Delegate count since March 4

[Fern]

Originally posted by: Barack Obama
I think Obama gained 4 but hilda didn't lose any, so the gap is 202 to 198.

I think 4 were taken away from Hillary, and they were added to Obama's total (she lost 4, he gained 4)

The SD's could end this thing now if, as a group, they wanted to. If they just came out and committed for Obama, she'd have no path to the nomination.

Contributors could end this thing now. If contributions dried up she'd be forced to drop out.

I wouldn't be surprised if some in the MSM started calling for her to drop out soon. Many watching this Dem campaign think it a slow motion trainwreck that will severely damage the party. And those in MSM who are Dems will continue to worry about this will likely start speaking out. I'd guess 4/22 will be the limit.

Every day I see Hillary provide more ammunition for the Repubs, whether it is her "endorsement" of McCain or remarks about her "bogus" foreign policy acheivements.

Fern

 

[chowderhead]

Originally posted by: Fern

Originally posted by: Barack Obama
I think Obama gained 4 but hilda didn't lose any, so the gap is 202 to 198.

I think 4 were taken away from Hillary, and they were added to Obama's total (she lost 4, he gained 4)

The SD's could end this thing now if, as a group, they wanted to. If they just came out and committed for Obama, she'd have no path to the nomination.

Contributors could end this thing now. If contributions dried up she'd be forced to drop out.

I wouldn't be surprised if some in the MSM started calling for her to drop out soon. Many watching this Dem campaign think it a slow motion trainwreck that will severely damage the party. And those in MSM who are Dems will continue to worry about this will likely start speaking out. I'd guess 4/22 will be the limit.

Every day I see Hillary provide more ammunition for the Repubs, whether it is her "endorsement" of McCain or remarks about her "bogus" foreign policy acheivements.

Fern

Why should she drop out? There are still contests in PA and some other states as well as a potential re-vote in Michigan and Florida. Neither can win without the support of the superdelegates. Superdelegates can vote for whoever they want. If Obama can secure the superdelegates, he will win. If she can make a better case and many superdelegates go with her, she can win.

 

[M0RPH]

Originally posted by: BlinderBomber

So Obama will get the nomination because he's black, not because he leads in every measurable metric concerning the election? I generally disagree with your point of view, but the fact you even raise the issue is disgusting.

I'm saying that even if Clinton comes back and wins the popular vote. Having won nearly all the major battleground states, given these circumstances, against anyone else she would be given the nomination by the supers. Against Obama, though, because of the race issue, nobody is going to even consider NOT giving it to him at this point.

 

[RY62]

Originally posted by: chowderhead

Originally posted by: Fern

Originally posted by: Barack Obama
I think Obama gained 4 but hilda didn't lose any, so the gap is 202 to 198.

I think 4 were taken away from Hillary, and they were added to Obama's total (she lost 4, he gained 4)

The SD's could end this thing now if, as a group, they wanted to. If they just came out and committed for Obama, she'd have no path to the nomination.

Contributors could end this thing now. If contributions dried up she'd be forced to drop out.

I wouldn't be surprised if some in the MSM started calling for her to drop out soon. Many watching this Dem campaign think it a slow motion trainwreck that will severely damage the party. And those in MSM who are Dems will continue to worry about this will likely start speaking out. I'd guess 4/22 will be the limit.

Every day I see Hillary provide more ammunition for the Repubs, whether it is her "endorsement" of McCain or remarks about her "bogus" foreign policy acheivements.

Fern

Why should she drop out? There are still contests in PA and some other states as well as a potential re-vote in Michigan and Florida. Neither can win without the support of the superdelegates. Superdelegates can vote for whoever they want. If Obama can secure the superdelegates, he will win. If she can make a better case and many superdelegates go with her, she can win.

People seem to forget that this is still a very close race. There are still plenty of delegates up for grabs and plenty of time for things to change. If the Supers come out to end it now they'll severely piss of the 46.9% who have voted for Clinton. There is only a 2.6% spread in popular vote right now, not including Florida and Michigan. 3 states, Pennsylvania, Florida, and Michigan could swing the totals around. I'm all for running it to the end and let the best candidate win. If the Dems choose Obama, McCains not such a bad second choice. At least I know he's proven to work across the isle.

 

[Fern]

Originally posted by: RY62
-snip-

People seem to forget that this is still a very close race.

Really?

I'm hearing that Hillary needs to win the remaining races by an 80/20 landslide.

Doesn't sound close at all when viewed that way.

I'm hearing the FL/MI plan for mail-in balloting (the re-do) ain't gonna happen. Not sure what will?

Fern

 

[M0RPH]

Originally posted by: Fern

Originally posted by: RY62
-snip-

People seem to forget that this is still a very close race.

I'm hearing that Hillary needs to win the remaining races by an 80/20 landslide.

That might be true if pledged delegates were the only consideration. I think you know that isn't the case.

 

[GoingUp]

Originally posted by: Mail5398
Obama is up almost 700,000 in the popular vote across the country too.

Where do you see those stats? Ive been looking for them everywhere.

 

[rockyct]

Originally posted by: Gobadgrs

Originally posted by: Mail5398
Obama is up almost 700,000 in the popular vote across the country too.

Where do you see those stats? Ive been looking for them everywhere.

http://www.realclearpolitics.c...cratic_vote_count.html

 

[chowderhead]

Originally posted by: Fern

Originally posted by: Barack Obama
I think Obama gained 4 but hilda didn't lose any, so the gap is 202 to 198.

I think 4 were taken away from Hillary, and they were added to Obama's total (she lost 4, he gained 4)

The SD's could end this thing now if, as a group, they wanted to. If they just came out and committed for Obama, she'd have no path to the nomination.

Contributors could end this thing now. If contributions dried up she'd be forced to drop out.

I wouldn't be surprised if some in the MSM started calling for her to drop out soon. Many watching this Dem campaign think it a slow motion trainwreck that will severely damage the party. And those in MSM who are Dems will continue to worry about this will likely start speaking out. I'd guess 4/22 will be the limit.

Every day I see Hillary provide more ammunition for the Repubs, whether it is her "endorsement" of McCain or remarks about her "bogus" foreign policy acheivements.

Fern

Clinton picked up 5 delegates today (4 from Colorado and 1 from NY), and 3 superdelegates and lost 1 from the Spitzer resignation (which could be replaced if Patterson resigns from the DNC and another person is added on from NY). Things move around so it is premature to say what will happen as PA, MI, FL and some others states have not weighed in.

 

[BeauJangles]

Originally posted by: M0RPH

Originally posted by: BlinderBomber

So Obama will get the nomination because he's black, not because he leads in every measurable metric concerning the election? I generally disagree with your point of view, but the fact you even raise the issue is disgusting.

I'm saying that even if Clinton comes back and wins the popular vote. Having won nearly all the major battleground states, given these circumstances, against anyone else she would be given the nomination by the supers. Against Obama, though, because of the race issue, nobody is going to even consider NOT giving it to him at this point.

So... Obama wins because he's black? Not because he's actually WINNING the election, but because the color of his skin isn't white with that, he's holding the whole democratic party hostage?

Like I said, I disagree with 90% of what you say, but what you're arguing here is absolutely disgusting.