Death penalty poll

[retrospooty]

I am a liberal, but I am very much for the death penalty. In fact I thin kwe should not only keep it, we should expand it dramatically. There should be no life in prison sentence, just kill 'em all. Not as a crime deterrent, there are plenty of studies done that show the death penalty doesnt deter crime, but as a means of waste disposal. Why house these assholes for the next 60 years at our expense? Its a miserable life for them and a never-ending cost for us.

 

[NikolaeVarius]

On one hand, I don't have qualms about killing violent criminals. On the other hand, Life without Parole sucks more.

 

[nageov3t]

I don't trust the government and a dozen strangers to decide whether I should live or die.

 

[Hacp]

Originally posted by: retrospooty
I am a liberal, but I am very much for the death penalty. In fact I thin kwe should not only keep it, we should expand it dramatically. There should be no life in prison sentence, just kill 'em all. Not as a crime deterrent, there are plenty of studies done that show the death penalty doesnt deter crime, but as a means of waste disposal. Why house these assholes for the next 60 years at our expense? Its a miserable life for them and a never-ending cost for us.

+1 even if you're a liberal!

 

[Moonbeam]

I think anybody who is for the death penalty should be executed.

 

[Lemon law]

I am against the death penalty for two reasons.

1. The death penalty is irreversible, its already known and proven, sometimes juries convict the wrong person.

2. Given our legal system and all the inordinate costly appeals involved in a death sentence, its far far cheaper to house and feed a miscreant for the rest of their natural life. And maybe a more effective punishment.

 

[miniMUNCH]

I don't think killing criminals solves anything...

On the flip-flop, I think our prison system is way too soft. The prison system should be hard, hard labor camps and operate with the goal of being non-profit, whilst trying to minimize loss.

 

[retrospooty]

Originally posted by: miniMUNCH
I don't think killing criminals solves anything...

It solves the billions of dollars we spend housing and feeding these wastes of skin.

 

[ZeGermans]

Originally posted by: retrospooty

Originally posted by: miniMUNCH
I don't think killing criminals solves anything...

It solves the billions of dollars we spend housing and feeding these wastes of skin.

haha you think violent crime has anything to do with the costs of the prison system

 

[retrospooty]

Originally posted by: Lemon law

2. Given our legal system and all the inordinate costly appeals involved in a death sentence, its far far cheaper to house and feed a miscreant for the rest of their natural life. And maybe a more effective punishment.

the point is do it quick, no endless appeals. At least in cases where its overwhelmingly obvious that the person is guilty, like DNA evidence etc.

 

[retrospooty]

Originally posted by: ZeGermans

Originally posted by: retrospooty

Originally posted by: miniMUNCH
I don't think killing criminals solves anything...

It solves the billions of dollars we spend housing and feeding these wastes of skin.

haha you think violent crime has anything to do with the costs of the prison system

No, I dont - I stated in my OP that I want the DP not as a crime deterrent, but a a means of waste disposal.

As far as the cost, if there were no prison, there would be no way to waste the money spent on it.

 

[heyheybooboo]

:shocked: at expanding the death penalty

The State will kill you for embezzlement and fraud in China.

The State will kill you for sodomy in Iran.

The State will kill you for prostitution in North Korea.

The State will kill you for many nonviolent offenses in Saudi Arabia.

The State will kill you for processing 500 grams of cannabis (an LB) in Singapore.

The State will kill you for verbal opposition to the government in Syria.

The State will kill you for adultery and homosexuality in Yemen.

The State will kill you for sabotage to public utilities in Algeria.

There also seems to be general acceptance in a dozen or so countries in the State killing for apostasy.

 

[WHAMPOM]

Originally posted by: retrospooty
I am a liberal, but I am very much for the death penalty. In fact I thin kwe should not only keep it, we should expand it dramatically. There should be no life in prison sentence, just kill 'em all. Not as a crime deterrent, there are plenty of studies done that show the death penalty doesnt deter crime, but as a means of waste disposal. Why house these assholes for the next 60 years at our expense? Its a miserable life for them and a never-ending cost for us.

The American Justice System kills enough people accidentally on purpose as it is. What do you want next? Cops armed with kill sticks for minor traffic offenses?

 

[IronWing]

Originally posted by: WHAMPOM
What do you want next? Cops armed with kill sticks for minor traffic offenses?

I'm opposed to the death penalty but now you're tempting me.

 

[retrospooty]

Originally posted by: WHAMPOM

Originally posted by: retrospooty
I am a liberal, but I am very much for the death penalty. In fact I thin kwe should not only keep it, we should expand it dramatically. There should be no life in prison sentence, just kill 'em all. Not as a crime deterrent, there are plenty of studies done that show the death penalty doesnt deter crime, but as a means of waste disposal. Why house these assholes for the next 60 years at our expense? Its a miserable life for them and a never-ending cost for us.

The American Justice System kills enough people accidentally on purpose as it is. What do you want next? Cops armed with kill sticks for minor traffic offenses?

No... But for crimes serious enough for a sentence of life in prison, it should be death. Obviously not petty theifs, traffic violators, or small things like that.

another one that pisses me off is child molesters. Even if found guilty most of them spend only a few years in jail - that one should be death by bing tied down and honey glazed over a fire ant nest. =)

 

[imported_Lothar]

Death penalty in itself is stupid since the victim suffers nothing for his/her crimes.
Allowing prisoners to sit in prisons the way it's done here is just as stupid as well if it's not done the way France does it for their terrorist suspects/convicts.

Community service should be mandatory for prison inmates that don't have a medical disability.
Instead of letting them rot in prisons all day long or giving them the easy way out through the electric chair/gas chamber, make them work.
Make them do something productive like digging a ditch for a new dam, bridge, pick up trash, or something else(Panama Canal anyone?).
Hell, they can even replace the union workers that work for Ford, GM, and Chrysler since they won't be paid a wage or anything.

 

[BarrySotero]

I would be "for it" if I knew only guilty people would get punished. As things are I know innocent people would get punished. A guy I knew just got out of jail after spending 17 years in jail for a murder he did not commit. DNA showed he was not the killer and then the real killer confessed.

 

[LunarRay]

I'm against the death penalty for lots of reasons.
A viable alternative would be to imprison the capital crime convictee at Moonbeam's house.
Mainly, I suppose, it is in the determination of who will stand trial for the capital crime and face death as a possible sentence that I don't like... that and the fact that the same evidence defended or prosecuted by different folks in front of the same jury can result in a different outcome as well as changing the jury with the same attorneys or change the judge... all these variables can alter the outcome.. I don't like that at all.
Not to mention murder is a legal term but causing another person to cease living is a humanity term... when we become human ... perhaps we too will invoke humane actions.

 

[Newbian]

Originally posted by: ironwing

Originally posted by: WHAMPOM
What do you want next? Cops armed with kill sticks for minor traffic offenses?

I'm opposed to the death penalty but now you're tempting me.

Coming to P&N usually makes one feel that way.

 

[Colt45]

Abolish the death penalty, but institute automatic hard labour for violent crime.

16hr days crushing rocks, with a ration consisting of a can of sardines and a bottle of water. Might make criminals think twice.

 

[RocksteadyDotNet]

My government doesn't murder people.

No first world country has the death penality.

 

[Leon]

No first world country has the death penality.

What about Japan? Death penalty is legal, and broadly supported by population.

 

[blackangst1]

I am against it. For two reasons. First, I believe death is an easy out, and life without parole in place of it would be a MUCH harsher penalty. I want the fucker to suffer. Second, it is nothing more than revenge killing. But its not called that because the government does it. If a citizen did it, it would be revenge, and I dont think our government should be in that business.

 

[Craig234]

Originally posted by: retrospooty

Originally posted by: miniMUNCH
I don't think killing criminals solves anything...

It solves the billions of dollars we spend housing and feeding these wastes of skin.

IMO, you are not 'liberal' on this issue. You have clearly de-humanized these people, which is not the 'liberal' position.

I'm not saying it's impssible to be liberal and find some argument for this - even if I disagree with it - but you go further, with the de-humanizing language showing your view.

But, putting that aside, how can you not have picked up somewhere along the way the basic fact as you complain about the cost, that it's cheaper to keep them in priison?

A few years ago, the figures were that the average life sentence was about a third the cost of the legal proceedings required for safeguarding the process constitutionally required.

Take your pick - the cost savings of not executing, the possibility of an innocent person being executed (a near-certainty IMO over time), respect for human life.

Any one of which is a reason not to allow executions.

 

[Mursilis]

Originally posted by: Colt45
Abolish the death penalty, but institute automatic hard labour for violent crime.

16hr days crushing rocks, with a ration consisting of a can of sardines and a bottle of water. Might make criminals think twice.

This. I don't support the death penalty either, but prisoners on the inside should be forced to work as hard as people on the outside. Ideally, prisons should be close to self-sustaining. It's only fair - there are no freebies in life, and life in prison should not be easy. I earn my food and shelter - a prisoner should as well.