amazing...where is ATOT's famed irrational hatred of all things religious?
ah, there we go. I was wondering where all the bigots had gone.
amazing...where is ATOT's famed irrational hatred of all things religious?
ah, there we go. I was wondering where all the bigots had gone.
I think something is being left out here. "Banning the Declaration of Independence" because it contains the word God is one thing (and that doesn't seem to be the case, nice and accurate thread title), but preventing a teacher from using a historical document to push the idea that the US is founded as a Christian nation on a group of students, many of whom are non-Christian, is a different story.
That does not make it any more accurate. Reuters should maybe strive for a little less bias as well...
This isn't ATOT
I think this guy has his motives, we'll just have to wait to see how this situation pans out.
Yeah, sorry, I guess I didn't make that clear enough. I'm not blaming the OP for this one, just questioning the accuracy of the phrase.
Just the tip of the Iceberg.
The DOI will be replaced by Bush Regime approved documents soon enough.
The DOI will be replaced by Bush Regime approved documents soon enough.
Oh ok...my mistake as well then
A month or so ago, there were a few different threads where multiple posters were going after the OP based on the thread title--also verbatim cut 'n' pastes of linked article titles.
Not absolutely an invalid argument but it did shift foci from the original topics, degrading the arguments into irrelevant flame wars
Could be -- but this will remain speculation until more information is disclosed.
Agreed.
What does being asian have to do with being interested in having religion shoved down their kids' throats? wtf? Is anyone interested in having religion 'shoved' down their kids' throats?
Are you saying asian immigrants are less tolerant or religious themselves? A way higher percentage of Chinese people are religious than white people IME. My two best friends are Chinese -- one is Buddhist, the other is Christian.
Do you know any asian people?
I'm having to assume that you don't know many very well, because that sh!t is borderline racist. People assume others don't have religion just because they aren't white or north american.
EDIT: I'm white, don't know why my avatar is black -- the reason I say this is I don't want you to think I speak as someone who is the victim of racism.
Oh, also, my Malaysian friend's mom was telling me how the people in her country see North America as a centre of materialism and amorality.
I also edited out "and are 'less advanced'" from my last official paragraph, it was uncalled for in this case.
Lolley roffel.
This is what its about. He is cramming religious revisionist history down his students throats. Its about as historically accurate as creationism is scientifically accurate.
One question: Is the Declaration of Independence an important historical document that should be part of required education for PUBLIC SCHOOL (ie., funded by the government whose existence stems from that same document)?
Is history now "right wing"? :roll:[/quote]
History has always been right wing and always will be, because it concerns itself with the great and their acts, and not they effect of those acts on those below. Noone knows or cares about the ten of millions of natives and african who died in the first years of colonization of this continent.
If you want to see what a liberal history of the united states looks like, read this and the the truth behind your county.
Originally posted by: SuperTool
You are a racebaiter and an ignoramus
Fine, ignore all of my comments, questions, and respond with a personal attack.
(Oh, and I edited out the 'less advanced' part before your posting time (you can check this) to make it less racebaity -- I was seriously concerned about your post, and wanted a serious response.)
Read paragraph 41 of the complain. It says he chose those articles specifically because they contained references to religion and God. If that was the topic and he didn't include the treaty of Tripoli, which is not listed, then he just brainwashing these kids with one side of the story. The last paragraph sums up his agenda perfectly.
This guy is going to lose. If he thinks that the 1st ammendment says that he can teach whatever he wants to kids while on school district's time, he doesn't understand the constitution, and should not be teaching the subject.
This guy is going to lose. If he thinks that the 1st ammendment says that he can teach whatever he wants to kids while on school district's time, he doesn't understand the constitution, and should not be teaching the subject.
From TFA:
"Williams wants to teach his students the true history of our country,"
This sentence could be pretty loaded. Saying Williams wants to teach the 'true' history of the country with regards to religion suggests a contrast; that those who teach history without heavy references to religion are teaching a 'false' history.
Also, the lawyer is focusing on the Declaration of Independance being banned, while it isn't apparent that it was explicitly banned - only that references to God were prohibited.
Makes you wonder if the teacher wanted this to be made an issue all along.
"Williams wants to teach his students the true history of our country,"
This sentence could be pretty loaded. Saying Williams wants to teach the 'true' history of the country with regards to religion suggests a contrast; that those who teach history without heavy references to religion are teaching a 'false' history.
Also, the lawyer is focusing on the Declaration of Independance being banned, while it isn't apparent that it was explicitly banned - only that references to God were prohibited.
Makes you wonder if the teacher wanted this to be made an issue all along.
You guys been reading very long?
Now, why is it that you all automatically ASSUME the teacher has an agenda? Its just as likely, and more probable judging from the story, that the principle is pushing HER agenda of religious hatred and intolerance. Says quite a bit about you guys that none of you bothered to even consider that. You all are just all about truth, fairness, and openmindedness right? *snort*
TuxDave
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Well, you see, this thread started off with everyone assuming the principal had a religion-phobia and was a nutjob for banning the declaration of independence from a history class. Then we came in and said, 'hey, you don't know the whole picture, for all you know the teacher could have a secret agenda'. So you see, the first reaction was to blame the principal. Got it?
I just wish I knew where supertool found the detailed report of the complaint. I think it'll be easier to make a final judgement from there.
Red Dawn
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Step away from the mirror and put the straw down. I think the reason many are assuming the Teacher has the agenda is due to the fact that that the Prinicipal would be creating a sh!t storm for himself if he was promoting an agenda of religious hatred by prohibiting references to god and jeebus if they are included in state and district approved school text and books.
Well, LOGIC tells me that since the teacher only wanted to present excerpts from each of these materials (including the DoI), this teacher does have an agenda. *snort*
Again, Bay Area decision-makers have been known to do pretty silly things like this, regardless of what any resultant shit storm would look like
That's why I'm waiting for more details before passing judgment...
Perhaps, but during my stay in "Bezerkly," I heard of similarly silly issues from cities as affluent and relatively conservative as Hillsboro and Palo Alto.
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