Delicious and tasty schadenfreude thread

[iRONic]

Shitlol

Moscow Mitch leading the charge for the hemp destroying legislation slipped into the senate bill fucking his KY constituents as he stumbles out the door is a perfect chef’s kiss.

Ahahahaha!

 

[Indus]

Shitlol

Moscow Mitch leading the charge for the hemp destroying legislation slipped into the senate bill fucking his KY constituents as he stumbles out the door is a perfect chef’s kiss.

Ahahahaha!

Well maybe those MAGAts that voted for him can now buy this instead..

 

[HomerJS]

Karoline Leavitt 'crying' as she posts cryptic message after 'burnout' warning​

Karoline Leavitt 'crying' as she posts cryptic message after 'burnout' warning

Karoline Leavitt has seemingly given her fans a rare glimpse into her inner world, as she gets to grips with 'living under constant pressure' from working with Donald Trump

www.irishstar.com

I laugh at Lying Levitt. Why? The constant lies and vitriol seem to be taking a toll on what is left of her soul and dignity. There is a scene in the movie Lifeforce showing the creature sucking the lifeforce out of people who get too close. Karoline is shriveling up to a rotted corpse.

 

[outriding]

Karoline Leavitt 'crying' as she posts cryptic message after 'burnout' warning​

Karoline Leavitt 'crying' as she posts cryptic message after 'burnout' warning

Karoline Leavitt has seemingly given her fans a rare glimpse into her inner world, as she gets to grips with 'living under constant pressure' from working with Donald Trump

www.irishstar.com

I laugh at Lying Levitt. Why? The constant lies and vitriol seem to be taking a toll on what is left of her soul and dignity. There is a scene in the movie Lifeforce showing the creature sucking the lifeforce out of people who get too close. Karoline is shriveling up to a rotted corpse.

Must be tough trying to defend a child rapists 24x7x365

 

[KMFJD]

https://bsky.app/profile/did%3Aplc%3Aawzzrtrcrvpnxi3ph2sbhxwv%2Fpost%2F3m5s5o6kytk24

 

[Indus]

https://bsky.app/profile/did%3Aplc%3Aawzzrtrcrvpnxi3ph2sbhxwv%2Fpost%2F3m5s5o6kytk24

Don't they live on a military base??

 

[Moonbeam]

I meant knowing better in two ways. One way is in response to the statement that they benefitted from globalization without knowing it, to which you replied how were they to know better, to which I replied they knew better because they were directly and knowingly a part of the global economy. So that was just kind of correcting the record.

Do you mean you were correcting the record regarding the original post I replied to in which Brainonska said, “These people have greatly benefited from a global economy without ever realizing it.”, a direct contradiction to what you said, that they did know?

I was asking her how they were supposed to know better, how they could have known what they didn’t know. My point to her was that given they didn’t know how can we mock them as punching their own dicks. The consequences of ignorance are inevitable and we all share in it.

The other way is I suspect more what you're talking about, which is that they had enough information available to them to know that voting for Trump was likely to turn out badly for their business, given that they sold 80% of their product to Asia.

Actually that was not the point I was making. I thought that was the point you were making. I am trying to introduce the notion there are two forms of knowing that are paradoxical in nature and that owing to the lack of consideration of which introduces vast confusion in all manner of discussions. There are things we know consciously, what we express as our beliefs and there is a deeper reality, things we know in the form of unexamined programmed beliefs that create our real feelings, the unexamined knowing or holding of biased opinions that actually determine our actions. This kind of knowing is irrational, like the presence of irrational bias based on historical geographical origins of our progenitors who where all long ago black before expanding out of Africa and to which was attached a motion of superiority based on color. The denial of self hate leads to an unconscious need to find ways to rectify that condition by inventing ways to make ourselves feel superior and skin color is one of the infinite ways we do this. Once that self congratulatory color bias takes root almost no evidence to the contrary no matter how obvious will work. Almost everybody likely knows that skin melanin evolved to protect against harmful rays of the sun but scientific fact will not cure all racial bias owing to the fact that the greater the self hate the greater the need to believe, if you happen to be white, that whiteness makes you superior. The controlling belief, the imagined certainty of that is what is in charge, not the facts of science. And there is nothing you can do to make bigots see.

I could say they ought to have known better, but I believe people should take responsibility for their decisions and actions. For whatever reasons they voted for Trump, and the Trump admin's policies took out their business. Cause and effect. It's not blame, it's responsibility. No one has perfect information, but if people are not willing to reflect on the decisions they made which led to bad outcomes and make course corrections, welcome to the Leopards Eating People's Faces Party I guess.

Should and ought are dangerous words that carry presumptive bias. It is useless to believe in them when they run counter to what we unconsciously believe and feel a desperate need to be true. It is simply a fact that people eat their own faces. There is just one person for whom to have hope. New ways of seeing come with a feeling of need. All I know how to do, as a victim myself, is th say what I believe is true. What I do know is learned from someone who in my best estimation was actually free.

 

[Brainonska511]

https://bsky.app/profile/did%3Aplc%3Aawzzrtrcrvpnxi3ph2sbhxwv%2Fpost%2F3m5s5o6kytk24

Oh no, Mrs Goebbels is having a hard time, how terrible for her. If only there was someone in her life who was doing terrible things to others that could stop being such a terrible person and stop doing those things.

 

[KMFJD]

Don't they live on a military base??

yup, them and a few of the other ghouls

 

[Heartbreaker]

https://bsky.app/profile/did%3Aplc%3Aawzzrtrcrvpnxi3ph2sbhxwv%2Fpost%2F3m5s5o6kytk24

Maybe she should think about the Children pulled from their homes and left on the ground in handcuffs by her husbands Gestapo.

 

[Moonbeam]

I used gravity as an example it can be substituted for other things

Also you do not need to have an understanding in science to observe something..

I believe these statements to be true.

Now bringing in religion is disingenuous. Religion is based on purely based on faith .

This one is based on your opinion. Religion is about far far more than purity. Anybody with an inclination, I think, could easily demonstrate that. Your viewpoint here strikes me as biased so the outcome of such a demonstration, I’m guessing, would leave you unimpressed. I suspect you need to believe what you say and any attempt po pursuade you otherwise would prove useless.

Have you seen someone rise from the dead after a week and move a giant bolder?

Literally or figuratively? I rose from the dead via the mercy of Grace. It totally altered my view of the world.

Have you let something go and have it fall to the ground?

I have let go of things that both fallen and floated away. I let go of my sacred beliefs and discovered a treasure beyond belief itself.

All I would like is for you is tobe less certain that what you believe is real. You don’t like faith based beliefs but consider you may be full of them.

I think Christianity is a hard religion. It is basically for the kind of people Jesus seemed to prefer to reach, the meek, the poor of spirit, the downtrodden, those humbled by the suffering so widespread in His time. I am a privileged egotistical rely righteous Karen born in safety and freedom from won’t. Charity, forgiveness for sins, all of those Christian virtues were difficult for me and the result was a lot of self loathing. I could never measure up. I hated the religion that made me that way and mastered the are of doubt but there was one thing I held onto and that was a sense that I was missing something, a memory of a state of mind in which I had once been happy. What kind of illusion was that. What is it to live. I was drive by this question. One night deep in thought as to why I suffered the wind hit my house and I knew. The truth is so so so very simple.

 

[hal2kilo]

Karoline Leavitt 'crying' as she posts cryptic message after 'burnout' warning​

Karoline Leavitt 'crying' as she posts cryptic message after 'burnout' warning

Karoline Leavitt has seemingly given her fans a rare glimpse into her inner world, as she gets to grips with 'living under constant pressure' from working with Donald Trump

www.irishstar.com

I laugh at Lying Levitt. Why? The constant lies and vitriol seem to be taking a toll on what is left of her soul and dignity. There is a scene in the movie Lifeforce showing the creature sucking the lifeforce out of people who get too close. Karoline is shriveling up to a rotted corpse.

Hell, she keeps this up, she might develop a wandering eye, or run for governor.

 

[Pontius Dilate]

Do you mean you were correcting the record regarding the original post I replied to in which Brainonska said, “These people have greatly benefited from a global economy without ever realizing it.”, a direct contradiction to what you said, that they did know?

I was asking her how they were supposed to know better, how they could have known what they didn’t know. My point to her was that given they didn’t know how can we mock them as punching their own dicks. The consequences of ignorance are inevitable and we all share in it.

Yes I was effectively correcting Brainonska's record, that they didn't realize they benefitted from a global economy. They absolutely did know they have benefitted from a global economy because they sold 80% of their lumber to Asia. Given that knowledge and the knowledge that Trump and company love tariffs and trade wars and particularly hate China, they could have and should have known better if they cared about their business and employees.

Actually that was not the point I was making. I thought that was the point you were making. I am trying to introduce the notion there are two forms of knowing that are paradoxical in nature and that owing to the lack of consideration of which introduces vast confusion in all manner of discussions. There are things we know consciously, what we express as our beliefs and there is a deeper reality, things we know in the form of unexamined programmed beliefs that create our real feelings, the unexamined knowing or holding of biased opinions that actually determine our actions. This kind of knowing is irrational, like the presence of irrational bias based on historical geographical origins of our progenitors who where all long ago black before expanding out of Africa and to which was attached a motion of superiority based on color. The denial of self hate leads to an unconscious need to find ways to rectify that condition by inventing ways to make ourselves feel superior and skin color is one of the infinite ways we do this. Once that self congratulatory color bias takes root almost no evidence to the contrary no matter how obvious will work. Almost everybody likely knows that skin melanin evolved to protect against harmful rays of the sun but scientific fact will not cure all racial bias owing to the fact that the greater the self hate the greater the need to believe, if you happen to be white, that whiteness makes you superior. The controlling belief, the imagined certainty of that is what is in charge, not the facts of science. And there is nothing you can do to make bigots see.

Should and ought are dangerous words that carry presumptive bias. It is useless to believe in them when they run counter to what we unconsciously believe and feel a desperate need to be true. It is simply a fact that people eat their own faces. There is just one person for whom to have hope. New ways of seeing come with a feeling of need. All I know how to do, as a victim myself, is th say what I believe is true. What I do know is learned from someone who in my best estimation was actually free.

I think it is nihilistic to just say these people can't know better. They absolutely can and they should. If I kill someone I don't get to claim I was following programmed beliefs based on unexamined assumptions to escape responsibility and accountability for their death. If I continue to kill people do I get to say because you didn't stop me it's your fault and not mine because I'm just a bigot and therefore you can't blame me? If people vote against their own interests and end up suffering direct consequences but continue to vote the same way knowing that the same circumstance that hurt them hurt their neighbors and countrymen, they are operating against society and they need to learn. It sucks that we have to live in a society with other people and we can't just all lone wolf it and YOLO and shit, but that's the way it is. Take some responsibility.

 

[outriding]

I believe these statements to be true.

This one is based on your opinion. Religion is about far far more than purity. Anybody with an inclination, I think, could easily demonstrate that. Your viewpoint here strikes me as biased so the outcome of such a demonstration, I’m guessing, would leave you unimpressed. I suspect you need to believe what you say and any attempt po pursuade you otherwise would prove useless.

Literally or figuratively? I rose from the dead via the mercy of Grace. It totally altered my view of the world.

I have let go of things that both fallen and floated away. I let go of my sacred beliefs and discovered a treasure beyond belief itself.

All I would like is for you is tobe less certain that what you believe is real. You don’t like faith based beliefs but consider you may be full of them.

I think Christianity is a hard religion. It is basically for the kind of people Jesus seemed to prefer to reach, the meek, the poor of spirit, the downtrodden, those humbled by the suffering so widespread in His time. I am a privileged egotistical rely righteous Karen born in safety and freedom from won’t. Charity, forgiveness for sins, all of those Christian virtues were difficult for me and the result was a lot of self loathing. I could never measure up. I hated the religion that made me that way and mastered the are of doubt but there was one thing I held onto and that was a sense that I was missing something, a memory of a state of mind in which I had once been happy. What kind of illusion was that. What is it to live. I was drive by this question. One night deep in thought as to why I suffered the wind hit my house and I knew. The truth is so so so very simple.

Opinions are not facts… I am disappointed that you are arguing this

As far as rising from from the dead..

Just stop it…. You know what I mean you are just being a fool

Btw. You can take your belief in sky fairies and shove it.

 

[HomerJS]

Name the irony.

 

[GodisanAtheist]

Name the irony.
View attachment 134074

- What happened here.

Did the guy that hoists and secures the flag get deported or something? Did the guy that looks at the flag and makes sure it isn't on the ground get deported?

How does a flag fall to the ground and then worse still just sit there long enough for this photo op to happen?

 

[outriding]

Name the irony.
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He doesn’t have a flag pin on his jacket

 

[Moonbeam]

Yes I was effectively correcting Brainonska's record, that they didn't realize they benefitted from a global economy. They absolutely did know they have benefitted from a global economy because they sold 80% of their lumber to Asia. Given that knowledge and the knowledge that Trump and company love tariffs and trade wars and particularly hate China, they could have and should have known better if they cared about their business and employees.

You have identified the issue. What does a person evaluate or prioritize in determining the better and arriving at a conclusion as to what the better is. You are assuming that people have the capacity to do this rationally and make a further assumption that it should be best economically and for employees. You have narrowed the issue to suit your own conscious moral priorities. I am fine with those values.

But, as I said, we are motivated by feelings beyond conscious awareness. Either you do not see that are dismissing it as a non factor. People whose perceived worth is predicated on identification with some noble ism will unconsciously prioritize maintainence of that idol worship at any cost. Once a person has essential become a member of a cult the psychological prison thus entered is very difficult to break from.

I think it is nihilistic to just say these people can't know better.

I am not saying they can’t know better. I am saying most won’t because they neither know they are imprisoned or have no desire to escape. Nihilism is a psychological state of mind that exists when some moral value seems to have no real effect. That is because your world view is based on unrealistic dreams. The situation is hopeless but not serious. The potential for all of your idealistic dreams to be realized in ways you neither suspect nor imagine does not cease to exist because you experience a hopeless state. That is where truth that life is good actually becomes possible. Not faith or hope that it is there, but the living reality itself. That is the knowing via experience that confers real certainty, not hope or faith, nor egotistical opinion.

They absolutely can and they should. If I kill someone I don't get to claim I was following programmed beliefs based on unexamined assumptions to escape responsibility and accountability for their death. If I continue to kill people do I get to say because you didn't stop me it's your fault and not mine because I'm just a bigot and therefore you can't blame me? If people vote against their own interests and end up suffering direct consequences but continue to vote the same way knowing that the same circumstance that hurt them hurt their neighbors and countrymen, they are operating against society and they need to learn. It sucks that we have to live in a society with other people and we can't just all lone wolf it and YOLO and shit, but that's the way it is. Take some responsibility.

You cannot take responsibility for beliefs based on bigotry because bigots are blind to their bigotry. Such responsibility can’t exist.

What can and must exist is accountability. Your right to act out your bigotry ends when it steps on my right rights. Nobody has a right to kill anybody and any such crime mandates a criminal’s wish to continue down such a path. It is required in a just society that people intent on the violation of other’s rights to forfeit their freedom of action. That can’t be blamed but they certainly need to be constrained. The idea of punishment is inane. Some people will repent and change. Others will not. Effort should be devoted to telling who is who, but that is a should that punishers will never hear.

 

[IronWing]

He doesn’t have a flag pin on his jacket

RINO

 

[Pontius Dilate]

You have identified the issue. What does a person evaluate or prioritize in determining the better and arriving at a conclusion as to what the better is. You are assuming that people have the capacity to do this rationally and make a further assumption that it should be best economically and for employees. You have narrowed the issue to suit your own conscious moral priorities. I am fine with those values.

But, as I said, we are motivated by feelings beyond conscious awareness. Either you do not see that are dismissing it as a non factor. People whose perceived worth is predicated on identification with some noble ism will unconsciously prioritize maintainence of that idol worship at any cost. Once a person has essential become a member of a cult the psychological prison thus entered is very difficult to break from.


I am not saying they can’t know better. I am saying most won’t because they neither know they are imprisoned or have no desire to escape. Nihilism is a psychological state of mind that exists when some moral value seems to have no real effect. That is because your world view is based on unrealistic dreams. The situation is hopeless but not serious. The potential for all of your idealistic dreams to be realized in ways you neither suspect nor imagine does not cease to exist because you experience a hopeless state. That is where truth that life is good actually becomes possible. Not faith or hope that it is there, but the living reality itself. That is the knowing via experience that confers real certainty, not hope or faith, nor egotistical opinion.

You cannot take responsibility for beliefs based on bigotry because bigots are blind to their bigotry. Such responsibility can’t exist.

What can and must exist is accountability. Your right to act out your bigotry ends when it steps on my right rights. Nobody has a right to kill anybody and any such crime mandates a criminal’s wish to continue down such a path. It is required in a just society that people intent on the violation of other’s rights to forfeit their freedom of action. That can’t be blamed but they certainly need to be constrained. The idea of punishment is inane. Some people will repent and change. Others will not. Effort should be devoted to telling who is who, but that is a should that punishers will never hear.

I understand this is a fundamental difference between us but people do in fact have the capacity to evaluate and prioritize in determining the better rationally. That they do not always do this is neither here nor there. That's where responsibility comes in. If this sawmill operator made a decision to vote for Trump based on some irrational assumptions and some rational ones, he still made that decision. If we tell people they are not responsible for their own actions, why would they ever change their behavior? "Gosh, I keep putting my hand on the stove and it burns me every single time. The Democrats sure are evil, I'm just living my life doing the right thing and they keep burning me with this stove." What motivation does this person have to examine their own behavior, to try to get some additional information and perspective if they are not responsible for repeatedly putting their hand on the stove with the same painful result?

We can agree that that media landscape is bent towards sensationalism and is captured by propagandists. People are being fed false information to trigger emotional responses, often contradictory information from different actors with different goals. People remain responsible for their own actions. I am unwilling to just throw everyone into the bucket of not responsible by reason of insanity as a default position because there is literally nowhere to go from there. Earlier I asked you to articulate a path or set of steps or possibility of direction that a person not trapped by 'the system' could take and you couldn't, or at least you didn't. People need to be responsible for their behavior and actions in order to have a society at all.

 

[Brainonska511]

I understand this is a fundamental difference between us but people do in fact have the capacity to evaluate and prioritize in determining the better rationally. That they do not always do this is neither here nor there. That's where responsibility comes in. If this sawmill operator made a decision to vote for Trump based on some irrational assumptions and some rational ones, he still made that decision. If we tell people they are not responsible for their own actions, why would they ever change their behavior? "Gosh, I keep putting my hand on the stove and it burns me every single time. The Democrats sure are evil, I'm just living my life doing the right thing and they keep burning me with this stove." What motivation does this person have to examine their own behavior, to try to get some additional information and perspective if they are not responsible for repeatedly putting their hand on the stove with the same painful result?

We can agree that that media landscape is bent towards sensationalism and is captured by propagandists. People are being fed false information to trigger emotional responses, often contradictory information from different actors with different goals. People remain responsible for their own actions. I am unwilling to just throw everyone into the bucket of not responsible by reason of insanity as a default position because there is literally nowhere to go from there. Earlier I asked you to articulate a path or set of steps or possibility of direction that a person not trapped by 'the system' could take and you couldn't, or at least you didn't. People need to be responsible for their behavior and actions in order to have a society at all.

Also, sometimes, people put their cultural concerns over their material economic concerns. It's how Jim Crow was able to persist for so long.

There also isn't some secret set of Democrats in the south waiting to be unlocked by the right candidate. If White people in the South voted the way White people in Northeast vote, the current crop of Republicans would never be in office ever again. Instead, they keep pulling the trigger for Richard Racist McCurmudgeon IV...

 

[K1052]

Also, sometimes, people put their cultural concerns over their material economic concerns. It's how Jim Crow was able to persist for so long.

There also isn't some secret set of Democrats in the south waiting to be unlocked by the right candidate. If White people in the South voted the way White people in Northeast vote, the current crop of Republicans would never be in office ever again. Instead, they keep pulling the trigger for Richard Racist McCurmudgeon IV...

In southern urban metros the D vote share is consistently way lower than in the north and west metros. In election after election. So yeah it's definitely not candidate dependent.

 

[Brainonska511]

In southern urban metros the D vote share is consistently way lower than in the north and west metros. In election after election. So yeah it's definitely not candidate dependent.

Exactly. I think people don't really understand the nature of Southern Racism™ - they think there is some secret political message to change the winds. No, there isn't. You simply have to break the racism.

 

[K1052]

Exactly. I think people don't really understand the nature of Southern Racism™ - they think there is some secret political message to change the winds. No, there isn't. You simply have to break the racism.

Some people might be like "But K1052, Georgia elected Democrats so it must not be racism."

Yes specifically because there are now so many urban black voters in Georgia (Atlanta) coupled with low rural populations and it keeps trending that way so Republicans can now lose statewide elections there.

 

[Moonbeam]

I understand this is a fundamental difference between us but people do in fact have the capacity to evaluate and prioritize in determining the better rationally.

Youare taking the position that they can do what they don’t do. You are also implicitingly suggesting there is a better rationality they could but do not reach. You term this being responsible. In short, owing to the system in which you have had your being created and maintained on the basis of the assumptions upon which that system’s foundations are built. You are stuck in the prison of trying to solve a problem the solutions you offer create. Because you are bound by the rules of ignorance by which the system operates, the solutions thus produced are not solutions at all but are the problem you are trying to fix. The problem is the system. The system generated solutions and the belief in them is the problem.

That they do not always do this is neither here nor there. That's where responsibility comes in. If this sawmill operator made a decision to vote for Trump based on some irrational assumptions and some rational ones, he still made that decision. If we tell people they are not responsible for their own actions, why would they ever change their behavior? "Gosh, I keep putting my hand on the stove and it burns me every single time. The Democrats sure are evil, I'm just living my life doing the right thing and they keep burning me with this stove." What motivation does this person have to examine their own behavior, to try to get some additional information and perspective if they are not responsible for repeatedly putting their hand on the stove with the same painful result?

The crux of this is your question why would anybody change if there are no consequences for bad behavior. Here we can see the system in action. The moral position you state is conditioning by consequence, good behavior should be rewarded bad behavior discouraged by negative payback. This is conditioning by fear, fear that some behaviors are bad and result in negative consequences and that good behaviors have positive outcomes, and you compare it to putting your hand on a stove. But the consequences of putting your hand on a stove are physical and real while the consequences of bad behaviors are being put down as morally inferior by being physically abused or mentally shamed. In this way whatever random nonsense you are conditioned in this way to define as the good and the bad becomes in a sense your sources of moral pain avoidance. In short, your morality is a form of neuroticism. And the fear of negative consequences defined by your own personal lens based on whatever garbage you happened to have been inculcated with becomes the system via which you view and navigate the world. The feeling this conditioning is proper belief is generated by fear long suppressed and forgotten, but lingers as your North Star.

There is nothing about your moral beliefs you can demonstrate are absolute truth other than by the fear generated adumbrations of past events.

We can agree that that media landscape is bent towards sensationalism and is captured by propagandists. People are being fed false information to trigger emotional responses, often contradictory information from different actors with different goals. People remain responsible for their own actions. I am unwilling to just throw everyone into the bucket of not responsible by reason of insanity as a default position because there is literally nowhere to go from there. Earlier I asked you to articulate a path or set of steps or possibility of direction that a person not trapped by 'the system' could take and you couldn't, or at least you didn't. People need to be responsible for their behavior and actions in order to have a society at all.

The point is that the system from which you are viewing the problem is that the insanity of that system is required to exist in order to avoid insaniy. The system creates, defines, and, inculcates behaviors that require the insanity inculcated to continue to exist. You want me to give you a systemic answer to a conundrum manufactured by the system itself and complain I don’t do so. But all I can do is to try to show you the trap. Your responsibility, since you like that notion so much, is to suffer the realization you are neurotically identified with a sick system and survive the pain of hopelessness the system catastrophises will result if you let go of it. Only then will your mind be able to acquire new ways of understanding presently denied to you. You are a monkey trapped ina bottle grasping tightly to a piece of delicious looking fruit making it impossible to withdraw the fist. OK, so you refuse. It’s not your fault you cling to the irresponsible act of cling to the system in which words like responsibility have been invented.

Yesterday I was in an online video conference with someone who sent me a link to someone I was not familiar with. It was a rather lengthy podcast, a dialogue between two people. I saw in it a highly articulated expression of a vision of the world from a non systemic perspective. Perhaps you might be interested enough to give it a full listen.