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brycejones said:
I think before we can have any meaningful discussions. You need to learn the difference between facts and opinions.

And stop lying
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Ill let you avoid telling us what you think about the debt because you are afraid to. I understand.


ch33zw1z said:
Fact: GOP doesn’t care and spends anyways, but on the few instead of the many
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Yes, we have contributed to the debt mess we are in now. But now that we want to get cuts, isnt that ok?

If you feel that we should wait until the next round of budget discussions versus using the debt ceiling as leverage for cuts, then you should probably state that.
 
FelixDeCat said:
Ill let you avoid telling us what you think about the debt because you are afraid to. I understand.




Yes, we have contributed to the debt mess we are in now. But now that we want to get cuts, isnt that ok?

If you feel that we should wait until the next round of budget discussions versus using the debt ceiling as leverage for cuts, then you should probably state that.
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The GOP’s consistent policy is to give money to the ruling class, and cut for the have nots. You wanna offer something else, go right ahead, but haven’t seen or heard anything different from the go-to GOP game plan
 
FelixDeCat said:
Ill let you avoid telling us what you think about the debt because you are afraid to. I understand.




Yes, we have contributed to the debt mess we are in now. But now that we want to get cuts, isnt that ok?

If you feel that we should wait until the next round of budget discussions versus using the debt ceiling as leverage for cuts, then you should probably state that.
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Oh Felix, you believe the GOP? Lol
 
FelixDeCat said:
Ill let you avoid telling us what you think about the debt because you are afraid to. I understand.




Yes, we have contributed to the debt mess we are in now. But now that we want to get cuts, isnt that ok?

If you feel that we should wait until the next round of budget discussions versus using the debt ceiling as leverage for cuts, then you should probably state that.
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Before you start talking about the national debt, you really need to learn about it first. Are you aware that the US has been in debt since it's inception except for 1 time in 1835? Do you even understand national debt at all? (we already know you don't).

You keep talking about cuts.. but what would you cut? Would you do what the GOP wants to do, and basically make cuts that are equivalent to you making cuts to your food budget, your housing budget, your children's education budget, etc, all while maintaining your luxury budget like new cars, computers, partying and dancing every weekend? all while also reducing your income? I know other's have asked you what you would cut, and you have yet to give a legitimate honest response.. how about we start there before you start questioning anyone else about their opinion.. Man the fuck up and answer. It will be interesting for us to see what you ideas are that nobody has thought of for nearly 200 years.
 
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NWRMidnight said:
Before you start talking about the national debt, you really need to learn about it first. Are you aware that the US has been in debt since it's inception except for 1 time in 1835? Do you even understand national debt at all? (we already know you don't).

You keep talking about cuts.. but what would you cut? Would you do what the GOP wants to do, and basically make cuts that are equivalent to you making cuts to your food budget, your housing budget, your children's education budget, etc, all while maintaining your luxury budget like new cars, computers, partying and dancing every weekend? all while also reducing your income? I know other's have asked you what you would cut, and you have yet to give a legitimate honest response.. how about we start there before you start questioning anyone else about their opinion.. Man the fuck up and answer. It will be interesting for us to see what you ideas are that nobody has thought of for nearly 200 years.
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"Man the fuck up"? Really? I am the only man in America brave enough to tell all the others in this country its time to wake up and stop adding to our debt load. You are the one to that needs to "man the fuck up" and realize our spending habits are UNSUSTAINABLE.

I have already mentioned in the this thread that I want a 10% across the board cut to all programs to start. And for every dollar of proposed tax increases, we need $3 in spending cuts in future budgets with the difference going to existing debt reduction.

Yes, its going to suck for everyone. But its time to pay the piper.
 
FelixDeCat said:
"Man the fuck up"? Really? I am the only man in America brave enough to tell all the others in this country its time to wake up and stop adding to our debt load. You are the one to that needs to "man the fuck up" and realize our spending habits are UNSUSTAINABLE.

I have already mentioned in the this thread that I want a 10% across the board cut to all programs to start. And for every dollar of proposed tax increases, we need $3 in spending cuts in future budgets with the difference going to existing debt reduction.

Yes, its going to suck for everyone. But its time to pay the piper.
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You keep saying this and yet you can provide zero evidence as to why what you’re saying is correct. I mean you’ve been wrong for years and years and years - why are you right now?

At what point would you admit you were wrong?
 
NWRMidnight said:
Before you start talking about the national debt, you really need to learn about it first. Are you aware that the US has been in debt since it's inception except for 1 time in 1835? Do you even understand national debt at all? (we already know you don't).

You keep talking about cuts.. but what would you cut? Would you do what the GOP wants to do, and basically make cuts that are equivalent to you making cuts to your food budget, your housing budget, your children's education budget, etc, all while maintaining your luxury budget like new cars, computers, partying and dancing every weekend? all while also reducing your income? I know other's have asked you what you would cut, and you have yet to give a legitimate honest response.. how about we start there before you start questioning anyone else about their opinion.. Man the fuck up and answer. It will be interesting for us to see what you ideas are that nobody has thought of for nearly 200 years.
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I would start with the military budget.
 
FelixDeCat said:
"Man the fuck up"? Really? I am the only man in America brave enough to tell all the others in this country its time to wake up and stop adding to our debt load. You are the one to that needs to "man the fuck up" and realize our spending habits are UNSUSTAINABLE.

I have already mentioned in the this thread that I want a 10% across the board cut to all programs to start. And for every dollar of proposed tax increases, we need $3 in spending cuts in future budgets with the difference going to existing debt reduction.

Yes, its going to suck for everyone. But its time to pay the piper.
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Yes, man the fuck up! No, you are not being a man when you call for blanket cuts across the board to "programs".. what the fuck are programs? You sound like the national budget is for a theater and entertainment. That is not a fucking legitimate answer.. All that answer is a dumbass motherfucker who doesn't understand a damn thing about national debt, or what CAN and CAN'T be cut, because everything can't be cut across the board.. Can you cut everything in your household 10% across the board? FUCK NO! and if you say yes, you are a lying bitch! So, man the fuck up and learn about our national debt, and come up with legitimate cuts that can be made.. because a blanket answer is a bitch answer.

You need to list specific cuts, as well as lay out the effects/results of what those cuts will do. IF you can't do that, then you don't have a fucking clue!
 
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blackangst1 said:
I would start with the military budget.
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What would you cut in the military budget that won't leave us vulnerable? You can't just say cut military spending, without understanding or knowing what the costs are, and how those cuts will effect or apply to in the military and how it will effect us world wide and maintaining our military dominance.
 
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NWRMidnight said:
What would you cut in the military budget that won't leave us vulnerable? You can't just say cut military spending, without understanding or knowing what the costs are, and how those cuts will effect or apply to in the military and how it will effect us world wide and maintaining us being the strongest military in the world.
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I honestly dont know. I dont sit in budget committee meetings, nor do I think anywhere here does. But Ive read in several places over the last few years how bloated it is.
 
blackangst1 said:
I honestly dont know. I dont sit in budget committee meetings, nor do I think anywhere here does. But Ive read in several places over the last few years how bloated it is.
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So, if you honestly don't know, and you are going off of articles that make the claim the budget is bloated, but have no actual knowledge, do you think it's appropriate to call for cuts with out any knowledge of it? I am willing to bet those articles are all opinion pieces with no real indication of what is spent on what, and had no fact to back them up.. if they had, you wouldn't have to tell us you honestly don't know because you would have some sort of factual knowledge to base a decision on.

How much money do you think it takes to keep our military up and running here at the states? World wide? How much do you think it costs to maintain our bases around the world, pay the military members, R&D, weapons, armament, replacement of equipment, etc? Don't you think you should do some research so you have at least an idea of how that money is spent, rather than going off of people say our military budget is bloated before you make a claim it's budget should be cut? Out of all those articles you read, did anyone even touch what the military budget covers and what it takes to cover those expenses? IF not, don't you think that is an important piece of information needed to make a claim of something being bloated?
 
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I’m also not sure why we need to cut government spending. It’s not particularly high by developed nation standards.

These discussions usually involve calls for massive cuts and dire predictions of disaster in the future but nobody can explain when or how it will happen. (Because it won’t)
 
NWRMidnight said:
What would you cut in the military budget that won't leave us vulnerable? You can't just say cut military spending, without understanding or knowing what the costs are, and how those cuts will effect or apply to in the military and how it will effect us world wide and maintaining our military dominance.
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There is tons of fat that can be cut from the DoD budget. A simple look at just how much we have spent for decades compared to all other nations should be proof enough.
 
alien42 said:
There is tons of fat that can be cut from the DoD budget. A simple look at just how much we have spent for decades compared to all other nations should be proof enough.
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Can you point us to any of those other nations that are as powerful and advanced as our military? Do you think we would have our military dominance, and bases around the world if we spent what those countries did? Can you really compare what we spend and what other's spend when non of them can match our military power? What fat would you suggest we cut that won't weaken our military? Why do you suppose that 100 nations around the world purchase military equipment from the US? Could it be because they don't budget for R&D, don't have the money for it, or don't have the ability to develop and make such equipment? Have you ever stopped to think about what the extra money the US spends on the military has done for us military wise? I am guessing not.
 
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NWRMidnight said:
Can you point us to any of those other nations that are as powerful and advanced as our military? Do you think we would have our military dominance, and bases around the world if we spent what those countries did? Can you really compare what we spend and what other's spend when non of them can match our military power? What fat would you suggest we cut that won't weaken our military? Why do you suppose that 100 nations around the world purchase military equipment from the US? Could it be because they don't budget for R&D, don't have the money for it, or don't have the ability to develop and make such equipment? Have you ever stopped to think about what the extra money the US spends on the military has done for us military wise? I am guessing not.
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You could cut our DoD budget in half and we are still outspending every other nation. A decade ago we spent over 3 times what China spent.

Do you really think $640 toilet seats and $7600 coffee makers aren't a waste of money?

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alien42 said:
You could cut our DoD budget in half and we are still outspending every other nation. A decade ago we spent over 3 times what China spent.
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By a longshot.

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I'm not picking at individual line items in the DoD budget. But, as someone that has spent their entire career over multiple decades in ONLY defense related programs, there is absolutely a ton of dead weight that can be cut and we'd still maintain our strategic dominance.

You could trim the Virginia class sub line by 10% and save something like $20B. That's one program.
 
FelixDeCat said:
"Man the fuck up"? Really? I am the only man in America brave enough to tell all the others in this country its time to wake up and stop adding to our debt load. You are the one to that needs to "man the fuck up" and realize our spending habits are UNSUSTAINABLE.

I have already mentioned in the this thread that I want a 10% across the board cut to all programs to start. And for every dollar of proposed tax increases, we need $3 in spending cuts in future budgets with the difference going to existing debt reduction.

Yes, its going to suck for everyone. But its time to pay the piper.
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You never answered my question a few pages back, who was president when we got rid of the deficit? The name eludes me.
 
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