Dear John McCain

[chowderhead]

Originally posted by: judasmachine

Originally posted by: ProfJohn
I am thinking Charlie Crist of Florida.

Wraps up FL for the Republicans and turns Ohio into ground zero for 4 months.

Romney helps by being a business man, but he doesn't help McCain win any important states.

Crist is hated here in FL, as far as I can see that is... I doubt it would 'wrap it up.' Even the Republicans I know here, have a special distaste for him.

edit: after doing so research (aka reading BS polls) it seems to go back and forth. But the actual people I speak with, do not like him, and he has actually lived in St. Pete.

OP is an ardent Obama supporter. Perhaps, he is concerned that a Romney selection could help McCain in the mountain west with its high Mormon population i.e. Colorado, Nevada, etc and economically depressed states like Michigan and Ohio. I still think McCain dislikes Romney quite a bit so I don't think he will pick Romney.

Anyway, Crist is very popular in Florida according to most polls

He and Pawlenty are probably the leading contenders. Still, I would think McCain can win Florida on his own without Crist since Obama is very weak in Florida.

 

[piasabird]

Makes me wonder if people are just anti-Momon Hate Mongers.

 

[BoomerD]

Originally posted by: piasabird
Makes me wonder if people are just anti-Momon Hate Mongers.

You say that like it's a bad thing...

 

[nageov3t]

Originally posted by: Farang
Dear John McCain,

Please pick Rice as VP. It will solidify your label as a continuance of President Bush's foreign policy so the electorate does not get fooled by your label as a "Maverick."

http://blogs.abcnews.com/polit...4/dan-senor-condo.html

Rice Rules Out Spot on McCain Ticket

Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice sought to end speculation Monday that she might be a vice-presidential running mate for Senator John McCain.

While praising Mr. McCain, Republican of Arizona, Ms. Rice said in an interview, ?I don?t want to be, don?t intend to be, won?t be on the ticket.?

She said she would return to academic pursuits at Stanford University at the end of the Bush administration.

http://www.nytimes.com/2008/04...s/politics/15rice.html

 

[daveymark]

talks of romney as VP are swirling again. this race is McCain's to lose, if he choses a conservative like romney, conservatives will come out in droves. if not, conservatives will stay home and the dem candidate will win easily

 

[ProfJohn]

ummm Romney is not a very good conservative though.

There are much better ones for McCain to pick.

I would look at a toss up state he can 'steal' from the Dems by picking a popular conservative from it. This helps him win that state and helps the conservative base as well.

 

[nageov3t]

McCain/Jindal '08 imo

 

[Superrock]

McCain/ Clinton '08

 

[Craig234]

Originally posted by: ProfJohn

Originally posted by: Farang
I agree with you but the recent appearances make me suspicious. VP picks don't always make a lot of sense.. look at Cheney. Also I think the whole idea of a VP carrying a state is exaggerated--the real needs are someone with a different type of experience (governor) and someone who can be trusted on the economy (businessman).

Cheney made a lot of sense at the time.

Bush had no Washington experience and no foreign policy experience, Cheney had both of them in spades.

Just because Cheney has turned into Darth Cheney doesn't mean his choice didn't make sense at the time.

Dick Cheney did not make sense at the time. His positives were not enough to counter the negatives - he was a problem from his role in siding with the radical neocons during the first Bush administration when they tried to push through a new US policy document calling for more aggression, to his ruthless behaviors as the head of Halliburton, showing a great willingness to put profit ahead of any issue of right and wrong, something consistent with his having evaded service in Viet Nam while supporting the war to the extent of his marriage and children just happening to fit the schedules of when his previous deferments were not going to continue to work and needed those new actions to keep him out. He had a terrible agenda of a far more unaccountable presidency than the founding fathers had wanted, based on lingering resentment over the democrats defending the nation from Richard Nixon.

Sure, he got worse in office as VP, but there was plenty to say he was not a good pick. Then again, consider who selected him as the head of the search committee.

 

[Craig234]

nm.

 

[lupi]

Who anyone picks as VP doesn't matter much. The pundits are already breaking down the election and with months to go have already pointed out about 6 states that are the only ones up for grab.

 

[Throckmorton]

Originally posted by: DukeN
He's also the only Republican with the business intelligence to fix some of the economical issues facing the US.

Didn't Wall Street cause this credit crisis in the first place?

The connection of businses experience with economic policy is tenuous. Hell, it's even a conflict of interest. A corporate government is as bad as a theocracy or communist state.

 

[Throckmorton]

Originally posted by: BoomerD
I was almost shocked at this news tonight. I'm not sure if it will guarantee that he'll lose or not like some of my friends seem to think, but she enbodies the worst of both worlds for those who judge simply on gender and race...a BLACK WOMAN? OH NOES!

I really hope this doesn't happen. I don't want Condy Rice as my President, and at McCain's age...
(plus, I really don't trust the Neocons to NOT "arrange an accident" for McCain to ensure her placement in the office.)

What's wrong with Condi? I'm a Democrat and I think she'd make a good president.

 

[StageLeft]

What's wrong with Condi? I'm a Democrat and I think she'd make a good president.

Do you know how blazingly incompetent she was in the run-up to 911? She basically had the head of CIA pounding down her damn door warning that something big was coming and she was brushing him and other similar intelligence off. This is well documented in the months preceeding 911.

That aside, anybody who's been in the Bush clique for this long by definition would be a crap president.

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: lupi
Who anyone picks as VP doesn't matter much. The pundits are already breaking down the election and with months to go have already pointed out about 6 states that are the only ones up for grab.

I disagree. For McCain it matters a great deal. Without a solid VP pick he'll lose Conservatives like myself. We are more than content to sit on our hands this fall if he picks a stinky fish.

 

[daveymark]

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Originally posted by: lupi
Who anyone picks as VP doesn't matter much. The pundits are already breaking down the election and with months to go have already pointed out about 6 states that are the only ones up for grab.

I disagree. For McCain it matters a great deal. Without a solid VP pick he'll lose Conservatives like myself. We are more than content to sit on our hands this fall if he picks a stinky fish.

bingo. McCain needs to pick a conservative if he wants to win this(and he will win handily if he does pick a conservative). If he continues to pander to the left he'll lose the base and will be sent home packing

 

[BMW540I6speed]

Crist would have to resign, probably, unless he can get the Florida legislature to repeal the statute that forbids him from running for federal office. He has a huge majority in both houses of the state legislature, so it's not out of the question.

Lieberman wouldn't do anything for McCain, just as he didn't do anything for Gore.

Thune's name has been bandied about. He wouldn't bring any big constituency: South Dakota has three electoral votes, tied for the lowest in the nation. No one outside the state knows who he is, though he's a "reliable" reactionary.

Lindsey Graham's name has also been mentioned. That will surely get someone to drag him out of the closet, with an anonymous Republican being quoted as saying that being gay is "worse than being a Democrat."

Huckabee said in February that he was not interested in being Veep.

Alaska's Sarah Palin is losing some of luster and about to have another baby. Three electoral votes.

If McCain went with Tom Ridge, the fundy wingnuts would stay home. That's the "base."

Jeb Bush is dumb, but popular in a big state. However his wife's smuggling, his dope fiend daughter, his prostitute-patronizing son, his little-known hookups with the for-profit prison industry.

Ms. Wingnut 2000-2006 herself, ex-Rep. Cathy Harris could cost him nationally. McCain has said he doesn't want to make a Dan Quale mistake. Bush would inevitably bring to mind another Bush, or two, and Quale in the bargain. Who in their right mind would vote for four more Bush years?. Fundies are by definition, inhabiting their 6,000-year-old world, not in their "right mind."

 

[BMW540I6speed]

Originally posted by: daveymark

Originally posted by: CADsortaGUY

Originally posted by: lupi
Who anyone picks as VP doesn't matter much. The pundits are already breaking down the election and with months to go have already pointed out about 6 states that are the only ones up for grab.

I disagree. For McCain it matters a great deal. Without a solid VP pick he'll lose Conservatives like myself. We are more than content to sit on our hands this fall if he picks a stinky fish.

bingo. McCain needs to pick a conservative if he wants to win this(and he will win handily if he does pick a conservative). If he continues to pander to the left he'll lose the base and will be sent home packing

Take Chuck Hagal out of the equation, the only real "conservitive" left in the party is Ron Paul. A reasonable facsimile there of.

 

[Robor]

Originally posted by: lupi
Who anyone picks as VP doesn't matter much. The pundits are already breaking down the election and with months to go have already pointed out about 6 states that are the only ones up for grab.

You do realize McCain is 70+ right? I'm not voting for him but if I was I'd be damned concerned who he picks as VP.

 

[Fern]

Originally posted by: Throckmorton

Originally posted by: DukeN
He's also the only Republican with the business intelligence to fix some of the economical issues facing the US.

Didn't Wall Street cause this credit crisis in the first place?

The connection of businses experience with economic policy is tenuous. Hell, it's even a conflict of interest. A corporate government is as bad as a theocracy or communist state.

Wall Street doesn't necassarily equate to business in general. They're in a very specialized environment there.

Romney's got a whole lot more experience than something that narrow. Working with Bain & Co. should have given him a lot of experience in many different industries.

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I'm the gov of SC is to much like Quale, I don't see him getting picked.

I think McCain may have a problem getting his top choices for the VP slot to agree to come onboard. Why give up a great position in the governor's mansion to run around campaigning then be unemployed? However, I'm sure a guy like Romney, holding no current gov position and having Pres aspirations, would jump at the chance.

My guess is that McCain's top choice would be Pawley (sp?) of MN. But it sounds like he's not interested.

Fern

 

[Phokus]

It's funny but Romney is basically Kerry on steroids. How one can call Kerry a flip flopper on 2004 but support Romney is a truly astounding case of cognitive dissonance.

 

[Vic]

Originally posted by: daveymark
talks of romney as VP are swirling again. this race is McCain's to lose, if he choses a conservative like romney, conservatives will come out in droves. if not, conservatives will stay home and the dem candidate will win easily

One of these days, you guys really gotta share with me this good crack you're always smoking.

Romney will be the VP pick. Obama will still win the Presidency in a mild landslide. I'm willing to put money on it, just let me know.

The issues here for "conservatives" are:
1. You won the last 2 go-arounds, and not only was your guy anything BUT conservative, but he's the most unpopular President in modern history. That alone will cost the R's so many swing votes it's not even funny.
2. McCain is not a conservative. He's a full-blown neocon with delusions of reformist Republicanism (a la TR, but without the heart or the brain).
3. The Religious Right absolutely hate McCain. South Carolina primary in 2000, remember? He might get them back by picking Huckabee, but he won't go. And a Mormon like Romney won't appeal to them.
4. Despite Rush's love for him, Romney isn't a real conservative as well. His record as governor of MA speaks as someone more than willing to appeal to the left.

Long story short: conservatives stay home. And good, because quite frankly, the liberals are more conservative than conservatives these days. It's pathetic.

 

[nageov3t]

I'd put $50 on Romney not being the VP pick

McCain's hinted that he'd only serve one term if elected, how his VP will stand up as a 2012 GE candidate will be at the forefront of everyone's mind.

 

[drbrock]

Originally posted by: Vic

Originally posted by: daveymark
talks of romney as VP are swirling again. this race is McCain's to lose, if he choses a conservative like romney, conservatives will come out in droves. if not, conservatives will stay home and the dem candidate will win easily

One of these days, you guys really gotta share with me this good crack you're always smoking.

Romney will be the VP pick. Obama will still win the Presidency in a mild landslide. I'm willing to put money on it, just let me know.

The issues here for "conservatives" are:
1. You won the last 2 go-arounds, and not only was your guy anything BUT conservative, but he's the most unpopular President in modern history. That alone will cost the R's so many swing votes it's not even funny.
2. McCain is not a conservative. He's a full-blown neocon with delusions of reformist Republicanism (a la TR, but without the heart or the brain).
3. The Religious Right absolutely hate McCain. South Carolina primary in 2000, remember? He might get them back by picking Huckabee, but he won't go. And a Mormon like Romney won't appeal to them.
4. Despite Rush's love for him, Romney isn't a real conservative as well. His record as governor of MA speaks as someone more than willing to appeal to the left.

Long story short: conservatives stay home. And good, because quite frankly, the liberals are more conservative than conservatives these days. It's pathetic.

could not have said that better myself. I like romney and am a conservative but there is no way elephants will win the race this year. the obama machine is unstoppable. Someone who can have a pastor that is a lunatic for 20 years, then shake that off and win more states is a force to be reckoned with.

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: Vic the liberals are more conservative than conservatives these days.

speaking of crack....