Dell = Owned!

[Mik3y]

About Dell's CEO's recent remark about customers not wanting to have AMD, here's a story about it.

personally, i think dell is just being stupid and doesnt want to use amd products because they are biased and are probably in contract with intel. if dell were to begin using amd, then people would think "wow, dell sells good computers...and their using amd now...this must mean amd's gotten very good, perhaps better then intel...". this would look really bad to intel, imo, and would give amd a HUGE boost.

just my 2 cents.

 

[thegimp03]

Well eventually Dell will have to start offering AMD solutions so that they remain competitive. IMO they are just too lazy right now to deal with it.

 

[BentValve]

Read some of those comments though, what a bunch of maroons.

 

[ApacheChief]

Why should they change?

Dells are for HOME USERS... anyone who is serious about computers can build their own.

EDIT: By home users I mean teenagers doing school work, and misc. stuff like IM/eMail/eBay.

 

[Elcs]

Originally posted by: insolence
Why should they change?

Dells are for HOME USERS... anyone who is serious about computers can build their own.

EDIT: By home users I mean teenagers doing school work, and misc. stuff like IM/eMail/eBay.

Well, if AMD are pushing the best price/performance at that level then they'd gain some sort of advantage by way of the fact they are providing high quality at a lower and effective price.

However, Dell is bound to get plenty more cash off Intel than it would selling AMD and Intel rigs. Dell would also have to inform people of who AMD are and why they should consider them... major loss of Intels help if they openly advertise their competition like that.

Whilst the enthusiasts want Dell to use AMD because they know of AMD's benefits, downfalls and we want our friends/families to buy a good OEM machine if they dont want us to build one. However Dell gets more discounts/money out of Intel for selling exclusively Intel than they would if they sold Intel and AMD side by side. I personally dont blame Dell for anything here, its sound business sense.

Personally, Id probably recommend AMD all the way in a new rig for a basic user as insolence describes them. Intels offerings, Id have to look into more but Im sure they provide a viable option.

Dell has more to lose by adopting AMD than it will gain in even the medium term. I dont see AMD becoming the market leader in the next 5 years or providing Intel with a tangible threat. AMD have the technology but not the power of funds like Intel does. Until AMD can compete in the money market with Intel, Dell is probably going to be exclusively Intel.

 

[thermalpaste]

Originally posted by: Mik3y
About Dell's CEO's recent remark about customers not wanting to have AMD, here's a story about it.

personally, i think dell is just being stupid and doesnt want to use amd products because they are biased and are probably in contract with intel. if dell were to begin using amd, then people would think "wow, dell sells good computers...and their using amd now...this must mean amd's gotten very good, perhaps better then intel...". this would look really bad to intel, imo, and would give amd a HUGE boost.

just my 2 cents.

I was reading the article and there was this comment:

I am also a Dell customer (close to 300 machines and 20 servers), and I've been pleading with our Dell rep to get AMD for almost 3 years now. It's total bullsh*t that the CEO says that customers do not want AMD chips. I'll be dead and gone before I purchase a Dell 64bit box with that half-assed Intel 64bit proc in it. And for the record, NO they don't listen to their customers.

ROFLMAO.....half ass3d intel proc....

 

[imported_Phil]

Originally posted by: Mik3y
About Dell's CEO's recent remark about customers not wanting to have AMD, here's a story about it.

personally, i think dell is just being stupid and doesnt want to use amd products because they are biased and are probably in contract with intel. if dell were to begin using amd, then people would think "wow, dell sells good computers...and their using amd now...this must mean amd's gotten very good, perhaps better then intel...". this would look really bad to intel, imo, and would give amd a HUGE boost.

just my 2 cents.

Dell gets a quite seriously large kickback from Intel when they use their chips. If they switched to AMD, or offered both systems side-by-side, I would not doubt that Intel would withdraw that kickback entirely.

Even if they didn't, they'd therefore make less money with AMD systems because AMD don't offer a kickback to manufacturers.

 

[Zepper]

Just another reason I won't buy or recommend Dell. They are at least partly responsible for the M$ monster as they went along with their illegal bundling contracts (but I'm not sure that wasn't at least partly from ignorance of contract law) for their own short-term benefit. Not to mention the huge advertising kickbacks they get from intel for going exclusively intel and using that lousy intel logo in every ad - nobody (except us tech geeks) needs to know or care what's inside as long as it works as advertized. Basically no business integrity or real interest in customer welfare whatsoever!
. And no, I don't buy intel either (at least since the 8085/8088 - mostly AMD or other clones of i chips) and only as little M$ as I can get away with.
.bh.

 

[WackyDan]

Dell isn't the only vendor that does not ship AMD in it's PC's. IBM is another example, and for the same reasons.

You guys are over-hyping the role that Intel plays in their decision making. It has everything to do with customer demand, and I can tell you that there is not enough demand within their business customers to leverage AMD through-out their product lines. ......And while you might be talking about consumer offerings, it's the steady business customers that set the standard at the vendor-least at HP, IBM, and Dell, not the consumer.

IBM as an example does however offer AMD in it's intellistations, and some servers, where ironically there has been enough customer demand to cover the costs of design, and support.

It's not just customer driven either, all vendors spend a small fortune on "market intelligence" to determine what products to bring to market and when.

If you feel you are being ignored by a vendor because they won't spend a bazillion dollars just so you can buy an AMD from them, (which in all likelyhood you weren't going to anyway) then buy somewhere else.

 

[Zepper]

Vendors with business integrity wouldn't have created the so-called "demand" for intel by taking kickbacks for advertizing the intel logo...
.bh.

 

[Cawchy87]

Hahaha listen to their customers? You think we like calling to india and talking to someone we can't understand? Thats why i built my own computer and my family can have the dell.

 

[Boonesmi]

Originally posted by: WackyDan
Dell isn't the only vendor that does not ship AMD in it's PC's. IBM is another example, and for the same reasons.

You guys are over-hyping the role that Intel plays in their decision making. It has everything to do with customer demand, and I can tell you that there is not enough demand within their business customers to leverage AMD through-out their product lines. ......And while you might be talking about consumer offerings, it's the steady business customers that set the standard at the vendor-least at HP, IBM, and Dell, not the consumer.

IBM as an example does however offer AMD in it's intellistations, and some servers, where ironically there has been enough customer demand to cover the costs of design, and support.

It's not just customer driven either, all vendors spend a small fortune on "market intelligence" to determine what products to bring to market and when.

If you feel you are being ignored by a vendor because they won't spend a bazillion dollars just so you can buy an AMD from them, (which in all likelyhood you weren't going to anyway) then buy somewhere else.

err my little brother has an ibm thinkpad laptop with an amd cpu

and i know ive seen ibm desktop systems with amd (although it was a couple years ago)

 

[ElFenix]

Originally posted by: Zepper
Vendors with business integrity wouldn't have created the so-called "demand" for intel by taking kickbacks for advertizing the intel logo...
.bh.

business integrity? the only integrity they are required to have is an obligation to shareholders. if intel offers dirt cheap pricing to dell, possibly even better than what amd would, why would dell switch?

 

[SickBeast]

Where's FelixDeKat? He usually shows up in these threads.

Dell is stupid to not offer AMD products. I'm pretty sure they're locked into a long-term agreement w/ intel. I remember hearing grumblings about them possibly selling Opterons awhile back, but it never transpired. They were probably trying to exploit a loophole in the agreement, but intel's lawyers caught on and made sure they didn't.

 

[ponyo]

Originally posted by: WackyDan
Dell isn't the only vendor that does not ship AMD in it's PC's. IBM is another example, and for the same reasons.

You guys are over-hyping the role that Intel plays in their decision making. It has everything to do with customer demand, and I can tell you that there is not enough demand within their business customers to leverage AMD through-out their product lines. ......And while you might be talking about consumer offerings, it's the steady business customers that set the standard at the vendor-least at HP, IBM, and Dell, not the consumer.

IBM as an example does however offer AMD in it's intellistations, and some servers, where ironically there has been enough customer demand to cover the costs of design, and support.

It's not just customer driven either, all vendors spend a small fortune on "market intelligence" to determine what products to bring to market and when.

If you feel you are being ignored by a vendor because they won't spend a bazillion dollars just so you can buy an AMD from them, (which in all likelyhood you weren't going to anyway) then buy somewhere else.

Bingo.

 

[Mik3y]

Originally posted by: SickBeast
Where's FelixDeKat? He usually shows up in these threads.

hahahah :thumbsup:

 

[gamekid]

if AMD wants to get its name out more, they have have to advertise more, for ex: a comercial in the superbowl, sadly to say, a lot of ignorant people listen to that kind of stuff and then would or consider an AMD system over an intel from dell, and eventually if AMD continues this, they will become the leader over intel and Dell would therefore offer AMD computers as they would not need the kickbacks from intel if AMD became king or not eventually solely offer AMD systems



----------just a prophecy from a lone 15 year old boy who will enslave the human population and become supreme ruler over the galaxy only with the help of his Dell made AMD based system----in a perfect world(if any of u didnt see what i was trying to point out, DELL WILL NEVER MAKE AMD COMPUTERS!

 

[imported_Phil]

Originally posted by: gamekid
if AMD wants to get its name out more, they have have to advertise more, for ex: a comercial in the superbowl, sadly to say, a lot of ignorant people listen to that kind of stuff and then would or consider an AMD system over an intel from dell, and eventually if AMD continues this, they will become the leader over intel and Dell would therefore offer AMD computers as they would not need the kickbacks from intel if AMD became king or not eventually solely offer AMD systems



----------just a prophecy from a lone 15 year old boy who will enslave the human population and become supreme ruler over the galaxy only with the help of his Dell made AMD based system----in a perfect world(if any of u didnt see what i was trying to point out, DELL WILL NEVER MAKE AMD COMPUTERS!

Pause for breath much?

 

[erikistired]

why does it seem like we just talked about this? oh because we did.

 

[WackyDan]

Originally posted by: Boonesmi

Originally posted by: WackyDan
Dell isn't the only vendor that does not ship AMD in it's PC's. IBM is another example, and for the same reasons.

You guys are over-hyping the role that Intel plays in their decision making. It has everything to do with customer demand, and I can tell you that there is not enough demand within their business customers to leverage AMD through-out their product lines. ......And while you might be talking about consumer offerings, it's the steady business customers that set the standard at the vendor-least at HP, IBM, and Dell, not the consumer.

IBM as an example does however offer AMD in it's intellistations, and some servers, where ironically there has been enough customer demand to cover the costs of design, and support.

It's not just customer driven either, all vendors spend a small fortune on "market intelligence" to determine what products to bring to market and when.

If you feel you are being ignored by a vendor because they won't spend a bazillion dollars just so you can buy an AMD from them, (which in all likelyhood you weren't going to anyway) then buy somewhere else.

err my little brother has an ibm thinkpad laptop with an amd cpu

and i know ive seen ibm desktop systems with amd (although it was a couple years ago)

For starters, IBM never made a ThinkPad with an AMD in it. If you can show otherwise, then I would love the link to prove it and I'll stand corrected -in the last seven years of dealing with mostly ThinkPads, I've never seen it, or suported one.

The only desktops they made with AMD in them were the Aptivas which ironically were only targeted at consumers.

 

[Markfw]

Originally posted by: Boonesmi

Originally posted by: WackyDan
Dell isn't the only vendor that does not ship AMD in it's PC's. IBM is another example, and for the same reasons.

You guys are over-hyping the role that Intel plays in their decision making. It has everything to do with customer demand, and I can tell you that there is not enough demand within their business customers to leverage AMD through-out their product lines. ......And while you might be talking about consumer offerings, it's the steady business customers that set the standard at the vendor-least at HP, IBM, and Dell, not the consumer.

IBM as an example does however offer AMD in it's intellistations, and some servers, where ironically there has been enough customer demand to cover the costs of design, and support.

It's not just customer driven either, all vendors spend a small fortune on "market intelligence" to determine what products to bring to market and when.

If you feel you are being ignored by a vendor because they won't spend a bazillion dollars just so you can buy an AMD from them, (which in all likelyhood you weren't going to anyway) then buy somewhere else.

err my little brother has an ibm thinkpad laptop with an amd cpu

and i know ive seen ibm desktop systems with amd (although it was a couple years ago)

They also sell Opteron based servers, and I think they helped AMD with the latest 90nm transition.

 

[sandorski]

Originally posted by: Markfw900

Originally posted by: Boonesmi

Originally posted by: WackyDan
Dell isn't the only vendor that does not ship AMD in it's PC's. IBM is another example, and for the same reasons.

You guys are over-hyping the role that Intel plays in their decision making. It has everything to do with customer demand, and I can tell you that there is not enough demand within their business customers to leverage AMD through-out their product lines. ......And while you might be talking about consumer offerings, it's the steady business customers that set the standard at the vendor-least at HP, IBM, and Dell, not the consumer.

IBM as an example does however offer AMD in it's intellistations, and some servers, where ironically there has been enough customer demand to cover the costs of design, and support.

It's not just customer driven either, all vendors spend a small fortune on "market intelligence" to determine what products to bring to market and when.

If you feel you are being ignored by a vendor because they won't spend a bazillion dollars just so you can buy an AMD from them, (which in all likelyhood you weren't going to anyway) then buy somewhere else.

err my little brother has an ibm thinkpad laptop with an amd cpu

and i know ive seen ibm desktop systems with amd (although it was a couple years ago)

They also sell Opteron based servers, and I think they helped AMD with the latest 90nm transition.

Yup, IBM and AMD work very closely on Production Processes and have for many years now.

 

[Cerb]

Originally posted by: insolence
Why should they change?

Dells are for HOME USERS... anyone who is serious about computers can build their own.

EDIT: By home users I mean teenagers doing school work, and misc. stuff like IM/eMail/eBay.

Right...I don't see those users buying Latitudes, Optiplexes, and Precisions--much less Poweredges.

 

[Crimson]

As an IT Professional supporting over 200 Intel servers, I can assure you my company will not even CONSIDER AMD processors.. its simply not going to happen.. period.

 

[pillage2001]

Originally posted by: Crimson
As an IT Professional supporting over 200 Intel servers, I can assure you my company will not even CONSIDER AMD processors.. its simply not going to happen.. period.

Reason being?????