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Death Rates for White American Males 45-54 Going UP!

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Perknose said:
If you had the reading comprehension skills of a reasonably intelligent 12 year old, you'd know that I have repeatedly responded with the solution, including, yet again, in the post you just responded to.

This situation is, indeed, not a joke. It's a calamity, and the cause of that calamity lies with stupid, reflexive, liberal bashers like you, who can't even admit it when the sad, destructive results of your ignorant ideology are shoved in your face.

The very "socialist" safety net you denigrate and fight so hard against is the answer, as the quotes from the article I have posted more than once so clearly show.

As for insults, FFS PLEASE stop insulting the English language with your abject, lazy linguistic ignorance: Nearly /= merely. Linguistic hygiene, son. Wipe yourself before you leave the stall and post, k. :biggrin:
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Really? Your "argument" is to elect Bernie Sanders and white male oppression will all magically be resolved. No relation to the actual study, of course, you just deem socialist government to be the best choice - so if we go your choice that will immediately resolve any issues middle-aged males have. Genius!

I suppose when we elected Obama all hate and racism towards black people was immediately shattered. If we elect Billary, all feminism issues will be resolved as well, right?

Your logic (or lack of) is quite hilarious. I don't even know why I try to reason with a 2-year old that's argument consists of "Waaaaaaaaah! He used a word that doesn't exist, and I'm going to insult him on it instead of having any credible argument!... Even though I myself use incredibly annoying acronyms, misspellings, and incomplete words in my own!"

Once again, hypocrisy at it's finest. I don't even know why I try argument with 2-year-olds. In the end it just insults my own intelligence just trying to get on your lower level of thinking.
 
Two comments:

1. I don't think the case has been made that the mortality rates are directly connected to the demise of qualified benefit type retirement programs.

2. I strongly disagree with lumping all "white" people together as if they're some monolithic group. There are substantial cultural and even genetic variations among peoples routinely grouped together as "white". I'm a living example. I have an 8,000 yr gene from ancient Celtics. Back then it was necessary for survival due to their diet. Nowadays unnecessary and means I need periodic treatment or face organ damage etc.

How many Russians (e.g.) and other peoples lumped into the white category have emigrated here bringing their habits (alcoholism and drug use) and chronic (genetic) health problems? I.e., I find this study less than persuasive.

Fern
 
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s0me0nesmind1 said:
Once again, hypocrisy at it's finest. I don't even know why I try argument with 2-year-olds. In the end it just insults my own intelligence just trying to get on your lower level of thinking.
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"Its", not "it's", you baboon.

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Perknose said:
Is it time for a Democratic Socialist like Bernie Sanders, my fellow white men? 😉
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s0me0nesmind1 said:
Really? Your "argument" is to elect Bernie Sanders and white male oppression will all magically be resolved.
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Congrats, son. You whiffed on both the idea of a rhetorical question and the joke it obviously was.

I'm not voting for Bernie Sanders because I know he can't win. But the liberal, European "socialist" safety net he espouses turns out to be the key reason THE EXACT SAME DEMOGRAPHIC has not suffered this same shortening of their lives, this awful and avoidable calamity.

s0me0nesmind1 said:
No relation to the actual study, of course, you just deem socialist government to be the best choice - so if we go your choice that will immediately resolve any issues middle-aged males have. Genius!
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No relation to the actual study? Damn, you're dumb. :colbert:

The "socialist" safety net is exactly what the actual study shows to be the key and clear difference. Didn't get that yet? Here's a clue for you that I'll quote for the third time in this thread:


Growth in real median earnings has been slow for this group, especially those with only a high school education.” But they also observe that some other rich countries have seen “even slower growth in median earnings than the United States, yet none have had the same mortality experience.”

As a result, many Americans with only a high-school education not only lack the skills in midlife to find good jobs or even to stay employed but also face the likelihood of destitution in old age.

Here is where the stronger systems of social protection in other countries may play a role in both reducing inequality and cushioning people from the adverse social psychological consequences of wage stagnation.
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Too many words for you? Then just repeat at least the bolded out loud to yourself until the dim light of comprehension goes on in your noggin.
 
Fern said:
Tow comments:

1. I don't think the case has been made that the mortality rates are directly connected to the demise of qualified benefit type retirement programs.

2. I strongly disagree with lumping all "white" people together as if they're some monolithic group. There are substantial cultural and even genetic variations among peoples routinely grouped together as "white". I'm a living example. I have an 8,000 yr gene from ancient Celtics. Back then it was necessary for survival due to their diet. Nowadays unnecessary and means I need periodic treatment or face organ damage etc.

How many Russians (e.g.) and other peoples lumped into the white category have emigrated here bringing their habits (alcoholism and drug use) and chronic (genetic) health problems? I.e., I find this study less than persuasive.

Fern
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But why would that be a recent trend?
 
Perknose said:
Congrats, son. You whiffed on both the idea of a rhetorical question and the joke it obviously was.
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You whiffed on creating a thread. What kind of discussion did you expect?

It's a slanted article. It finds a statistical anomaly, puts out a list of suggestions for why, each suggestion coincidentally being something directly solvable by his political/social beliefs, you assume it to be true, and insult anyone who isn't a true believer like yourself.

Cookie for you for wasting everyone's time!
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Originally Posted by s0me0nesmind1

Once again, hypocrisy at it's finest. I don't even know why I try argument with 2-year-olds. In the end it just insults my own intelligence just trying to get on your lower level of thinking.
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feralkid said:
"Its", not "it's", you baboon.

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IT'S

It's is a contraction for it is or it has.


Examples:
It's = It is

  • "It's my bedtime."
  • "It's time to go."
  • "It's only 11 o'clock."
  • "It's over there."
It's = It has (not possessive)

  • "It's been a long time."
  • "It's been brewing awhile."
  • "It's got to happen soon."
A Mnemonic Device:
It's an apostrophe.



ITS

Its indicates possessive.

Or, put a more technical way, its is the possessive form of the neuter pronoun "it" — his, her, its.
Examples:
Its possessive

  • "Every dog has its day."
  • "The jury has reached its decision."
  • "Stop its momentum!"
  • "Guess its color."
A Good Rule of Thumb:
If you can replace it with his or her, there's no apostrophe.
A Mnemonic Device:
The possessive dog had its tail removed.

ITS'

Its' is never correct. Ever.
 
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Perknose said:
Growth in real median earnings has been slow for this group, especially those with only a high school education.” But they also observe that some other rich countries have seen “even slower growth in median earnings than the United States, yet none have had the same mortality experience.”

As a result, many Americans with only a high-school education not only lack the skills in midlife to find good jobs or even to stay employed but also face the likelihood of destitution in old age.

Here is where the stronger systems of social protection in other countries may play a role in both reducing inequality and cushioning people from the adverse social psychological consequences of wage stagnation.
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Too many words for you? Then just repeat at least the bolded out loud to yourself until the dim light of comprehension goes on in your noggin.
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jump to conclusions much?

The liberal left in the USA blames white males for everything, treats them like crap for years, and now blames them for not installing some liberal European utopia?
 
So what socialist safety-net do American Hispanics have that American whites lack? By the op's story, American Hispanics see a decrease in middle-aged mortality almost perfectly in line with the UK, and even better than Germany and France.
 
Also, I like how Perktroll decided to exclude this particular bit.

Although Case and Deaton are cautious about interpreting the data, they single out two possible causes of the mortality reversal. The first relates specifically to the timing of increased drug-related deaths: the introduction and ready availability of opioid prescription painkillers (such as Oxycontin) beginning in the late 1990s, followed by a shift to heroin, both directly linked to rising death rates among whites over the 1999-2013 period. But it is not clear, Case and Deaton point out, whether rising drug use is a response to an “epidemic of pain,” or whether the introduction and distribution of new prescription painkillers played an independent, causal role. One way or the other, however, Case and Deaton’s study puts in bold relief the sheer magnitude of the consequences of today’s drug plague.

A second potential cause highlighted by Case and Deaton (and possibly related to the first) is stress from economic change resulting from slower economic growth and rising inequality. “Many of the baby-boom generation,” they note, “are the first to find, in midlife, that they will not be better off than were their parents. Growth in real median earnings has been slow for this group, especially those with only a high school education.” But they also observe that some other rich countries have seen “even slower growth in median earnings than the United States, yet none have had the same mortality experience.”
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The war on drugs is undoubtedly as much (if not more so) the fault of the right's politicians and beliefs as it is the left's, so jeez op, go for that instead of just shilling for Bernie's utopia where the article has no support for that being a solution.
 
HamburgerBoy said:
So what socialist safety-net do American Hispanics have that American whites lack? By the op's story, American Hispanics see a decrease in middle-aged mortality almost perfectly in line with the UK, and even better than Germany and France.
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Happiness is not about the absolute value, it's about the derivative and also how well you do relative to your peers.
Hispanics are starting from a lower baseline in terms of poverty, so they are on an upward trajectory. Working class whites used to do reasonably well, but because of trickle down, free trade, union busting, and other "free market" policies that they themselves largely supported through their elected officials, are now poor. And in many states, they also "showed Obama" and are now uninsured instead of having Medicaid. So you have increased stress, and no access to preventative care. Results speak for themselves.
 
It's not Obama's fault or the OP's fault these people never went to college. He wasn't President when it was their college going age.

And they didn't go to college 25-35 years ago which would be the time of Reagan/ Bush.
 
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Indus said:
It's not Obama's fault or the OP's fault these people never went to college. He wasn't President when it was their college going age.

And they didn't go to college 25-35 years ago which would be the time of Reagan/ Bush.
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Why should they have gone to college? Unions of the 60's & 70's taught America we can become wealthy through mundane, repetitious, low-skill tasks. No college degree required.

Then technology happened.
 
It needs to be said. But I never said anything about specific actions, now have I?

If I get permabanned over calling out someone pushing their own politiical agendas with mod powers, you'll all know it. You can cower in fear that they might do it to you too... or not put up with that shit.


Mod callouts are not allowed, and you know it.
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Thread is something I prefer not to dwell on these days.

Just hit 54, had a really good job interview a couple weeks back that I thought for sure I had gotten, lasted over an hour with two different people. Had even gotten to the point they were explaining the parking, various minor details like they were going to have me show up and get started. I get a call back a couple days later saying they were going to pass. Just trying to find something comparable these days to where I was 5 years ago is nuts.

I guess if you are not in that situation you do not relate, some of the comments in here are pretty moronic.
 
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