Death penalty poll

[BoberFett]

Originally posted by: CitizenKain
People like the two of you are why our system sucks so bad.

Funny, I feel the same about turdbags like you.

 

[monovillage]

If you don't trust the Government and 12 strangers to make the right decision in a capital case why would you trust the Government and 1,000 strangers to make the right decisions about you and your families health care?

 

[Stuxnet]

Originally posted by: CitizenKain

What the fuck is wrong with people regarding our prison system in this country?

Originally posted by: Mursilis
Seriously, they should even be deprived of food and water if they refuse to earn it. The grocer does not give me my food for free; why should prisoners expect special treatment? Prisoners should be given the option to earn their keep by working, and if they refuse, they've made their own choice to starve to death. It's their own decision.

People like the two of you are why our system sucks so bad. The people who think prisoners should be raped are the same as people who think a woman wearing a dress deserves to be raped.

Hogwash. I see nothing wrong with what Mursilis said; he makes a very valid point. I don't get free food, water, or shelter... why should a convicted felon?

Originally posted by: CitizenKain
Except we have removed the prisoners from society and imprisoned them. When we imprison people, we take over their care.

That's not an argument. It's a statement without a conclusion.

"... we've taken over their care."

... AND?

 

[BoberFett]

Originally posted by: monovillage
If you don't trust the Government and 12 strangers to make the right decision in a capital case why would you trust the Government and 1,000 strangers to make the right decisions about you and your families health care?

Bingo.

 

[IndyColtsFan]

Originally posted by: BoberFett
Absolutely against the death penalty. I don't trust government to ever do things properly, so I certainly don't trust it enough to decide if somebody should live or die.

I used to be a strong supporter of the death penalty. I think I am kind of in the middle now, especially after hearing about all of the guys who spent decades on death row only to be exonerated by new DNA evidence. I'd like to think that the widespread use of DNA testing will reduce cases like that going forward, but who knows.

But on the other hand, when I hear about some of these heinous crimes against children, I think the death penalty is warranted, if not an easy out for these slimeballs.

 

[JeffreyLebowski]

Originally posted by: retrospooty
I am a liberal, but I am very much for the death penalty. In fact I thin kwe should not only keep it, we should expand it dramatically. There should be no life in prison sentence, just kill 'em all. Not as a crime deterrent, there are plenty of studies done that show the death penalty doesnt deter crime, but as a means of waste disposal. Why house these assholes for the next 60 years at our expense? Its a miserable life for them and a never-ending cost for us.

I like your thinking.

They should get their trial and one appeal in the 1st 5 years. If the appeal does not reverse the original sentance take em to the gallows.
If they do not excerise their right of appeal in the 5 year time frame, on the 5th anniversary of conviction, take em to the gallows.

The death penalty doesn't deter crime anymore because it has become a secretive ordeal. Back in the old days, when public hangings and beheadings were common, people were more in line because then, you could see the results of breaking the law.

They need to televise executions. Hell make it pay per view and make some $$$ off of it.
Or One up Ultimate fighter and bring back the Colloseum.

 

[CitizenKain]

Originally posted by: BoberFett

Originally posted by: CitizenKain
People like the two of you are why our system sucks so bad.

Funny, I feel the same about turdbags like you.

It truly is no surprise that you get off on the suffering of others.

Originally posted by: jbourne77
That's not an argument. It's a statement without a conclusion.

"... we've taken over their care."

... AND?

What more needs to be said? Therefore we feed them, we shelter them and we protect them.

Originally posted by: JeffreyLebowski
They should get their trial and one appeal in the 1st 5 years. If the appeal does not reverse the original sentance take em to the gallows.

What if it turns out the person was innocent? Would people be willing to step up and take responsibility for the murder of an innocent person? I know you wouldn't.

 

[Mani]

Originally posted by: retrospooty
Its a miserable life for them and a never-ending cost for us.

Except it costs us more to kill them than keep them alive, and the net result (to us) is the same. There is no solid justification for the death penalty - it does not remove criminals any more effectively than a life sentence will, it is not a deterrant, and it is no less of a burden on the taxpayer. The only reason people it's around is that people equate revenge to justice.

 

[miketheidiot]

Originally posted by: retrospooty
Not as a crime deterrent, there are plenty of studies done that show the death penalty doesnt deter crime, but as a means of waste disposal.

lets kill the handicapped, elderly, and mentally disabled as well.


voted for abolishing the death penalty

 

[miketheidiot]

Originally posted by: monovillage
If you don't trust the Government and 12 strangers to make the right decision in a capital case why would you trust the Government and 1,000 strangers to make the right decisions about you and your families health care?

you trust for profit insurance companies, for profit pharmaceutical companies and for profit hospitals to make decisions for you?

 

[retrospooty]

Originally posted by: Mani

Originally posted by: retrospooty
Its a miserable life for them and a never-ending cost for us.

Except it costs us more to kill them than keep them alive, and the net result (to us) is the same. There is no solid justification for the death penalty - it does not remove criminals any more effectively than a life sentence will, it is not a deterrant, and it is no less of a burden on the taxpayer. The only reason people it's around is that people equate revenge to justice.

How on Earth do you estimate that it cost the same to kill a convit vs keeping him in prison for the rest of his life?

http://www.ojp.usdoj.gov/bjs/pub/ascii/spe01.txt

The average annual operating cost per State inmate in 2001 was
$22,650, or $62.05 per day. Among facilities operated by the
Federal Bureau of Prisons, it was $22,632 per inmate, or $62.01
per day.

 

[retrospooty]

Originally posted by: miketheidiot

Originally posted by: retrospooty
Not as a crime deterrent, there are plenty of studies done that show the death penalty doesnt deter crime, but as a means of waste disposal.

lets kill the handicapped, elderly, and mentally disabled as well.


voted for abolishing the death penalty

I dont think I get your sarcasm... I dont think that elderly and handicapped are the same as hardcore criminals... Why? Do you think they are waste?

 

[BoberFett]

Originally posted by: miketheidiot

Originally posted by: monovillage
If you don't trust the Government and 12 strangers to make the right decision in a capital case why would you trust the Government and 1,000 strangers to make the right decisions about you and your families health care?

you trust for profit insurance companies, for profit pharmaceutical companies and for profit hospitals to make decisions for you?

If you don't like those companies, don't do business with them. I didn't realize the criminal justice system was an optional business relationship.

Proving yet again that your name is truth in advertising.

 

[seemingly random]

Against the death penalty unless the person has killed someone close to me - then I want to do the honors. For example, if someone close to me had died in the world trade center in 2001, I would want to go to the killer's country and kill their friends and relatives.

 

[gingermeggs]

You see artists which use waste to create art works..............
I guess they are giving across an idea as well as a wok of art.
Here's one guy that uses roadkilled canetoads in australia
http://www.toadscape.com/

 

[miketheidiot]

Originally posted by: retrospooty

Originally posted by: miketheidiot

Originally posted by: retrospooty
Not as a crime deterrent, there are plenty of studies done that show the death penalty doesnt deter crime, but as a means of waste disposal.

lets kill the handicapped, elderly, and mentally disabled as well.


voted for abolishing the death penalty

I dont think I get your sarcasm... I dont think that elderly and handicapped are the same as hardcore criminals... Why? Do you think they are waste?

whats the difference?

 

[miketheidiot]

Originally posted by: BoberFett

Originally posted by: miketheidiot

Originally posted by: monovillage
If you don't trust the Government and 12 strangers to make the right decision in a capital case why would you trust the Government and 1,000 strangers to make the right decisions about you and your families health care?

you trust for profit insurance companies, for profit pharmaceutical companies and for profit hospitals to make decisions for you?

If you don't like those companies, don't do business with them. I didn't realize the criminal justice system was an optional business relationship.

Proving yet again that your name is truth in advertising.

Exactly, that's why i am in favor of a single payer system, because i don't want to do business with them.

 

[piasabird]

Cant kill criminals fast enough.

 

[monovillage]

If you don't trust the Government and the 12 jurors in a capital case, why would you trust the Government and their single payer health plan to be in control of you and your families health care? My point is that YOU don't trust the Government in a fairly simple straightforward capital trial, but you do trust them in a complicated and elaborate health care plan.

 

[lanwild]

Originally posted by: loki8481
I don't trust the government and a dozen strangers to decide whether I should live or die.

I would say at some point, you lose the privilege of feeling that way.

 

[Mani]

Originally posted by: retrospooty

Originally posted by: Mani

Originally posted by: retrospooty
Its a miserable life for them and a never-ending cost for us.

Except it costs us more to kill them than keep them alive, and the net result (to us) is the same. There is no solid justification for the death penalty - it does not remove criminals any more effectively than a life sentence will, it is not a deterrant, and it is no less of a burden on the taxpayer. The only reason people it's around is that people equate revenge to justice.

How on Earth do you estimate that it cost the same to kill a convit vs keeping him in prison for the rest of his life?

It's called the appeals process. link

 

[retrospooty]

Originally posted by: Mani

Originally posted by: retrospooty

Originally posted by: Mani

Originally posted by: retrospooty
Its a miserable life for them and a never-ending cost for us.

Except it costs us more to kill them than keep them alive, and the net result (to us) is the same. There is no solid justification for the death penalty - it does not remove criminals any more effectively than a life sentence will, it is not a deterrant, and it is no less of a burden on the taxpayer. The only reason people it's around is that people equate revenge to justice.

How on Earth do you estimate that it cost the same to kill a convit vs keeping him in prison for the rest of his life?

It's called the appeals process. link

That is part of whats broken... In my fantasy plan, they die quickly, no appeal, no time for appeal. cheap and easy.

 

[canadageek]

Originally posted by: retrospooty

Originally posted by: Mani

Originally posted by: retrospooty

Originally posted by: Mani

Originally posted by: retrospooty
Its a miserable life for them and a never-ending cost for us.

Except it costs us more to kill them than keep them alive, and the net result (to us) is the same. There is no solid justification for the death penalty - it does not remove criminals any more effectively than a life sentence will, it is not a deterrant, and it is no less of a burden on the taxpayer. The only reason people it's around is that people equate revenge to justice.

How on Earth do you estimate that it cost the same to kill a convit vs keeping him in prison for the rest of his life?

It's called the appeals process. link

That is part of whats broken... In my fantasy plan, they die quickly, no appeal, no time for appeal. cheap and easy.

yeah, but thats because you are a broken manchild who lives in a black and white world where criminals are always guilty.

The appeals process is there precisely because someone COULD BE innocent. Imagine you were put on death row for a crime you didn't commit. wouldn't you want every possible chance to clear your name?

 

[retrospooty]

Originally posted by: canadageek
yeah, but thats because you are a broken manchild who lives in a black and white world where criminals are always guilty.

I do? really?

Look, this is a forum and I don't have time or motivation to put out all of the details how it would work in this imaginary "the world as i see fit" scenario... To try and make it short, this would be only for violent crimes where life in prison was the sentence. And as for no appeals, that would certainly only be when the evidence is overwhelming, like DNA evidence, or multiple eyewitneses, etc. If it were not overwhelmingly conclusive evidence, they would get one appeal - but it would need to be done relatively quickly, it would not be extended over several years.

 

[canadageek]

Originally posted by: retrospooty

Originally posted by: canadageek
yeah, but thats because you are a broken manchild who lives in a black and white world where criminals are always guilty.

I do? really?

Look, this is a forum and I don't have time or motivation to put out all of the details how it would work in this imaginary "the world as i see fit" scenario... To try and make it short, this would be only for violent crimes where life in prison was the sentence. And as for no appeals, that would certainly only be when the evidence is overwhelming, like DNA evidence, or multiple eyewitneses, etc. If it were not overwhelmingly conclusive evidence, they would get one appeal - but it would need to be done relatively quickly, it would not be extended over several years.

This is a discussion forum, not ATOT. if you aren't willing to put in the time, then don't post retarded tripe like you did before. If everyone takes the time to put in well written posts we'll all be better off!

edit: also, eyewitnesses are notoriously unreliable, and I honestly think they shouldn't have as much weight in the courtroom as they do today. especially during a traumatic event, people's memories play tricks on them, and they'll never realise it.