Decriminalize Drugs ?

[Linflas]

Originally posted by: SlitheryDee

Originally posted by: TruePaige
That's well said, if I could tack on this I'd like to:

Marijuana is a depressant, true, so in some situations I'll concede it can make your depression deepen, but other cases that involve pain, or physical illness, it can lighten your depression by removing some of these hardships.

Honestly, I would be more inclined to believe that substance abuse is more often a result of depression rather than depression being a result of substance abuse anyway. If the drugs aren't the cause of the depression in the first place, then why do we fixate on them as such?

The disease depression != the effects of depressants.

 

[Whisper]

Originally posted by: preslove

Originally posted by: sao123

Originally posted by: TruePaige

Alcohol is a complete different substance to be driving under.

It's like comparing driving under the influence of heroine to having Benadryl in your system.

Marijuana slows your thinking and reaction reflexed.
Alcohol slows your thinking and reaction reflexes.

and yes, you can be charged with DUI for driving with benedryl in your system if it results in impaired driving.

Too bad the studies you linked to don't include this information.

In fact, this information is impossible to obtain, since marijuana screenings only show that a person has gotten high within a few weeks. There is no way to prove someone is high on weed in the labratory.

Actually, there are experimental studies that involve directly exposing individuals to the intoxicants in marijuana in order to examine resultant effects. However, these studies are often conducted on small samples, outside of the United States, and/or on rats/mice/monkeys.

 

[InflatableBuddha]

Originally posted by: Ns1

Originally posted by: sao123
driving under the influence of M
any other accident under the influence of M
suicide under the influence of M
overdose of some other drug while under the influence of M

In that case we should ban religion since it's clearly the most dangerous out of all drugs.

Drugs don't kill people, stupidity kills people.

:beer: QFT.

If you haven't seen Religulous yet, rent it. Friggin' hilarious movie, and does an excellent job exposing religion for the sham that it is.

 

[preslove]

Originally posted by: lupi
Yeah drug regulative never works. How is the drug problem in singapore or saudi arabia?

Why don't you move there? I'm sure you would fit right in 🙂

 

[Atheus]

Originally posted by: TruePaige
That's well said, if I could tack on this I'd like to:

Marijuana is a depressant, true, so in some situations I'll concede it can make your depression deepen, but other cases that involve pain, or physical illness, it can lighten your depression by removing some of these hardships.

Nonono, that's not what depressant means, it means SNS/CNS depressent, neuro depressant, as in it slows the functions of the body and/or the brain as part of it's action. The term has nothing whatsoever to do with depressed moods.

 

[preslove]

Originally posted by: Whisper

Originally posted by: preslove

Originally posted by: sao123

Originally posted by: TruePaige

Alcohol is a complete different substance to be driving under.

It's like comparing driving under the influence of heroine to having Benadryl in your system.

Marijuana slows your thinking and reaction reflexed.
Alcohol slows your thinking and reaction reflexes.

and yes, you can be charged with DUI for driving with benedryl in your system if it results in impaired driving.

Too bad the studies you linked to don't include this information.

In fact, this information is impossible to obtain, since marijuana screenings only show that a person has gotten high within a few weeks. There is no way to prove someone is high on weed in the labratory.

Actually, there are experimental studies that involve directly exposing individuals to the intoxicants in marijuana in order to examine resultant effects. However, these studies are often conducted on small samples, outside of the United States, and/or on rats/mice/monkeys.

There is no current lab screening to determine whether a human is under the influence of marijuana. Therefore, it is impossible to collect mortality statistics of individuals killed while driving under the influence of marijuana. Thus, sao123 is lying through his teeth.


I'd be interested in reading about these experiments, however. Got a link?

 

[Atheus]

Originally posted by: lupi
Yeah drug regulative never works. How is the drug problem in singapore or saudi arabia?

I don't know about Saudi but when I was in singapore I was offered drugs within minutes of stepping out of my hotel. I was also offered extremely questionable prostitutes which is much much worse.

 

[ApexCS]

Originally posted by: BoberFett

Originally posted by: FelixDeKat

Originally posted by: vi edit
I agree with the principal concept, but it's really hard to compare us to Portugal. They don't have Mexico & South America knocking on their southern door and I doubt that their criminal network involved in drug trafficing and distribution in no where as violent and powerful as we have here.

Agreed. It will not work here. And it has become a failure in Holland where criminal gangs are taking over the drug distribution business (surprise, surprise). The Mexican gangs are already growing pot on American federal lands. This will only further enrich them.

That's why decriminalization doesn't work. You've made taking the drug essentially legal but selling it isn't. If you're going to legalize the use you've got to legalize the sale. If WalMart sold pot the dealers would be out of business overnight.

Why do people think drugs are legal in Holland? Cannabis isn't even legal, just decriminalized. It just shows how misinformed and ignorant prohibitionist are.

Who the hell really thinks that if drugs were legalized (I believe they should be) that they would be sold in Wal-Mart or 7-11's? I can't buy scotch from my gas stations, only licensed liquor stores.

Cannabis should be sold in licensed smoke shops (I hate the term "coffee shop") and licensing and advertising procedures should be decided by the states.

Harder drugs should be available as well, but I would like to see it offered through licensed medical facilities who provide the drug free of charge but also focus on education and treatment.

 

[TruePaige]

Originally posted by: Atheus

Originally posted by: TruePaige
That's well said, if I could tack on this I'd like to:

Marijuana is a depressant, true, so in some situations I'll concede it can make your depression deepen, but other cases that involve pain, or physical illness, it can lighten your depression by removing some of these hardships.

Nonono, that's not what depressant means, it means SNS/CNS depressent, neuro depressant, as in it slows the functions of the body and/or the brain as part of it's action. The term has nothing whatsoever to do with depressed moods.

It depresses your nervous system and can worsen depression some believe. I'm not saying I buy it as a cause for depression though.

Hmm..come to think of it, on the same topic, I still have doubts that one can become depressed from drugs unless they already suffer from a chemical depression.

 

[Whisper]

Originally posted by: preslove

Originally posted by: Whisper

Originally posted by: preslove

Originally posted by: sao123

Originally posted by: TruePaige

Alcohol is a complete different substance to be driving under.

It's like comparing driving under the influence of heroine to having Benadryl in your system.

Marijuana slows your thinking and reaction reflexed.
Alcohol slows your thinking and reaction reflexes.

and yes, you can be charged with DUI for driving with benedryl in your system if it results in impaired driving.

Too bad the studies you linked to don't include this information.

In fact, this information is impossible to obtain, since marijuana screenings only show that a person has gotten high within a few weeks. There is no way to prove someone is high on weed in the labratory.

Actually, there are experimental studies that involve directly exposing individuals to the intoxicants in marijuana in order to examine resultant effects. However, these studies are often conducted on small samples, outside of the United States, and/or on rats/mice/monkeys.

There is no current lab screening to determine whether a human is under the influence of marijuana. Therefore, it is impossible to collect mortality statistics of individuals killed while driving under the influence of marijuana. Thus, sao123 is lying through his teeth.


I'd be interested in reading about these experiments, however. Got a link?

The links I've been able to find are actually only accessible through my university's online journal access/database, so providing direct links wouldn't be possible. However, searching google for terms such as "effects of cannabis/cannabinoid intoxication" would likely turn up at least a few related results.

Although again, most of the studies I've found in my brief search (substance abuse is not in any way my area of expertise) that involved direct administration of cannabinoids dealt with mice and rats.

 

[sao123]

Originally posted by: preslove

Originally posted by: TruePaige

Originally posted by: sao123

Originally posted by: TruePaige

Originally posted by: sao123

Originally posted by: TruePaige

It's true, that is why all of Sao's stats are bogus.

I remember a big story where an autopsy was performed and the cause of death was cited as marijuana and it would of been a big deal because it would of been the first time that ever happened. Turned out the person performing the autopsy was much like Sao, and looking for a way to make the holy plant seem evil. The autopsy was redone, and marijuana has never been cited as the cause of death.

if you're looking for marijuana overdoses, i dont know if r where youll find them...

but a related death, includes:

driving under the influence of M
any other accident under the influence of M
suicide under the influence of M
overdose of some other drug while under the influence of M

But I said it has never caused a death.

Related deaths are pretty bogus, for example:

I've seen studies that show people driving better under the influence of M as they were more cautious.

Any accident is automatically it's fault? Opps..fell down a manhole, Mary-J killed me!

Suicide stems from depression, a completely different beast.

Overdose of another drug killing you is the fault of that drug, not of Miss Jane.

so I guess DUI accidents arent caused by alcohol?
The drug does not have to be the absolute single cause of death: if its a contributing factor then IMO it is a valid cause.

Alcohol is a complete different substance to be driving under.

It's like comparing driving under the influence of heroine to having Benadryl in your system.

The thing is, sao123 is lying about those scenarios. Looking through the links, that information is not there.

So, not only is sao123 an idiot, but a blatant liar. The dude found some studies that he didn't read, posted numbers he didn't understand, and then claimed they included information that they do not include.

your an idiot.
I never said those 4 things were in those statistics... I said they are situations where M would be listed as a cause of death or contributing factor.

 

[SphinxnihpS]

Originally posted by: sao123

your an idiot.

 

[TruePaige]

Originally posted by: SphinxnihpS

Originally posted by: sao123

your an idiot.

You're a good quoter.

 

[SphinxnihpS]

Originally posted by: TruePaige

You're a good quoter.

Sigh ...perhaps of yore?

 

[TruePaige]

Originally posted by: SphinxnihpS

Originally posted by: TruePaige

You're a good quoter.

Sigh ...perhaps of yore?

Your letters show you're familiar with yore.

 

[Legendary]

Thousands of people die every year having eaten steak in the 24 hours previous.

BAN STEAK!

 

[TruePaige]

Originally posted by: Legendary
Thousands of people die every year having eaten steak in the 24 hours previous.

BAN STEAK!

But then they'll be nothing tasty to eat when everyone is high. 🙁

 

[SphinxnihpS]

Originally posted by: TruePaige

Your letters show you're familiar with yore.

I fear far too familiar.

 

[preslove]

Originally posted by: sao123

Originally posted by: preslove

Originally posted by: TruePaige

Originally posted by: sao123

Originally posted by: TruePaige

Originally posted by: sao123

Originally posted by: TruePaige

It's true, that is why all of Sao's stats are bogus.

I remember a big story where an autopsy was performed and the cause of death was cited as marijuana and it would of been a big deal because it would of been the first time that ever happened. Turned out the person performing the autopsy was much like Sao, and looking for a way to make the holy plant seem evil. The autopsy was redone, and marijuana has never been cited as the cause of death.

if you're looking for marijuana overdoses, i dont know if r where youll find them...

but a related death, includes:

driving under the influence of M
any other accident under the influence of M
suicide under the influence of M
overdose of some other drug while under the influence of M

But I said it has never caused a death.

Related deaths are pretty bogus, for example:

I've seen studies that show people driving better under the influence of M as they were more cautious.

Any accident is automatically it's fault? Opps..fell down a manhole, Mary-J killed me!

Suicide stems from depression, a completely different beast.

Overdose of another drug killing you is the fault of that drug, not of Miss Jane.

so I guess DUI accidents arent caused by alcohol?
The drug does not have to be the absolute single cause of death: if its a contributing factor then IMO it is a valid cause.

Alcohol is a complete different substance to be driving under.

It's like comparing driving under the influence of heroine to having Benadryl in your system.

The thing is, sao123 is lying about those scenarios. Looking through the links, that information is not there.

So, not only is sao123 an idiot, but a blatant liar. The dude found some studies that he didn't read, posted numbers he didn't understand, and then claimed they included information that they do not include.

your an idiot.
I never said those 4 things were in those statistics... I said they are situations where M would be listed as a cause of death or contributing factor.

Well, then you're as incapable of writing effectively as you are of reading and understanding academic studies.

 

[TruePaige]

Originally posted by: SphinxnihpS

Originally posted by: TruePaige

Your letters show you're familiar with yore.

I fear far too familiar.

When I became too familiar I walked to the store for some beer.

There they're known to sell their beer.

 

[sao123]

Originally posted by: preslove

Originally posted by: Whisper

Originally posted by: preslove

Originally posted by: sao123

Originally posted by: TruePaige

Alcohol is a complete different substance to be driving under.

It's like comparing driving under the influence of heroine to having Benadryl in your system.

Marijuana slows your thinking and reaction reflexed.
Alcohol slows your thinking and reaction reflexes.

and yes, you can be charged with DUI for driving with benedryl in your system if it results in impaired driving.

Too bad the studies you linked to don't include this information.

In fact, this information is impossible to obtain, since marijuana screenings only show that a person has gotten high within a few weeks. There is no way to prove someone is high on weed in the labratory.

Actually, there are experimental studies that involve directly exposing individuals to the intoxicants in marijuana in order to examine resultant effects. However, these studies are often conducted on small samples, outside of the United States, and/or on rats/mice/monkeys.

There is no current lab screening to determine whether a human is under the influence of marijuana. Therefore, it is impossible to collect mortality statistics of individuals killed while driving under the influence of marijuana. Thus, sao123 is lying through his teeth.


I'd be interested in reading about these experiments, however. Got a link?

No test?
Text
Even your own MaryJ support group knows there there is a blood test which will detemine Use within the last few hours.

Blood tests, unlike urinalysis, detect the presence illicit drugs, not inactive drug metabolites. In general, THC only remains detectable in the blood of cannabis consumers for a few hours (though low, residual levels may be detected in chronic smokers for up to 12-24+ hours if more sensitive technology is used). Because of this narrow detection window, blood tests are typically only administered in the workplace post-accident in order to estimate recent cannabis consumption. Therefore, most after-hours consumers have little to fear from a blood screen.

 

[SphinxnihpS]

Originally posted by: TruePaige

Originally posted by: SphinxnihpS

Originally posted by: TruePaige

Your letters show you're familiar with yore.

I fear far too familiar.

When I became too familiar I walked to the store for some beer.

There they're known to sell their beer.

Sum guise our sew fore chew Nate. Butt ewe no watt daze eh, 'bet her Nate then leave her'.

 

[us3rnotfound]

As I search Google for "effects of marijuana" almost all the links say that it has more cancer-causing agents than tobacco. Yet, I keep hearing from the legalization activists side of the debate "marijuana has caused 0 deaths." Something just doesn't add up, who's wrong? Forgive my ignorance in this issue.

 

[Atheus]

Originally posted by: us3rnotfound
As I search Google for "effects of marijuana" almost all the links say that it has more cancer-causing agents than tobacco. Yet, I keep hearing from the legalization activists side of the debate "marijuana has caused 0 deaths." Something just doesn't add up, who's wrong? Forgive my ignorance in this issue.

It only causes cancer if you smoke it. The purist might eat it or use a vaporizer, so it's the smoke, not the drug which is the problem. I smoke it though - fuck it I already smoke cigarettes. Besides you only need to inhale a tiny quentity of good cannabis smoke to get stoned, wheras a 20-cigarette-day involves over an hour spent just inhaling smoke...

 

[FuzzyDunlop]

Originally posted by: vi edit

Originally posted by: Shadow Conception

Originally posted by: vi edit
I agree with the principal concept, but it's really hard to compare us to Portugal. They don't have Mexico & South America knocking on their southern door and I doubt that their criminal network involved in drug trafficing and distribution in no where as violent and powerful as we have here.

So what would happen if marijuana were decriminalized, or even legalized in the United States? Drug cartels declare war on the U.S. government to prohibit it again..?

If the product is legal to use, then there's more incentive to sell it regardless if it's still not legal to sell. Walmart and 7-11 aren't the wholesale distribution and retail vendor for weed. Philip Morris isn't producing it. Those networks (gangs/cartels/whatever) are still there trying to collect a profit. Much of the violence and activities surrounding the delivery and sales of it are still going to be present. If not even more so now that there is potenially more demand.

agreed.
but i dont think there will be any more demand because people who dont use drugs now wont suddenly decide that its a good idea to start because its not a criminal offense anymore.