent aboard if the company survives, but if your 486 managers directly or indirectly led to the essential bankrupcy of the company they may not deserve almost $200K each in bonus money.

True enough. But I think most managers would take one look at a weak compensation package offered by a company about to sh|t the bed and decide to go work elsewhere. I agree it looks pretty bad giving themselves a fat raise while they're steering themselves into/through bankruptcy...but if I were in their shoes I probably would have thought "there's no money to be made here" and just left the company to rot on its own. Whether a change of leadership would help or hinder them at this juncture isn't something I understand well enough to comment on.
 

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so the 10000 people who weren't part of the union are staying. Got it. :thumbsup:
 

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If you work in a factory, you sure as hell do not deserve $26 per hour.

$26 an hour, is about $54,000 a year. Most of those people probably only have high school diplomas, some of them not even that. I find that to be insulting.

This is America, land of opportunity, the wealtheist nation that ever existed, and people want to work in a factory.
 

Preyhunter

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No matter how ridiculous Gettelfinger thinks the offer is, he should still give it to the union members to vote on. It's the "AUTO WORKERS" union, not the "Gettlefinger" union. They should be the ones deciding whether their jobs stay or go.
 

meltdown75

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Originally posted by: JLGatsby
If you work in a factory, you sure as hell do not deserve $26 per hour.

$26 an hour, is about $54,000 a year. Most of those people probably only have high school diplomas, some of them not even that. I find that to be insulting.

This is America, land of opportunity, the wealtheist nation that ever existed, and people want to work in a factory.
similarly, $12.50 an hour seems insulting to me.

also, believe it or not, some of these workers' first choice might not have been factory work. not everyone gets what they want out of a job / career.

...and to remain consistent with my postings in other union news articles: P&N.

 

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well usually I find Auto Worker Unions disgusting for the poor quality work they engender by the overzealous protection of members....but 12.50/hr???? I made more than that in high school. the 26/hr they make now seems ridiculous, why not just meet halfway at 18?
 

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Originally posted by: Accipiter22
well usually I find Auto Worker Unions disgusting for the poor quality work they engender by the overzealous protection of members....but 12.50/hr???? I made more than that in high school. the 26/hr they make now seems ridiculous, why not just meet halfway at 18?




because that means the higher ups would only get a couple hundred thousand dollar bonus, not million.
 

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Unions fault for extorting unrealistic wage and compensation concessions from Delphi's management. I'm willing to cut management some slack for their guidance of Delphi, considering what they were up against.

Yes it's unfair that these factory workers have to swallow a 50% pay cut, but it's also unfair that they were paid their current wages. The worm has turned people. Time to hop off the gravy train that compensated you an unfair inflated wage.

It does seem unfair to grant top managers raises at this point in time. Of course Delphi would want to retain them. I'm sure replacing every person in the company is quite a challenge, if not impossible to find equally qualified replacement employees. The factory workers are no doubt easier to train and therefore are more expendable.
 

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Originally posted by: FeuerFrei
Unions fault for extorting unrealistic wage and compensation concessions from Delphi's management. I'm willing to cut management some slack for their guidance of Delphi, considering what they were up against.

Yes it's unfair that these factory workers have to swallow a 50% pay cut, but it's also unfair that they were paid their current wages. The worm has turned people. Time to hop off the gravy train that compensated you an unfair inflated wage.

It does seem unfair to grant top managers raises at this point in time. Of course Delphi would want to retain them. I'm sure replacing every person in the company is quite a challenge, if not impossible to find equally qualified replacement employees. The factory workers are no doubt easier to train and therefore are more expendable.
so you feel it is proper to compensate for the years the workers were making the high wages? wouldn't it seem more "human" - for lack of a better term - to either gradually implement the wage reductions or simply not go that low? i mean, the company paid them that wage for so long. just seems like such a shock to suddenly cut the wages like that. how could one adjust? get a second job i suppose.

anyhoo... locally, Fleetwood Metal Industries has closed up shop on over 100 employees at their Tilbury, Ontario plant - employees which are CAW members. The plant began its operation decades ago in the small farming community of ~4,000. Now that they have set up shop south of the border, they are pulling the plug on all the workers who helped them gain a foothold in the auto parts supplier industry. Fleetwood is a GM supplier.

Merry Christmas!
 

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Originally posted by: dexvx
Originally posted by: lobadobadingdong
Originally posted by: SearchMaster
I understand wanting to keep their top talent aboard if the company survives, but if your 486 managers directly or indirectly led to the essential bankrupcy of the company they may not deserve almost $200K each in bonus money.
in this case I don't know which is which, I do know one of the reasons american cars are so expensive is because the labor unions run the companies, not the executives.

When you lead a company to failure (like Delphi), you don't deserve to bonus yourself or give yourself money so you won't leave. The problem is 2 fold, IMO. First you have the UAW at the production level making rediculous demands that are often not feasible in a competitive world. Secondly, you have corporate execs who are responsible for each other's salaries and giving rediculous pay spikes during bankruptcy.

well said:thumbsup:
 

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Originally posted by: dexvx
Originally posted by: lobadobadingdong
Originally posted by: SearchMaster
I understand wanting to keep their top talent aboard if the company survives, but if your 486 managers directly or indirectly led to the essential bankrupcy of the company they may not deserve almost $200K each in bonus money.
in this case I don't know which is which, I do know one of the reasons american cars are so expensive is because the labor unions run the companies, not the executives.

When you lead a company to failure (like Delphi), you don't deserve to bonus yourself or give yourself money so you won't leave. The problem is 2 fold, IMO. First you have the UAW at the production level making rediculous demands that are often not feasible in a competitive world. Secondly, you have corporate execs who are responsible for each other's salaries and giving rediculous pay spikes during bankruptcy.

it's not these guys that did it. 1st, the 486th guy down the list rarely has any real power to kill the company. second, the top management, iirc, is a team of guys that specialize in bankruptcy reorgnizations. they're new.

i will agree that execs are generally responsible for each others salaries in the US, and is a main reason that execs are paid far more here than their german and japanese counterparts.
 

halik

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Originally posted by: SearchMaster
I understand wanting to keep their top talent aboard if the company survives, but if your 486 managers directly or indirectly led to the essential bankrupcy of the company they may not deserve almost $200K each in bonus money.

yeah but saving 90 mil is not whats gonna keep delphi afloat. That exec bonus stuff is completly insignificant compared to the healthcare and labor costs...