Interesting, please provide a link to where said that about this attack or stop being an ignorant troll.
Interesting, please provide a link to where said that about this attack or stop being an ignorant troll.
JSt0rm
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There was a 3rd attack at a Cambodian Restaurant in Paris.
Witnesses eating there said they heard an AK47 blindly firing inside and everyone got on the floor.
This sounds like a Mumbai style attack with terrorists going from target to target.
French TV is saying at least 60 dead now.
Witnesses eating there said they heard an AK47 blindly firing inside and everyone got on the floor.
This sounds like a Mumbai style attack with terrorists going from target to target.
French TV is saying at least 60 dead now.
CZroe
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He's referring to a statement where Obama said that extremists/terrorists/non-uniformed combatants were not Islamic because their violence was not reflective of the peaceful values of Islam.
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The Eagles of Death Metal were playing.
Apparently the club can hold 1500 people and it was sold out.
So sayeth the truth seeker. Why don't we let ole' rudder explain or are you and he the same person?
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Think you're mistaken.. we're the ones killing ISIS but Russia doesn't care about killing ISIS or at least didn't before the metrojet bombing.
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woolfe9998
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I haven't thus far shared my opinion that the US should go into Iraq and Syria with ground troops because this board has a very isolationist bent and I didn't feel like arguing the point. The fact is, these people will only grow more powerful until they are finally taken down, and they will never, ever be taken down until western powers and/or perhaps Russia undertakes a major ground campaign to remove them. I'd prefer that Russia did it, at least in Syria, but eventually we are going to do it if Russia does not.
What is happening in Paris is going to happen in the US eventually, and my bet is sooner rather than later. If it is a major attack with dozens to hundreds dead, at that point we won't have a choice. We may as well do it before it happens.
Those who think we'll be safe if we do the opposite and stop bombing them are naive. If we stop, they acquire more territory and only get stronger. We know the Arab armies are too weak and incompetent to take them on. It can't possibly do anything but get worse without western intervention, and the violence certainly will not be confined to the middle east.
They are already no ordinary terrorist group. They have billions in oil revenue and over 10 million people under their control. This isn't a state sponsored terrorist group - this is a terrorist state, and they will not stop killing people, both Muslim and western, until they are destroyed. These people are from another century. They want to murder everyone non-Muslin and every Muslim not practicing their version of it. These people do not belong in this world and need to be removed from it.
To be clear, I don't want to nation build in either country. I want us to go in with an overwhelming force and sweep through their territories on a search and destroy mission, then go home. This is what we should have done in Afghanistan in 2001 but which Bush was too incompetent to understand, and it's what we should do right now in Iraq.
And the fact that Bush's disastrous Iraq war had a hand in creating a fertile environment for Isis only strengthens the argument here. If we are partially responsible for the death and misery these people have wrought, then it is our moral obligation to clean it up.
What is happening in Paris is going to happen in the US eventually, and my bet is sooner rather than later. If it is a major attack with dozens to hundreds dead, at that point we won't have a choice. We may as well do it before it happens.
Those who think we'll be safe if we do the opposite and stop bombing them are naive. If we stop, they acquire more territory and only get stronger. We know the Arab armies are too weak and incompetent to take them on. It can't possibly do anything but get worse without western intervention, and the violence certainly will not be confined to the middle east.
They are already no ordinary terrorist group. They have billions in oil revenue and over 10 million people under their control. This isn't a state sponsored terrorist group - this is a terrorist state, and they will not stop killing people, both Muslim and western, until they are destroyed. These people are from another century. They want to murder everyone non-Muslin and every Muslim not practicing their version of it. These people do not belong in this world and need to be removed from it.
To be clear, I don't want to nation build in either country. I want us to go in with an overwhelming force and sweep through their territories on a search and destroy mission, then go home. This is what we should have done in Afghanistan in 2001 but which Bush was too incompetent to understand, and it's what we should do right now in Iraq.
And the fact that Bush's disastrous Iraq war had a hand in creating a fertile environment for Isis only strengthens the argument here. If we are partially responsible for the death and misery these people have wrought, then it is our moral obligation to clean it up.
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This is probably the final blow to the Schengen agreement. It's impossible and suicidal to keep the inner borders open with an unknown number of terrorists masquerading as "asylum seekers" roaming freely between the countries and tens of thousands more crossing the fallen outer borders every day. Closing the inner borders will at least make it easier to contain and deal with the terrorists.
Then we can begin a systematic deportation of all the "asylum seekers" currently roaming Europe looking for the "highest bidder", the country with the most generous welfare benefits. The final step would be to revoke all the residence permits and citizenships issued on false grounds, but that's probably still a long way off.
norseamd
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Sounds like the French security forces are moving. Hopefully they can stop the carnage.
So after things like this, will Europe learn to pull up their panties, stop bending over, and actually mobilize their military for attacking instead of defending and having people slaughtered? It's things like this that seem to be a kick to their ass indicating "WAKE THE FUCK UP. We can't clean up your mess"
Agreed. They should have done that hours ago. The moment they start shooting is the moment it's no longer a hostage situation. It's a bloodbath situation.
You want to use them as leverage for something - use them as leverage. The moment you shoot a single person is when you clearly aren't looking for anything.
Agreed. They should have done that hours ago. The moment they start shooting is the moment it's no longer a hostage situation. It's a bloodbath situation.
You want to use them as leverage for something - use them as leverage. The moment you shoot a single person is when you clearly aren't looking for anything.
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PottedMeat
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sounds like the french are storming the concert hall - i guess they don't want something happening like at the moscow theater
norseamd
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I just figured out that having a few men bloodbath a theatre until their deaths, and then also concurrently have some guys attack random restaurants and then run away, with everyone not knowing where you are and afraid you are around the corner is possibly an ingenious plan.
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