Dec. Steam Hardware Survey - AMD maintains DX11 dominance at near 80% of the market.

[Obsoleet]

This was the first month I've been asked to submit my details in years.

IMO, Steam surveys are the only and best way to judge hardware stats. Just my opinion as I said. Guys like me who actually purchase cards to play games, are almost always on Steam, it's pretty tough to avoid if you're a PC gamer and thus, I am pretty confident in their figures. Definitely the most interesting and relevant hardware poll in existence.

 

[Aristotelian]

Hmmmm.... from your link


Then look at my link from above


Seems the 5xxx sales were just a drop in the bucket.

You're using the wrong bucket. Try the one labelled "DX11 sales".

 

[Lonyo]

This was the first month I've been asked to submit my details in years.

IMO, Steam surveys are the only and best way to judge hardware stats. Just my opinion as I said. Guys like me who actually purchase cards to play games, are almost always on Steam, it's pretty tough to avoid if you're a PC gamer and thus, I am pretty confident in their figures. Definitely the most interesting and relevant hardware poll in existence.

Maybe.
But it's not a measure of marketshare or sales. Even of Steam users, since, like you say, people don't always get asked.

 

[Meghan54]

Seems the 5xxx sales were just a drop in the bucket.

Of course they were, considering you're taking their sales volume and comparing it to all gpu sales, which includes the market dominating IGP gpu sales.

Then again, you could also say it seems GTX 4xx sales were just a smaller drop in the bucket than the 5xxx sales.

And from another view point, you could be less inflammatory and say gamer DX11 cards sales are just a drop in the bucket as compared to overall gpu sales....which is also a fact.

 

[Voo]

But it's not a measure of marketshare or sales. Even of Steam users, since, like you say, people don't always get asked.

So no survey is an actual measure of marketshare or sales, because you never ask all people? The steam survey has a larger N than pretty much every professional survey done in every area and while the users are not completely independent, steam represents almost the complete gaming market with their range of games (except flash gamers)

 

[ArchAngel777]

This was the first month I've been asked to submit my details in years.

IMO, Steam surveys are the only and best way to judge hardware stats. Just my opinion as I said. Guys like me who actually purchase cards to play games, are almost always on Steam, it's pretty tough to avoid if you're a PC gamer and thus, I am pretty confident in their figures. Definitely the most interesting and relevant hardware poll in existence.

I tend to agree with you. I think the hardware survey provides some really good information. Although, just like any data, it can be misused to push an agenda. Welcome to statistics...

 

[Lonyo]

So no survey is an actual measure of marketshare or sales, because you never ask all people? The steam survey has a larger N than pretty much every professional survey done in every area and while the users are not completely independent, steam represents almost the complete gaming market with their range of games (except flash gamers)

I know for a fact it's historically not been representative of sales.

http://forums.anandtech.com/showpost.php?p=29892571&postcount=33
(Here's one I made earlier)

 

[bryanW1995]

Basic math FTL for both of you...

There's no telling who did better with just those numbers alone. Example:

Nov total numbers:
200k - nVidia = 20%
800k - AMD = 80%
1M - total

Dec - each one sold 100k more - meaning both did the same:
300k - nVidia
900k - AMD
1.2M total - 25% nVidia vs 75% AMD.

If you wanted AMD to have the same % each month, they would need to sell 4x as many cards as nVidia every month (provided a 20% vs 80% split)... With both selling the same amount every month the % numbers will eventually go towards 50/50.

What can be said based on those numbers is that early-to-market does have a huge impact on who owns what. Fermi launched 8 months ago and nVidia doesn't even have a quarter of the market for DX11 yet.

EDIT: It also means that it's impossible to tell who sold more units - we don't know how big in numbers the Steam survey is. nVidia could sell half of what AMD did and still increase their %.

a better comparison is 5800/5700 series vs all nvidia cards. ~52% vs 22%. nvidia still doesn't have the low end covered in dx11, and midrange is barely covered. first to market is important, but being there at all is much more so.

not sure if we can tell anything at all yet about next gen release schedule. until the recent launch I would have bet on amd to be first again, now I'm not so sure.

 

[bryanW1995]

Can't we just ban these threads?
Having to go through this crap once a month gets boring.

This post is an official request to ban creation of threads about the Steam hardware survey.

I don't think that these threads are necessarily bad. sometimes steam favors one camp, but it's still useful info to have. if people don't like the info they should just read other threads.

 

[Lonbjerg]

This would be relevant:
http://www.techpowerup.com/gpuz/stats.php

 

[Wreckage]

This would be relevant:
http://www.techpowerup.com/gpuz/stats.php

NVIDIA at around 60% and DX11 at 5%.


Huh.

 

[Qbah]

This would be relevant:
http://www.techpowerup.com/gpuz/stats.php

"Great" stats... Not one user with Windows 7 D: Nothing newer than GT200/HD48xx listed apart from a vague 5% for DX11... Yep, those seem "fine" to me. They don't even say when was this list last updated...

EDIT: I went to a computer electronics shop recently... While waiting in the line, I watched two people buying a Radeon card (a HD5770 and a HD5670) and one buying an nVidia one (was a GT240). Based on that AMD is outselling nVidia 2:1 !!!!!111one

 

[taltamir]

EDIT: I went to a computer electronics shop recently... While waiting in the line, I watched two people buying a Radeon card (a HD5770 and a HD5670) and one buying an nVidia one (was a GT240). Based on that AMD is outselling nVidia 2:1 !!!!!111one

since this thread is only looking at DX11, and the GT240 is DX10 while both AMD cards DX11, then they are outselling nvidia 2:0 = infinity to nothing.

 

[Grooveriding]

I'm looking forward to seeing the Steam survey as it pans out over the next six months with the 69XX and 5XX series cards being on the market.

There was a lot of talk about how the 460 was going to regain all the lost ground for NV and the Steam numbers are not showing that with AMD still having a good 80% of the DX11 marketshare.

It will be interesting to see how it shakes out as the 69XX and 5XX cards start to make more of an appearance in the results.

As per some other threads here, there are rumors of AMD price hikes on the 69XX cards. Whether it is due to lack of supply or they are selling out fast is unknown.

 

[-Slacker-]

This would be relevant:
http://www.techpowerup.com/gpuz/stats.php

Not sure how you could have missed the part where windows 7 isn't in the chart.

 

[bryanW1995]

If you compare the gtx400 series cards vs. the hd5800 series cards, Nvidia actually closed the gap considerably (22% vs. 29%). Howver, being so late with the a mediocre value performance card (gts450) allowed the hd5770 and 5750 to mop up the $120-160 price range for a long time and help AMD maintain a volume numbers in dx11 share.

seems odd that gts 450 would be so miniscule as to not even be included.

 

[bryanW1995]

Your posts are thread-crap in their current form and posting location, wrong venue, start a new thread in Moderator Discussions clearly stating your proposal and we will engage in the discussion in that venue.

For now the same old adage applies...you can read the thread title from the VC&G sub-forum homepage, you know what is going to be inside the thread, no one hacked your computer and made your mouse click on the thread's hyperlink, no one forced you to add a new post, no one required you to add thread-crap to the thread.

If you have nothing constructive to add to the thread then you are expected to refrain from posting in it.

That is true of all threads, this one is no more or less special than any other thread when it comes to forum posting guidelines and expectations.



Done to death and yet still relevant to have the discussion as we continually add new members to our ranks, registered as well as visiting lurkers, and so long as people are willing to invest their time and effort into having a cerebral and respectful discussion regarding the topic (example here) then the topic is clearly relevant to the community and as such serves a purpose for the community.

Otherwise the thread would not garner posts and would quickly fall off the front-page altogether.

Moderator Idontcare

quit reading my mind!!!

 

[bryanW1995]

I find the data interesting because of how it points to great relevancy of getting to market first with cards on a new process or cards introducing the latest DX API.

AMD capitalized big-time with the 5870/5850 launch and nvidia lost out and is still picking up the dregs rather than eating the main course.

If you have a better source of DX11 hardware market share numbers, please share it.

We will very likely see the same thing happen late this year with 28nm parts if there is again a failure by Nvidia or alternately AMD to not release their parts closely in time with the opposing company.

Although I'll wager nvidia is now on a mission to not screw-up like that again.

But I see AMD with the advantage as they have Global Foundries and TSMC. There is still nothing solid to say that Global will be producing 28nm GPUs though, but there is data that they are prepping 28nm production, so it's a very real possibility. If they are ready significantly earlier than TSMC, AMD may strike while the iron is hot again.

I find it interesting that the new partnership with GF is getting so much admiration. Don't get me wrong, in the long run it's probably a very good move, but tsmc has a LOT more experience manufacturing gpus than GF does. If anything, I would expect GF to push their launch schedule back.

 

[Imp]

I didn't submit anything the last time they requested it. Wanted to, but something popped up, and I had to do something extra, so I just cancelled.

Yay, AMD? Just got another AMD card, wanted to go back to Nvidia, but relatively higher power consumption, and pricing stopped me.

 

[Voo]

I know for a fact it's historically not been representative of sales.

http://forums.anandtech.com/showpost.php?p=29892571&postcount=33
(Here's one I made earlier)

Okay, so it's evident that steam users that take part in the survey are more probable to have better hardware - not that surprising, considering that they're more likely to play much, i.e. have steam and are probably more interested in sharing their data. But what makes you think, that there's any vendor skew?

I also wouldn't use steam to get a feeling how much IGPs are sold.

 

[bryanW1995]

I'm looking forward to seeing the Steam survey as it pans out over the next six months with the 69XX and 5XX series cards being on the market.

There was a lot of talk about how the 460 was going to regain all the lost ground for NV and the Steam numbers are not showing that with AMD still having a good 80% of the DX11 marketshare.

It will be interesting to see how it shakes out as the 69XX and 5XX cards start to make more of an appearance in the results.

As per some other threads here, there are rumors of AMD price hikes on the 69XX cards. Whether it is due to lack of supply or they are selling out fast is unknown.

most likely due to supply constraints. I read on launch day that in early/mid january msrp was going to increase ~ $20. maybe they really did have supply issues on ramp-up instead of instead of just manufacturing/software issues as many of us (including me) thought.

until nvidia has low end dx11 cards out in volume we're not going to see a very clear picture. right now gtx 460 768 is their only real mid/low volume card (since gts 450 sales seem to be so anemic), they have lots of room to get down into the $50-100 price range still.

 

[Lonyo]

Okay, so it's evident that steam users that take part in the survey are more probable to have better hardware - not that surprising, considering that they're more likely to play much, i.e. have steam and are probably more interested in sharing their data. But what makes you think, that there's any vendor skew?

I also wouldn't use steam to get a feeling how much IGPs are sold.

Bundling games with cards?
Just Cause 2 requires Steam and ships with many new NV cards.
Also Mafia 2.

 

[lavaheadache]

NVIDIA at around 60% and DX11 at 5%.


Huh.

I feel as though you are starting to hint that DX 11 is irrelevant? care to clarify?

 

[Grooveriding]

I find it interesting that the new partnership with GF is getting so much admiration. Don't get me wrong, in the long run it's probably a very good move, but tsmc has a LOT more experience manufacturing gpus than GF does. If anything, I would expect GF to push their launch schedule back.

I'd agree if they were only using GF, but as they also have TSMC, they may be in the position of getting whoever is ready first.

On the chance that GF is ready before TSMC, AMD can come to market first again. Alternately if they are ready in tandem, but NV and AMD find the same initial yield issues, AMD can also pull chips from GF, that could still weigh in their favor as they could keep more cards on the shelves while NV is running OOS.