Delegate count since March 4

[Mail5398]

Ohio Clinton 74 Obama 65
Texas Clinton 94 Obama 99
Vermont Clinton 6 Obama 9
Rhode Island Clinton 13 Obama 8


Mississippi Clinton 11 Obama 17 with 95% in.


Obama 198
Clinton 198

 

[nageov3t]

it's over if Obama makes up some ground in PA.

well, it's already over, but it'll be over-er unless Hill managed to take NC in some freak storm of nature.

 

[Mail5398]

Obama is up almost 700,000 in the popular vote across the country too.

 

[bamacre]

He needs to start publicly asking her to drop out.

 

[jpeyton]

Clinton is not going to gain any ground

Good. She needs to get forced out of the race by the party.

 

[nageov3t]

Originally posted by: bamacre
He needs to start publicly asking her to drop out.

Originally posted by: jpeyton

Clinton is not going to gain any ground

Good. She needs to get forced out of the race by the party.

before the Texas/OH primaries, 67% of democrats felt that she should stay in the race even if she lost one of them... I can't imagine that number's changed much in the past 7 days.

 

[Mail5398]

The longer this race goes on, idiots like Ferraro make sure that McCain gets elected this fall.

 

[Farang]

Originally posted by: bamacre
He needs to start publicly asking her to drop out.

I think the media needs to turn before he does, and my inclination is that they are starting to see Clinton's only path to victory is quite disgusting. Olbermann said he is going to be doing his commentary on the Clinton campaign tomorrow, and most op/ed I've read seems to be outing her strategy as unbecoming of a Democratic candidate. The only pieces I've read that suggest she is still in the race are those that include Michigan and Florida, without qualification, thus making them biased in my view (if you're going to include Michigan in your article you'd better qualify it first).

I also see Obama being able to put up with this at least until Pennsylvania and North Carolina, two states that'll together split the delegates between the candidates and make it apparent that the race is over. It seems like an eternity but really after those primaries the general is still six months away. Three months of nobody really paying attention, and then the three that matter. By that time Clinton will be long forgotten.

 

[Mail5398]

Even when you include the vote total of Michigan and Florida, Obama is still ahead in the popular vote. That is with Obama getting ZERO votes in Michigan.

 

[nageov3t]

Originally posted by: Mail5398
Even when you include the vote total of Michigan and Florida, Obama is still ahead in the popular vote. That is with Obama getting ZERO votes in Michigan.

I don't really see anyone arguing with your point

 

[Mail5398]

I like to argue with myself.


I really am beginning to believe that the Clinton's are willing to throw this election down the crapper, so she can run again in 4 years.

 

[nageov3t]

maybe she just sees that people want her to stay in the race?

it's not like she's some candidate polling inside the margin of error, almost 70% of voters want her to stay in.

if the landscape changes between now and PA, I'm sure she'll readjust her outlook... I just hope it doesn't go too negative between now and then. despite the best attempts of some people to marginalize the 49% of democrats who voted for her (and vice versa), the dems are going to need those votes in the GE and they're going to need the Clintons to raise money for Obama.

 

[Mail5398]

If we wait until after the convention, I really do not believe there will be enough time to heal.

 

[nageov3t]

Originally posted by: Mail5398
If we wait until after the convention, I really do not believe there will be enough time to heal.

I'd hope that the SD's come to a decision fairly quickly after the remaining big primaries... I think the democrats biggest worry right now should be if there isn't a smoke-filled back room. lol.

 

[CellarDoor]

I actually heard today that Obama picked up an additional 4 delegates today from California, as they are still finishing counting in some areas. They say he might pick up another 1-2 in Ohio as well.

 

[Farang]

Originally posted by: loki8481

Originally posted by: Mail5398
If we wait until after the convention, I really do not believe there will be enough time to heal.

I'd hope that the SD's come to a decision fairly quickly after the remaining big primaries... I think the democrats biggest worry right now should be if there isn't a smoke-filled back room. lol.

There will be a decision after the primaries, no doubt in my mind. The superdelegates aren't going to allow for a "superdelegate primary" because even if they don't turn over the popular decision, the damage would be done in that they allowed such a campaign to continue. Plus there would be nothing left to wait for--the arguments have been made, the results are in, they will be under great pressure to come to a decision.

 

[Painman]

After this Ferraro debacle, Clinton needs to reject, renounce and fire this woman or she will NOT get the SD bailout she's looking for. SDs were established in order to make sure candidates who became potential trainwrecks for the party could not get nominated (see: Hubert Humphrey, Ted Kennedy).

Clinton is probably off the rails already for not immediately firing Ferraro. AA voters aren't necessarily going to fall in line like good little chumps behind a candidate who they *already* see as ready to throw them under the bus whenever it's expedient, esp. after they've been repudiating this candidate in every contest in the primary.

Lose AA vote, and the Dem coalition will be crippled for a generation. Clinton pissing on their heads is one thing - the DNC telling them it's raining would be entirely another.

 

[M0RPH]

She still has a chance of edging him in the popular vote, if she was to do really well in PA and in MI/FL revotes. If she did manage that, and having won most of the large battleground states, I think she would be deserving of the nomiation over Obama and I think many superdelegates would see it the same way.

However, more and more I'm seeing that no matter what happens, they're going to give it to Obama. The main reason for that is racial sensitivities. Superdelegates, and the Democratic party in general, will be afraid that if they don't give it to him it will be seen as racism and will cause an uproar among blacks in this country.

So congrats, Obama.

 

[Wreckem]

Originally posted by: Mail5398
Ohio Clinton 74 Obama 65
Texas Clinton 94 Obama 99
Vermont Clinton 6 Obama 9
Rhode Island Clinton 13 Obama 8


Mississippi Clinton 11 Obama 17 with 95% in.


Obama 198
Clinton 198

Dont forget when CA certified their election results Clinton lost 4 delegates and Obama gained 4 delegates.

So that it is actually 202 to 194.

 

[JJChicken]

Originally posted by: Wreckem

Originally posted by: Mail5398
Ohio Clinton 74 Obama 65
Texas Clinton 94 Obama 99
Vermont Clinton 6 Obama 9
Rhode Island Clinton 13 Obama 8


Mississippi Clinton 11 Obama 17 with 95% in.


Obama 198
Clinton 198

Dont forget when CA certified their election results Clinton lost 4 delegates and Obama gained 4 delegates.

So that it is actually 202 to 194.

I think Obama gained 4 but hilda didn't lose any, so the gap is 202 to 198.

 

[BeauJangles]

Originally posted by: M0RPH
She still has a chance of edging him in the popular vote, if she was to do really well in PA and in MI/FL revotes. If she did manage that, and having won most of the large battleground states, I think she would be deserving of the nomiation over Obama and I think many superdelegates would see it the same way.

However, more and more I'm seeing that no matter what happens, they're going to give it to Obama. The main reason for that is racial sensitivities. Superdelegates, and the Democratic party in general, will be afraid that if they don't give it to him it will be seen as racism and will cause an uproar among blacks in this country.

So congrats, Obama.

So Obama will get the nomination because he's black, not because he leads in every measurable metric concerning the election? I generally disagree with your point of view, but the fact you even raise the issue is disgusting.

 

[Starbuck1975]

However, more and more I'm seeing that no matter what happens, they're going to give it to Obama. The main reason for that is racial sensitivities. Superdelegates, and the Democratic party in general, will be afraid that if they don't give it to him it will be seen as racism and will cause an uproar among blacks in this country.

Geraldine, is that you?

 

[Robor]

Originally posted by: M0RPH
She still has a chance of edging him in the popular vote, if she was to do really well in PA and in MI/FL revotes. If she did manage that, and having won most of the large battleground states, I think she would be deserving of the nomiation over Obama and I think many superdelegates would see it the same way.

However, more and more I'm seeing that no matter what happens, they're going to give it to Obama. The main reason for that is racial sensitivities. Superdelegates, and the Democratic party in general, will be afraid that if they don't give it to him it will be seen as racism and will cause an uproar among blacks in this country.

So congrats, Obama.

What!? The only one the SD's can 'give it to' is Clinton because Obama leads in elected and overall delegates. Of course that's also because he's black, right?

 

[imported_Lothar]

Originally posted by: CellarDoor
I actually heard today that Obama picked up an additional 4 delegates today from California, as they are still finishing counting in some areas. They say he might pick up another 1-2 in Ohio as well.

Obama just picked up a super delegate from the Hillary camp as well today.

 

[Pabster]

Originally posted by: M0RPH
However, more and more I'm seeing that no matter what happens, they're going to give it to Obama. The main reason for that is racial sensitivities. Superdelegates, and the Democratic party in general, will be afraid that if they don't give it to him it will be seen as racism and will cause an uproar among blacks in this country.

So congrats, Obama.

You reap what you sow.

And Congrats, Obama, indeed. :thumbsup: