Deadly Shootings, Explosions In Paris

[Sheik Yerbouti]

Obama authorizes secret support for Syrian rebels



Hey Barrack Hussien Obama, could you please get our nose of out Syria?

We have no business there.

link to this claim?

 

[MagickMan]

Love you man. Just plain love you. A total state collapse because of some refugees who make up less than 1% of the total European population.

The muslim population is ~10% in France, I'm not sure WTF you're on about. It's common sense; Even if it isn't caused by refugees (which is very likely) traditional Europeans aren't reproducing, Muslims are (at 6x the normal rate). Just admit how fucking ignorant you are and move along.

 

[MagickMan]

Looky here looks like someone found the magic button to learn how to play the racist and/or religious discrimination card.

With over 2/3rds of Muslims in the USA believing that anyone should be killed for blasphemy, and >50% supporting Sharia law as the law of the land (look at Dearborn Michigan), this only shows how out of touch with reality you are. Islam has no place in the modern Western world, full stop.

 

[Aegeon]

traditional Europeans aren't reproducing Muslims are (at 6x the normal rate). Just admit how fucking ignorant you are and move along.

This is simply flat out untrue, especially when made as a general statement.

In France the birth rate is over the replacement level.
http://www.diplomatie.gouv.fr/en/fr...e-one-fact/article/2-01-the-average-number-of

The claim Muslims are reproducing at 6x the rate of other Europeans is simply wildly false.
http://www.reuters.com/article/2011...ion-idUSTRE70Q68E20110127#wTmRDdQVPjWb7zWD.97
http://dougsaunders.net/2013/09/10-myths-about-muslim-immigrants-in-the-west/

It sounds like you were relying on some wildly xenophobic and likely anti-muslim sources to get your information.

 

[Aegeon]

With over 2/3rds of Muslims in the USA believing that anyone should be killed for blasphemy, and >50% supporting Sharia law as the law of the land (look at Dearborn Michigan), this only shows how out of touch with reality you are. Islam has no place in the modern Western world, full stop.

Lying does not help your case.

If you were simply relying on some online source for these indisputably wildly false claims, you need to be way more careful in the future.

 

[woolfe9998]

I dunno why anybody would want to argue with him. He is just a mentally ill zealot that plays the tired racist card everytime on anybody that disagrees with his out-of-reality worldview.

PC-obsessed, self-righteous lunatics like him are worse than ISIS scum, at the very least the latter is pretty honest about how they want you dead.

Really, is it still posting in the thread? I thought that was the sound of a fly buzzing around in my ear. Does someone have a digital swatter handy?

 

[Grooveriding]

Religion has no place in the modern world, full stop.

Corrected.

 

[peonyu]

No surprise to anyone:

http://news.yahoo.com/syrian-passport-paris-attack-scene-belonged-asylum-seeker-164311704.html



Syrian passport at Paris attack scene belonged to asylum seeker: Greek minister

"Athens (AFP) - A Syrian passport found by police at the scene of the mass shooting in a Paris concert hall belonged to an asylum seeker who registered on a Greek island in October, a Greek minister said Saturday.

"We confirm that the Syrian passport holder came through the Greek island of Leros on October 3 where he was registered under EU rules," said a statement issued by Nikos Toskas, the minister for citizen protection."



Europeans - make sure to thank the EU and Angela Merkel for this ticking timebomb known as "refugees" that your leadership forced upon you. If the EU had any respect for its citizens or their safety, at the least they would have allowed Europeans to vote on something as dramatic [and nation changing] as bringing in 20+ million people in 10 years time...but alas, no.

 

[BeeBoop]

Everyone was just sitting ducks with nothing to defend themselves with. Security at Paris events don't have their own guns?

 

[WhipperSnapper]

Yeah, so why is it that they don't attack China, or Brazil, or well, anything but western countries exactly? Never seen any of you Islamic extremist "experts" attempt to explain that one.

Do those nations have large Muslim populations where terrorists could blend in? Is it easy for them to enter those nations? Perhaps they just aren't as exposed as the USA and Europe. Interacting with the Middle Eastern nations and taking in refugees and immigrants and allowing Muslim communities to grow and take root in your country can definitely expose you to terrorist attacks.

But your point is well taken. If we just kept out of the Middle East in the first place and let the Muslims do whatever they wanted over there, perhaps we wouldn't be having these problems.

 

[MagickMan]

Lying does not help your case.

If you were simply relying on some online source for these indisputably wildly false claims, you need to be way more careful in the future.

Really?

More than half (51%) of U.S. Muslims polled also believe either that they should have the choice of American or shariah courts, or that they should have their own tribunals to apply shariah. Only 39% of those polled said that Muslims in the U.S. should be subject to American courts.

https://www.centerforsecuritypolicy...uslims-shows-thousands-support-shariah-jihad/

You're incredibly naive, quit lying to yourself.

 

[jackstar7]

Goddamnit. What kind of cookies are on my system after clicking that link.

My fault. Should have known.

 

[woolfe9998]

Lying does not help your case.

If you were simply relying on some online source for these indisputably wildly false claims, you need to be way more careful in the future.

I think you need to do a little research yourself. There are literally dozens of opinion polls from reputable pollsters measuring Muslim attitudes toward terrorism and a variety of other topics. I won't link to anything specific because I'll be accused of cherry picking. Just google it and look around. While I think MagickMan leans toward paranoia on this issue because I don't think the demographic threat is that high, he is essentially correct about Muslim attitudes.

 

[Sheik Yerbouti]

Goddamnit. What kind of cookies are on my system after clicking that link.

My fault. Should have known.

yea certain posters and their 'sources' are less than safe places to click to.

 

[flexy]

allowing Muslim communities to grow and take root in your country can definitely expose you to terrorist attacks.

I mentioned it a day or so ago, I used to live in Berlin where entire districts are "VERY Muslim". Turkish grocers, Kebab bars, stores, jewelers, internet cafes etc.. WHERE-EVER YOU LOOK. Germany for example has a large Muslim populace SINCE THE 70s.

Don't you think that 45 years was enough time to "grow and take root"? So why is it that this "threat" is only recently? Why hasn't anything substantial happened in almost 45 years where Muslims are in Germany?

Terrorism/extremism doesn't come from nothing. It's NOT because they immigrate here. It's because of our presence in the M.E., not "Muslim communities that grow" in our nations. (Our presence in the M/E due to our dependency on their oil...etc..etc...) see how deep the rabbit hole goes.

 

[WhipperSnapper]

Only thing I want to hear out of Kerry's mouth is this line: "We will work with Russia to kill ISIS and to restore the states of Iraq and Syria." Because that's the proper way forward from this.

To end this situation you end ISIS holding territory.

We also need to restore the power of brutal dictators in Iraq and Syria who will squelch political dissent and Islamic radicalism on their own. This entire mess started when the USA destabilized Iraq and Syria by removing Saddam Hussein and weakening Assad.

 

[cubby1223]

This is simply flat out untrue, especially when made as a general statement.

In France the birth rate is over the replacement level.
http://www.diplomatie.gouv.fr/en/fr...e-one-fact/article/2-01-the-average-number-of

Interesting, you highlight France because it's apparently at the highest level at 2.01 children per woman, or in other words, 2.01 children per every 2 adults. Just barely scrapping the surface of "above replacement". But the article doesn't split the statistics up by demographics, only the country as a whole. And that's the point of the comment you responded to.

 

[DCal430]

Yeah, so why is it that they don't attack China, or Brazil, or well, anything but western countries exactly? Never seen any of you Islamic extremist "experts" attempt to explain that one.

Wow you really are very ignorant. There have been multiple Muslim terrorist attacks in China. Some resulting in dozens of deaths. Please educate your self.

 

[woolfe9998]

Number of Islamic terrorist attacks world wide from 1990-1999: 27
Number of Islamic terrorist attacks from 1/1/15 to 6/26/15: 47

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Islamist_terrorist_attacks

More Islamic terror attacks in the first 6 months of this year than in the entire decade of the 90's. If you were to look at the data in this link and plot it into a line graph, it would look something like a hockey stick.

 

[Brian Stirling]

That's idiotic. Why would we choose randomly? Iran has had it coming for a while, and this is our chance.

So, this attack, perpetrated by ISIS and there sympathizers, and a group Iran has been fighting, is an opportunity to attack ... Iran -- I bet if you pull off your mask you're actually Dick Cheney.

Even if Iran is a threat and I agree that they are we have to understand and learn from the fuck ups made when we invaded Iraq while still engaged in Afghanistan. One fucking war at a time please.

Amazing that these attacks in France perpetrated by ISIS is reason to attack Iran even though Iran is ... wait for it ... fighting ISIS.


Brian

 

[Aegeon]

Really?



https://www.centerforsecuritypolicy...uslims-shows-thousands-support-shariah-jihad/

You're incredibly naive, quit lying to yourself.

So in other words you have practically no judgement and believe in preposterous claims.

"The Center for Security Policy (CSP) is a national security think tank based in Washington, DC that has been widely accused of engaging in conspiracy theorizing by a range of individuals, media outlets and organizations. Its activities are focused on what it claims is a secret, global campaign to destroy western civilization."
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Center_for_Security_Policy

Just off the bat, the fact the poll it is citing is online online leads to all sorts of alarm bells unless its methodology is very careful. More to the point, even upon casual examination, some of the demographic data is clearly incredibly implausible, such as 15% of the "Muslims" interviewed happening to be Hispanic. To cover some of the other issues with the poll including that its "opt in".

http://bridge.georgetown.edu/new-poll-on-american-muslims-is-grounded-in-bias-riddled-with-flaws/

Incidentally since its not made clear in your commentary or the poll, what a portion of the 51% are ACTUALLY pretty clearly advocating, even in the case of the clearly dubious poll, in many cases would be Sharia law being an option for Muslims to voluntarily solve their differences instead of a lawsuit in the regular court system. (In other words civil cases not criminal ones.)

To put things in perspective, Jewish law courts to allow people to voluntarily handle civil cases have existed for a long time in the US and there are similar options for many church denominations.
http://www.pewforum.org/2013/04/08/applying-gods-law-religious-courts-and-mediation-in-the-us/

 

[cubby1223]

Number of Islamic terrorist attacks world wide from 1990-1999: 27
Number of Islamic terrorists attacks from 1/1/15 to 6/26/15: 47

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Islamist_terrorist_attacks

More Islamic terror attacks in the first 6 months of this year than in the entire decade of the 90's.

Is that because:
(1) we are creating terrorists
(2) the new-fangled invention known as the internet allows instant anonymous global coordination between many individuals

 

[Brian Stirling]

Attacks were done by ISIS.

Iran is fighting ISIS.

Why would we attack Iran over what happened in Paris?

Not enough grey matter to comprehend what you're saying. I think Nebor is actually Dick Cheney in disguise...


Brian

 

[Aegeon]

Interesting, you highlight France because it's apparently at the highest level at 2.01 children per woman, or in other words, 2.01 children per every 2 adults. Just barely scrapping the surface of "above replacement". But the article doesn't split the statistics up by demographics, only the country as a whole. And that's the point of the comment you responded to.

Here is some more data on the general point.

"Studies in France show that immigrant women tend to have children during their first two years in France — an effect that, once taken into account, lowers the real French Muslim fertility rate from 2.5 children to 2.2, barely above the native-born French rate. A similar effect is found in Sweden."
http://news.nationalpost.com/full-comment/book-excerpt-the-muslim-tide-that-wasnt

Regardless of how you count it, it in no way resembles some sort of wild claim of 6x the birth rate of the native Christian/non-religious population. The big picture is the birth rate difference is not high enough for the countries to be relatively quickly overrun by Muslims in the way some sources have tried to claim.

 

[Svnla]

One American killed in the attack (so far) = http://www.cbsnews.com/news/paris-attacks-americans-us-state-department/