Dell 30" wide screen coming December 21st, 2005.

[Ohji]

I think Dell's the updated LG.Phillips screen. Mind you that the Apple 30 has been around for what...almost three years now? I don't think LG.Phillips is going to sat around an inferior product when their main competitior is sitting pretty with a new panel.

I'd say the MSRP would be double of the new 2406FPW so since the 24 inch is going to be priced lower than it is currently by God knows how much (I think it would be somewhere in the 899-999 range), an 1,899.99 or 1,999.99 would be just right.

You want to know how the 2006 and the 2406 might look like? just look at 3007's leg.

Yep...the ugly duck leg is in.

You'd think LG.Philips would update their aged panel, but at FPD International this past October (show where display manufacturers show their existing and upcoming products and try to outdo one another), LG and Samsung showed 30-inch WQXGA panels, and the one LG displayed was the same panel currently in use in the Apples. Of course, maybe they've had something on the back burner that will be coming out with this new Dell. I'd really like to know which panel this monitor will be using. The Samsung wasn't even slated for mass production until 1Q 2006.

 

[SLCentral]

Originally posted by: JackBurton

Originally posted by: SLCentral

Originally posted by: C6FT7

Originally posted by: anthrax
Nice, but even 2 before 7800 GTX 512 MB cards will struggle on the resolution. Remember, there ave 4.1 million pixels on the panel. There is only 2.1 on a 2001 FP

No law saying you have to run native. Most LCD's scale very nice - fine for games where text pinpoint accuracy is never an issue.

That looks like it's going to be a great display. [Roddy voice] Come On Down![/Roddy voice - RIP Roddy!]

Let's have your bids on MSRP. I'll start with $1999.00. 🙂

I've got a Apple 30", and I love it. They're going now for $2100 refurbed with no special deals. I got mine refurbed, and it came looking brand new. I wouldn't have noticed the difference, actually. If these sell for $1999, or even a few hundred under with coupons, I'd still get the Apple, for the design and cable management alone. Of course, if we're talking $300+, then it's Dell, just like it is with the 20" and 23/24"

Well have fun not being able to watch HD content protected videos on your Apple. 😉 I would have gotten an Apple 30", but it not being HDCP compliant was just a deal breaker. I'm getting the Dell 30" when it comes out. No ifs, ands or buts. With a good coupon deal, I might get it for just over a grand. 🙂

Sorry buddy, but the video card can be HDCP compliant too, therefore the monitor compliance is irrelevent.

 

[SLCentral]

Originally posted by: C6FT7
The 30" cinema is a good panel but it has no flexibility like the Dell's. I cannot imagine anyone buying one for a PC once the Dell 30 comes out. The fact that it will be cheaper and only get cheaper makes it even better.

Uh...how does it have no flexability? It uses DVI, and has a USB/FireWire hub. Other then built-in HDCP, what flexibility does it not have?

 

[SynthDude2001]

Originally posted by: SLCentral

Originally posted by: C6FT7
The 30" cinema is a good panel but it has no flexibility like the Dell's. I cannot imagine anyone buying one for a PC once the Dell 30 comes out. The fact that it will be cheaper and only get cheaper makes it even better.

Uh...how does it have no flexability? It uses DVI, and has a USB/FireWire hub. Other then built-in HDCP, what flexibility does it not have?

Component input (as well as Composite/S-Video, but those look kinda crappy on a large LCD and don't amount to much IMO), rotation/portrait mode, memory card reader on the 2405 I think?

 

[Rubycon]

Originally posted by: SynthDude2001

Originally posted by: SLCentral

Originally posted by: C6FT7
The 30" cinema is a good panel but it has no flexibility like the Dell's. I cannot imagine anyone buying one for a PC once the Dell 30 comes out. The fact that it will be cheaper and only get cheaper makes it even better.

Uh...how does it have no flexability? It uses DVI, and has a USB/FireWire hub. Other then built-in HDCP, what flexibility does it not have?

Component input (as well as Composite/S-Video, but those look kinda crappy on a large LCD and don't amount to much IMO), rotation/portrait mode, memory card reader on the 2405 I think?

Exactly. Also the DVI input on the Apple display has issues with some cards not being able to show anything on the display outside of the GUI which makes going in the BIOS impossible, for example.

The 2405 has component in, HD15 (VGA anal) as well which enables multi tasking for those not using more than one display. I own both a 30 and 23 cinema and two 2405's so my comparison is valid. The 23 also has the "pink grey" issue as well but is not TOO bad. Of course there is no way to adjust this on the monitor where color adjustment SHOULD be. The 2405 is extremely bright (mine set a 0 hehe) and has nice color adjustments.

 

[SLCentral]

Originally posted by: C6FT7

Originally posted by: SynthDude2001

Originally posted by: SLCentral

Originally posted by: C6FT7
The 30" cinema is a good panel but it has no flexibility like the Dell's. I cannot imagine anyone buying one for a PC once the Dell 30 comes out. The fact that it will be cheaper and only get cheaper makes it even better.

Uh...how does it have no flexability? It uses DVI, and has a USB/FireWire hub. Other then built-in HDCP, what flexibility does it not have?

Component input (as well as Composite/S-Video, but those look kinda crappy on a large LCD and don't amount to much IMO), rotation/portrait mode, memory card reader on the 2405 I think?

Exactly. Also the DVI input on the Apple display has issues with some cards not being able to show anything on the display outside of the GUI which makes going in the BIOS impossible, for example.

The 2405 has component in, HD15 (VGA anal) as well which enables multi tasking for those not using more than one display. I own both a 30 and 23 cinema and two 2405's so my comparison is valid. The 23 also has the "pink grey" issue as well but is not TOO bad. Of course there is no way to adjust this on the monitor where color adjustment SHOULD be. The 2405 is extremely bright (mine set a 0 hehe) and has nice color adjustments.

Okay, well then I take it back. Of course, S-Video/Composite is semi-useless, but Component is good to have. Memory card would too be nice. Either way, I prefer the simplistic design of the Apple. Plus, it has FireWire, and I use FireWire more then I'd use a memory card reader/component inputs.

 

[batmanuel]

Originally posted by: Nocturnal
http://www.engadget.com/entry/1234000240070831/

Just heard also that they're going to refresh the 2405 and the 2005 so I'd wait to buy it until next year. Reason for the refresh is the security crap for Vista. Whatever it's called, I'm not sure, HDPC or something like that.

I'm not sure if you can really lay the blame of all that "security crap" at the feet of MS in this case. As bad as MS is, Vista's protection mechanism for was mandated by a far greater evil - the MPAA. MS is just playing nice with them because they want the Vista Media Centers to be able to playback and record all of the HD content that will be out there in a year or two. If they don't design some sort of content protection scheme into Vista, then the next gen Media Centers will be just as crippled when dealing with HD content as MCE 2005.

 

[batmanuel]

Originally posted by: SLCentral

Originally posted by: JackBurton
Well have fun not being able to watch HD content protected videos on your Apple. 😉 I would have gotten an Apple 30", but it not being HDCP compliant was just a deal breaker. I'm getting the Dell 30" when it comes out. No ifs, ands or buts. With a good coupon deal, I might get it for just over a grand. 🙂

Sorry buddy, but the video card can be HDCP compliant too, therefore the monitor compliance is irrelevent.

The whole point about HDCP is that unprotected HD video data doesn't leave the computer. Having a HDCP compliant video card won't do squat for someone with a non-HDCP monitor, because both Windows and OS X are soon going to make sure that the video card just passes the HD video off to the monitor without decrypting it. The whole system is supposedly designed so that unless you crack the HDCP at some point, you won't be able to play Blu-Ray or HD DVD content at full resolution on a current 30" Cinema Display.

Between HDCP making the all the pricey Cinema Displays obsolete and all the fast Intel processors on the new Apple laptops, I think there is going to be a huge wave of buyer's remorse for anyone who recently bought an Apple computer.

 

[SLCentral]

Originally posted by: batmanuel

Originally posted by: SLCentral

Originally posted by: JackBurton
Well have fun not being able to watch HD content protected videos on your Apple. 😉 I would have gotten an Apple 30", but it not being HDCP compliant was just a deal breaker. I'm getting the Dell 30" when it comes out. No ifs, ands or buts. With a good coupon deal, I might get it for just over a grand. 🙂

Sorry buddy, but the video card can be HDCP compliant too, therefore the monitor compliance is irrelevent.

The whole point about HDCP is that unprotected HD video data doesn't leave the computer. Having a HDCP compliant video card won't do squat for someone with a non-HDCP monitor, because both Windows and OS X are soon going to make sure that the video card just passes the HD video off to the monitor without decrypting it. The whole system is supposedly designed so that unless you crack the HDCP at some point, you won't be able to play Blu-Ray or HD DVD content at full resolution on a current 30" Cinema Display.

Between HDCP making the all the pricey Cinema Displays obsolete and all the fast Intel processors on the new Apple laptops, I think there is going to be a huge wave of buyer's remorse for anyone who recently bought an Apple computer.

Uh...even if that was true, and I've been hearing the absolute opposite, what makes you think that only Apple owners will have buyers remorse? That's just ridiculous, considering the only consumer LCD's I know of that have HDCP at this time are the Westinghouse 37" LCD, and the new Gateway 21" LCD. I'm pretty sure 99.9% of people don't have either of those.

 

[batmanuel]

Originally posted by: SLCentral

Uh...even if that was true, and I've been hearing the absolute opposite, what makes you think that only Apple owners will have buyers remorse? That's just ridiculous, considering the only consumer LCD's I know of that have HDCP at this time are the Westinghouse 37" LCD, and the new Gateway 21" LCD. I'm pretty sure 99.9% of people don't have either of those.

True, but most PC users are cheapsakes who won't buy a 2005FPW unless it goes below $400, so we're not out as much someone who spent $800 on the same size Cinema Display.

Of course, HDCP support could wind up being a bit overrated for computer monitors anyway, at least in the short term, since it seems like the biggest use of Vista PC with BluRay drives and full HDTV recording capability (not just OTA HDTV, but cablecard and satellite support as well) will likely be for HTPC duties. Since most LCD and plasma HDTVs are already HDCP compliant, none of those users will have any problem at all with Vista's content protection.

 

[SLCentral]

Originally posted by: batmanuel

Originally posted by: SLCentral

Uh...even if that was true, and I've been hearing the absolute opposite, what makes you think that only Apple owners will have buyers remorse? That's just ridiculous, considering the only consumer LCD's I know of that have HDCP at this time are the Westinghouse 37" LCD, and the new Gateway 21" LCD. I'm pretty sure 99.9% of people don't have either of those.

True, but most PC users are cheapsakes who won't buy a 2005FPW unless it goes below $400, so we're not out as much someone who spent $800 on the same size Cinema Display.

Of course, HDCP support could wind up being a bit overrated for computer monitors anyway, at least in the short term, since it seems like the biggest use of Vista PC with BluRay drives and full HDTV recording capability (not just OTA HDTV, but cablecard and satellite support as well) will likely be for HTPC duties. Since most LCD and plasma HDTVs are already HDCP compliant, none of those users will have any problem at all with Vista's content protection.

Speaking of which, is all HDMI HDCP? I bought a Samsung HDMI HDTV player, but it didn't work right, and I think it was b/c of lack of HDCP, but I can't remember now. I always thought that HDMI had HDCP no matter what...

 

[JackBurton]

Originally posted by: SLCentral

Originally posted by: batmanuel

Originally posted by: SLCentral

Originally posted by: JackBurton
Well have fun not being able to watch HD content protected videos on your Apple. 😉 I would have gotten an Apple 30", but it not being HDCP compliant was just a deal breaker. I'm getting the Dell 30" when it comes out. No ifs, ands or buts. With a good coupon deal, I might get it for just over a grand. 🙂

Sorry buddy, but the video card can be HDCP compliant too, therefore the monitor compliance is irrelevent.

The whole point about HDCP is that unprotected HD video data doesn't leave the computer. Having a HDCP compliant video card won't do squat for someone with a non-HDCP monitor, because both Windows and OS X are soon going to make sure that the video card just passes the HD video off to the monitor without decrypting it. The whole system is supposedly designed so that unless you crack the HDCP at some point, you won't be able to play Blu-Ray or HD DVD content at full resolution on a current 30" Cinema Display.

Between HDCP making the all the pricey Cinema Displays obsolete and all the fast Intel processors on the new Apple laptops, I think there is going to be a huge wave of buyer's remorse for anyone who recently bought an Apple computer.

Uh...even if that was true, and I've been hearing the absolute opposite, what makes you think that only Apple owners will have buyers remorse? That's just ridiculous, considering the only consumer LCD's I know of that have HDCP at this time are the Westinghouse 37" LCD, and the new Gateway 21" LCD. I'm pretty sure 99.9% of people don't have either of those.

Uh, it is true. And no one said Apple owners are going to be the only ones pissed off. But someone that spends $2500-$3000 on a display will be a little more pissed than someone who spent $200-300 on theirs. This has been talked about ever since the mention of HDCP. Now think of what the people that have bought $10,000+ plasma displays a few years back feel like. To say they are not very happy is an understatement.

Speaking of which, is all HDMI HDCP? I bought a Samsung HDMI HDTV player, but it didn't work right, and I think it was b/c of lack of HDCP, but I can't remember now. I always thought that HDMI had HDCP no matter what...

To my knowledge all HDMI have HDCP built in. But I don't think there is any content out now using HDCP, so I doubt that was your problem.

 

[SLCentral]

Originally posted by: JackBurton

Originally posted by: SLCentral

Originally posted by: batmanuel

Originally posted by: SLCentral

Originally posted by: JackBurton
Well have fun not being able to watch HD content protected videos on your Apple. 😉 I would have gotten an Apple 30", but it not being HDCP compliant was just a deal breaker. I'm getting the Dell 30" when it comes out. No ifs, ands or buts. With a good coupon deal, I might get it for just over a grand. 🙂

Sorry buddy, but the video card can be HDCP compliant too, therefore the monitor compliance is irrelevent.

The whole point about HDCP is that unprotected HD video data doesn't leave the computer. Having a HDCP compliant video card won't do squat for someone with a non-HDCP monitor, because both Windows and OS X are soon going to make sure that the video card just passes the HD video off to the monitor without decrypting it. The whole system is supposedly designed so that unless you crack the HDCP at some point, you won't be able to play Blu-Ray or HD DVD content at full resolution on a current 30" Cinema Display.

Between HDCP making the all the pricey Cinema Displays obsolete and all the fast Intel processors on the new Apple laptops, I think there is going to be a huge wave of buyer's remorse for anyone who recently bought an Apple computer.

Uh...even if that was true, and I've been hearing the absolute opposite, what makes you think that only Apple owners will have buyers remorse? That's just ridiculous, considering the only consumer LCD's I know of that have HDCP at this time are the Westinghouse 37" LCD, and the new Gateway 21" LCD. I'm pretty sure 99.9% of people don't have either of those.

Uh, it is true. And no one said Apple owners are going to be the only ones pissed off. But someone that spends $2500-$3000 on a display will be a little more pissed than someone who spent $200-300 on theirs. This has been talked about ever since the mention of HDCP. Now think of what the people that have bought $10,000+ plasma displays a few years back feel like. To say they are not very happy is an understatement.

Speaking of which, is all HDMI HDCP? I bought a Samsung HDMI HDTV player, but it didn't work right, and I think it was b/c of lack of HDCP, but I can't remember now. I always thought that HDMI had HDCP no matter what...

To my knowledge all HDMI have HDCP built in. But I don't think there is any content out now using HDCP, so I doubt that was your problem.

I was referring to the way your sentance was worded. All I am saying is that not only Apple displays have the issue; thats all.

 

[spc hink]

I don't think the man actually expects EVERYONE to all update their machines to be HDCP compliant. I think it would hurt them much more than it will help. I think they are bluffing.

 

[GamerExpress]

Negative.

 

[JonnyBlaze]

Originally posted by: spc hink
I don't think the man actually expects EVERYONE to all update their machines to be HDCP compliant. I think it would hurt them much more than it will help. I think they are bluffing.

they dont. you just wont be able to play protected content.

 

[peegee]

Well its Dec 21st, and its not on Dell's site, so WTF? (unless you can tell me how to find it?)

 

[AmdInside]

http://www1.us.dell.com/content/topics/segtopic.aspx/brand/3007wfp?c=u

Comes out January 5

 

[peegee]

thanks, but that page is dead.

Jan 5th - shoot I miss my Dec 31st Tax Deadline. was hoping to get one in and cut my taxes a little!

----------------------
Tyan S2895
Dual Opteron 280's
12Gb Ram on x64
5.5Tb Raid 5 array on Areca PCI-e card,
running 11x Seagate 500Gb SATA2's
2 Raptors, 2 x WD 400's.
Radeon x1800XL dual dual-link DVI
PC Power and Cooling 850watt
Lian Li 2100B tower
Supermicro hot swap 5x SATA bays

 

[VINMAN]

darn i wanted to see what that was like, trying to decide between that and the Sceptre 37 LCD. Well i guess it will be the Sceptre then

 

[Nocturnal]

Originally posted by: peegee
thanks, but that page is dead.

Jan 5th - shoot I miss my Dec 31st Tax Deadline. was hoping to get one in and cut my taxes a little!

----------------------
Tyan S2895
Dual Opteron 280's
12Gb Ram on x64
5.5Tb Raid 5 array on Areca PCI-e card,
running 11x Seagate 500Gb SATA2's
2 Raptors, 2 x WD 400's.
Radeon x1800XL dual dual-link DVI
PC Power and Cooling 850watt
Lian Li 2100B tower
Supermicro hot swap 5x SATA bays

It's live right now.

 

[Looney]

Originally posted by: Nocturnal

Originally posted by: peegee
thanks, but that page is dead.

Jan 5th - shoot I miss my Dec 31st Tax Deadline. was hoping to get one in and cut my taxes a little!

----------------------
Tyan S2895
Dual Opteron 280's
12Gb Ram on x64
5.5Tb Raid 5 array on Areca PCI-e card,
running 11x Seagate 500Gb SATA2's
2 Raptors, 2 x WD 400's.
Radeon x1800XL dual dual-link DVI
PC Power and Cooling 850watt
Lian Li 2100B tower
Supermicro hot swap 5x SATA bays

It's live right now.

Link then?

 

[ND40oz]

I just spoke to my rep, it's launching in 30 minutes...

 

[Nocturnal]

http://www1.us.dell.com/content/topics/segtopic.aspx/brand/3007wfp?c=u

The site says Jan 5th.

 

[Nocturnal]

The link is dead. If you click on http://accessories.us.dell.com/sna/prod...92&cs=19&l=en&Page=productlisting.aspx you'll notice that it's also dead. I think they're fixing the site to show the 3007.