debating a topic...(relevance of grammar when arguing against an idea?)

[pamchenko]

when ppl in a thread are debating, how key is punctuation/caps...esp in this electronic age? as long as the meaning is conveyed properly, I think those whose main argument is "how can you be right regarding this issue, when in fact you are too stupid to write well?" this argument makes no sense because it is not relevant to the issue at hand. I think if you feel otherwise from what someone is saying, you should attack his foundation and logic, and not his grammar... do you see the gore call bush a retard on the debates? it is not relevant and it only makes the flamer look bad... whatever I say, I'm willing to defend or ... if you're lucky/convincing enough, cede because I was wrong and a better/more accurate idea has come fwd.... so if you're gonna post in my threads, don't knock my grammar... I can write reasonably well, and I may come off as writing poorly because I think faster than I could type (as most ppl do)

 

[konichiwa]

Don't give us this bullsh*t post about how "people" shoudln't attack other "people's" grammar in "threads" -- if you have something to say to those attacking YOUR grammar in YOUR thread, then say it in there.

 

[Viper GTS]

Here's a topic to debate, why haven't you been banned yet?

Viper GTS

 

[bobtist]

I just don't see the reasoning in not using correct grammar, spelling, and punctuation. I don't bash people when they choose not to use the language correctly, though. Maybe a little tease at a funny typo, but...

 

[pamchenko]

i felt it was off topic and would have taken my thread in a direction I didnt' want it to go in... I'll post this thread in my other thread...

 

[pamchenko]

why should i be banned? because many disagree with me? am I purposely being malicious in any way? lets not supress ideas here gals and guys.

 

[palad]

Sloppiness over grammar can often (not always) be a sign of general sloppiness of thought; that is, if you do not look over your sentences carefully before committing to them, how can we be sure that you have looked over your thoughts carefully before committing to them?

 

[BoberFett]

Haha, this is aimed at me. Bring it pal.

Actually you're correct, grammar shouldn't matter. In fact, why should speech matter? Why not just grunt and beat your chest like the rest of your family. That'll get the desired meaning across.


gaaaaaaaa
me tough
make fun of person
he loser
gaaaaaaaa

 

[konichiwa]

<< am I purposely being malicious in any way? >>

Reality check, reality check on aisle 5. Please re-read your post. Ass.

 

[Viper GTS]

why should i be banned? because many disagree with me?

No, because you're being an obnoxious little turd. Your critique of Zippy's poem should have been locked LONG ago.

Viper GTS

 

[Regine]

<< Your critique of Zippy's poem should have been locked LONG ago. >>


Yes, it should have been.

 

[Rio Rebel]

If what you have to say is important, it's important enough to make sure your ideas are understood. Making a slip of a verb tense or spelling error is one thing, but a post riddled with grammatical errors and run-on sentences is a bother, and it tells me that the author's thoughts aren't worth spending time to understand.

 

[pamchenko]

konichiwa there is no need to use vulgarity.
bober, you've never typed fast or used abbreivated text to convey ideas? this is a personal preference of mine that's all. as long as my ideas are conveyed to my satisfaction...that's what counts.
and regarding potential sloppiness as seen in writing, I'll hafta thk about that one...cuz it is a possibilty.
edit: bober, does anyone really talk like that &quot;gaa me tough blah blah,&quot; then ask yourself, are there those on the msg boards that type fast and use abbreviated text (sentences that run on with ellipsis, little to no punctuation)?

 

[konichiwa]

<< you've never typed fast or used abbreivated text to convey ideas? >>

(I'll answer as if it were addressed to me...)

<< ppl >>
<< esp >>
<< the gore >>
<< cede >>
<< fwd >>
<< ppl >>

This is all from one paragraph. A little much, eh?

 

[palad]

Of course, there is always the idea that sloppiness in writing is an indicator of low self-esteem. Perhaps you have no respect for yourself, and think that there is no way that anyone else will take you seriously, therefore you only partially 'commit' to what you write. In essense, you are not fully secure enough to submit your complete thoughts to others, and so you abbreviate and cut corners, thereby truncating your ideas and defeating them (symbolically) before someone else can have the chance.

Or this could just be a load of psychobabble crap.

 

[BoberFett]

pamchenko

Obviously sarcasm is lost on you. Even so, your speech is only slightly higher up the sophistication scale than what I typed there. Perhaps you'd best forget med school and take some refresher grade school level courses.

 

[Azraele]

pamchenko: I agree with Viper and the others. You're a disgrace to OT. Go crawl back under the rock from whence you came. You have nothing of value to say.

 

[Regine]

<< Obviously sarcasm is lost on you >>


Obviously.

Ridiculing a board member just isn't taken lightly here - we feel like we're a big family, so we stick up for one another.
Then going and posting stereotypes about women (whether in fun or not) is not going to win you any friends on here.

 

[pamchenko]

palad, I have no idea how I would identify that in myself as that if a possibilty that rests in a subconscious state... though it is a possibilty...but i don't thk it's true as I think to myself that what I say is important (though this could be overcompensation for a deeper insecurity?)
it is not a bunch of pyschobabble crap, it was well thought out and more involved than replies to my threads that are generally &quot;you suck&quot;

 

I hardly watch my grammar on the internet.
Frankly because its of no business or critical importance.
And really, who cares if you can type perfectly?
If you needed it to be perfect, then you check it over.
But when your doing something recreationally, whats the big deal?

 

[Comp10]

Logically your right, someone?s grammar in an argument does not have the slightest influence on whether or not he has a valid argument, that is assuming the subject being argued is unrelated to grammar. To suggest otherwise would be to commit one of the informal fallacies of logic.

 

[pamchenko]

sammy, the big deal is that some who can't find a good argument against your ideas will try to take the topic astray and pick on grammar so as to pretend like they have substance.

 

[Regine]

Writing makes an impression on the people that you communicate with. Typos, sloppy writing, misspelling, whatever.
Your writing makes a bad impression - especially in an argument.

 

[pamchenko]

<< Typos, sloppy writing, misspelling, whatever. >>


would it be fair if I said this was a sentence fragment and that your ideas are clearly fragmented and incoherent? no. but based on your logic, you could have.

 

[dopcombo]

Hmm.....

The internet has allowed the written word to become much more verbal, much more direct. People no longer write in long, roundabout ways to convert an idea, simply because most people type like they write.

Yet, if you want your message to be read by an audience older than 5, it is generally considered a COURTESY to write it in a legible manner, and minimize the grammar and spelling errors within the text. This way, the person reading it will feel much more informed about what you have to convey.

Besides, what you write says a lot about you. Sloppiness in writing reflects in a person. Is this the kind of image you want to show the world?

Someone mentioned the validity behind writing appropriately while doing something for recreation. Let me ask you this. Do you play basketball in your underwear? Hey, its more comfortable than most jerseys/ sweatshirts. But You don't do it. Right? Simply because of what you think the public has to say about it. SImilarly on the internet, you are interacting with a large public group as well. And writing well is just being courteous to everyone else.

Wow. I need to rant more.