Dead Space is the last straw!

[LumbergTech]

I enjoyed the PC version despite its flaws

 

[PingSpike]

Originally posted by: Raduque

Originally posted by: mindcycle

Originally posted by: GodlessAstronomer
Well excuse me but fuck the hell off. I play on PC so I can use my mouse and keyboard. It's probably the number 1 draw card for PC gaming to me.

Agreed

It's people like you two and PingSpike who make me ashamed to call myself a PC Gamer. You and the others like you turn up your nose at anything that's not "MOUSE AND OMFGSPLOOGE KEYBOARD!!!111one" and instantly dismiss a game that doesn't lend itself to a mouse and keyboard.

You're like the French of gaming.

LOL...I'm sorry we make you "ashamed to call yourself a PC Gamer" by demanding functional mouse support in a PC game and balk at plugging a game controller they don't own into their PC instead. I'm sure you'll live though. I don't have infinite time to play games, and I'm certainly not going to waste any of it on Dead Space when the developers couldn't even be bothered to correctly implement something as rudimentary as a basic control scheme. I won't be losing any sleep over it.

 

[Liet]

Yah. I don't think it's unreasonable to expect a game sold for PC to have basic mouse/keyboard support, instead of running inputs through analog controller code.

 

[mindcycle]

Originally posted by: Liet
Yah. I don't think it's unreasonable to expect a game sold for PC to have basic mouse/keyboard support, instead of running inputs through analog controller code.

Agreed. It obviously wasn't cost effective to redesign that aspect of it. We all know it boils down to re-design cost vs profit for these ports. ..and if you don't, now you do.

 

[AbAbber2k]

Originally posted by: ConstipatedVigilante
I played Dead Space all the way through with mouse/keyboard. If you're complaining about the controls being slow, that's probably because you're not supposed to be walking around with your gun drawn the whole time. You turn to your targets, aim, and shoot. If you can't kill the enemies with the help of stasis, exploding barrels, and the awesome weapons, then you just suck at shooting games.

No shit... a maxed out Plasma Cutter rapes undead space zombies like you wouldn't believe.

I never touched anything but the Plasma Cutter, Rifle and Contact Beam cept to play with a bit. Did carry around the Force Gun for a while and used it a LITTLE in close combat, but could have easily done without it. Would have had more room for plasma rounds.

 

[nismotigerwvu]

Originally posted by: SMOGZINN

Originally posted by: nismotigerwvu
What you are saying is that when I said "someone's opinion is not always a fact" it was just an opinion and not a fact.
This implies that you feel opinions are always facts.
In my opinion you're just an antisocial moron with nothing better to do than threadcap and added nothing to conversation.
By your logic, this must be true.

I'll rise to your bad logic, and raise you some good logic.
We will start with the simplist SIC. I gave only one opionion SIC.

What you are saying is that when I said "someone's opinion is not always a fact" it was just an opinion and not a fact.
This implies that you feel opinions are always facts.

Now, let us consider this for a moment. How exactly does his statement imply what he believes? Unless you can back up with some evidence, then you can not declaratively SIC state that he was referencing your 'someone's opinion is not always a fact' statement, nor can you say that even if he was that he believes that statement to be false.
It appears that while writing that statement you might have realized that the logic of the argument was over your head and decided to resort to name calling. That says way more about your intellectually credibility then any ethical dilemma surrounding my use of declarative statements ever could. Giving up any semblance of an argument and resorting to name calling really is the depths of intellectual uselessness.

And you call me out for posting opinion, but you do not bother to rebut my opinion, nor even to point out what you believe to be opinion, and to top it off you claim that I somehow declared myself a authority as ?the mature voice of reason? which can be nothing but your opinion.

So, basically you yourself posted a bunch of opinions which, which you disguise as facts, and that have nothing to do with the topic, and when someone questioned you on it you instead of defending your postion simply become insulting.

I'm the one that should be ignored?

Having fun trolling yet?
Does this is even involve deadspace for you anymore?
Did it ever?
Nice threadcrap you've got going there, I'm done with you.
But yes, I guess my "opionion" is "simplist".
Whatever that may mean.
I'm just going to turn the lights back off, and fire this one up on my 360 again, really was a nice scare at times.

 

[SMOGZINN]

Originally posted by: nismotigerwvu

Originally posted by: SMOGZINN

Originally posted by: nismotigerwvu
What you are saying is that when I said "someone's opinion is not always a fact" it was just an opinion and not a fact.
This implies that you feel opinions are always facts.
In my opinion you're just an antisocial moron with nothing better to do than threadcap and added nothing to conversation.
By your logic, this must be true.

I'll rise to your bad logic, and raise you some good logic.
We will start with the simplist SIC. I gave only one opionion SIC.

What you are saying is that when I said "someone's opinion is not always a fact" it was just an opinion and not a fact.
This implies that you feel opinions are always facts.

Now, let us consider this for a moment. How exactly does his statement imply what he believes? Unless you can back up with some evidence, then you can not declaratively SIC state that he was referencing your 'someone's opinion is not always a fact' statement, nor can you say that even if he was that he believes that statement to be false.
It appears that while writing that statement you might have realized that the logic of the argument was over your head and decided to resort to name calling. That says way more about your intellectually credibility then any ethical dilemma surrounding my use of declarative statements ever could. Giving up any semblance of an argument and resorting to name calling really is the depths of intellectual uselessness.

And you call me out for posting opinion, but you do not bother to rebut my opinion, nor even to point out what you believe to be opinion, and to top it off you claim that I somehow declared myself a authority as ?the mature voice of reason? which can be nothing but your opinion.

So, basically you yourself posted a bunch of opinions which, which you disguise as facts, and that have nothing to do with the topic, and when someone questioned you on it you instead of defending your postion simply become insulting.

I'm the one that should be ignored?

Having fun trolling yet?
Does this is even involve deadspace for you anymore?
Did it ever?
Nice threadcrap you've got going there, I'm done with you.
But yes, I guess my "opionion" is "simplist".
Whatever that may mean.
I'm just going to turn the lights back off, and fire this one up on my 360 again, really was a nice scare at times.

Ah, someone taught you what SIC means, but not how to use it.
You couldn't refute my argument, so you attacked my spelling, and had the audacity to call me the troll. I am not the one that thread capped, I made a statement, that could have been discussed in terms of the OP's questions. You are the one that then came in to tell us how much smarter you are then everyone else.
Really, I?m a little disappointed. You don't even use the appeal to emotion arguments particularly well.

 

[nismotigerwvu]

When used in a quote SIC means printed as in the original, leaving the incorrect form intact.
I quoted you verbatim.
Perhaps whomever taught you the meaning was a little misguided.
Again, I'd like to know what this has to do with deadspace.
Also, just to please you, go through and find anything I've said in this thread that wasn't an opinion and stated as such.
I'm not a fan of antisocial behavior, especially in response to decent statement.
If you REALLY feel EA is doing an incredible job with their ports and general developing priorities then....well...perhaps you're more delusional than it seemed "a primera vista".

 

[ConstipatedVigilante]

Originally posted by: AbAbber2k

Originally posted by: ConstipatedVigilante
I played Dead Space all the way through with mouse/keyboard. If you're complaining about the controls being slow, that's probably because you're not supposed to be walking around with your gun drawn the whole time. You turn to your targets, aim, and shoot. If you can't kill the enemies with the help of stasis, exploding barrels, and the awesome weapons, then you just suck at shooting games.

No shit... a maxed out Plasma Cutter rapes undead space zombies like you wouldn't believe.

I never touched anything but the Plasma Cutter, Rifle and Contact Beam cept to play with a bit. Did carry around the Force Gun for a while and used it a LITTLE in close combat, but could have easily done without it. Would have had more room for plasma rounds.

I used the Line Gun a fair bit, partly because its mines absolutely own those aliens that sit on the walls and shoot out the little stick things that shoot at you. And it owns aliens running at you in a line.

 

[spittledip]

Originally posted by: videogames101

Originally posted by: jonks
turn off vsync.

or plug in a 360 controller which every pc gamer should have anyway. if you spend $200+ on a graphics card, shell out $30 so you can enjoy games that control better with a gamepad.

i started the game with the gamepad and after getting mauled over and over in the asteroids section, switched to m/kb and found i preferred it, and stuck with that the rest of the game.

i had no problems either way and thought it was a great game. props to EA for experimenting with new franchises. between this and mirror's edge they're branching out successfully. drm has never affected me negatively as I don't reinstall windows every week. like 99% of people out there, I'm quite happy with my pc gaming and have no plans to buy a console.

Gamepads suck for everything except racing.

you are correct.

 

[Malladine]

Originally posted by: spittledip

Originally posted by: videogames101

Originally posted by: jonks
turn off vsync.

or plug in a 360 controller which every pc gamer should have anyway. if you spend $200+ on a graphics card, shell out $30 so you can enjoy games that control better with a gamepad.

i started the game with the gamepad and after getting mauled over and over in the asteroids section, switched to m/kb and found i preferred it, and stuck with that the rest of the game.

i had no problems either way and thought it was a great game. props to EA for experimenting with new franchises. between this and mirror's edge they're branching out successfully. drm has never affected me negatively as I don't reinstall windows every week. like 99% of people out there, I'm quite happy with my pc gaming and have no plans to buy a console.

Gamepads suck for everything except racing.

you are correct.

i disagree...racing and beatemups...

 

[Liet]

I tried playing L4D on an Xbox360 yesterday and wanted to shoot myself in the head. My accuracy was great, but controllers are just too limiting for precision aiming. If only L4D was cross-platform, so we could have some definitive comparisons on controllers vs. kb/mouse. I know, I know, I've said it before... But I really want it.

 

[spittledip]

Originally posted by: Malladine

Originally posted by: spittledip

Originally posted by: videogames101

Originally posted by: jonks
turn off vsync.

or plug in a 360 controller which every pc gamer should have anyway. if you spend $200+ on a graphics card, shell out $30 so you can enjoy games that control better with a gamepad.

i started the game with the gamepad and after getting mauled over and over in the asteroids section, switched to m/kb and found i preferred it, and stuck with that the rest of the game.

i had no problems either way and thought it was a great game. props to EA for experimenting with new franchises. between this and mirror's edge they're branching out successfully. drm has never affected me negatively as I don't reinstall windows every week. like 99% of people out there, I'm quite happy with my pc gaming and have no plans to buy a console.

Gamepads suck for everything except racing.

you are correct.

i disagree...racing and beatemups...

Keyboard only is great for most arcade games (including beat-em-ups) except for fighting games like SF2 and VF series, etc. For those you really need a joystick.

 

[MTDEW]

Originally posted by: Liet

Originally posted by: skace
A gamepad is not needed for Dead Space, the controls work flawlessly once V-Sync is disabled. It's a horrible oversight but a trivial fix once known.

It helps, but that's not a total solution. Even with V-Sync off, Sensitivity maxed out, the controls are STILL too slow. Plus, now I have to play the game with annoying tearing whenever there's a flashing light, which is everywhere in this game.

Horrible and sloppy work by the devs. Inexcusable.

Disable v-sync in game
Then force v-sync in your video cards control panel, solves both problems

BTW: I'm one who loved the game, i thought it was great.
Guess nobody noticed this is one of the few ports NOBODY complains about performance!
Game looks great and runs great!!

The sooner some get over expecting FPS controls and just play the game, the sooner they will know how good it is also.

 

[Liet]

Reproducable CTDs in elevators (and random crashes otherwise) when using any type of hologram menu. Standard hardware. A good number of people affected. Shoddy coding.

Edit: Just so you know, I thought it was a good game as well. The technical side of it was a horrible disgusting mess, though.

 

[AbAbber2k]

Originally posted by: Liet
Reproducable CTDs in elevators (and random crashes otherwise) when using any type of hologram menu. Standard hardware. A good number of people affected. Shoddy coding.

Edit: Just so you know, I thought it was a good game as well. The technical side of it was a horrible disgusting mess, though.

Never crashed ONCE after 1.5 times through the game. Whats your rig?

Originally posted by: MTDEW
The sooner some get over expecting FPS controls and just play the game, the sooner they will know how good it is also.

This. At first I hated it... then I ignored it and started playing. After a while I started to appreciate it. Its not an FPS... its a 3rd person survival horror game. Twitch FPS controls would ruin it.

 

[Liet]

Q6600 @ stock 2.4
Gigabyte X48-DQ6
eVGA 8800GT (G92)
4MB Mushkin 5-4-4-12
XP Pro, fully patched.

Standard stuff, latest drivers, fairly clean system. It's a Visual C++ error that happens randomly when using the RIG hologram menus, and a guaranteed crash when using one while in an elevator. There were a bunch of threads about this on the EA tech forums when the game first came out. I'd try and find you some links, but their search feature is horrendous.

I also had a fun moment when replaying it on Hard, when the difficulty magically changed to Normal on Chapter 10.

Really, I don't think EA tried hard enough with QA on the PC version.

 

[hooflung]

I can run Dead Space at the max res and it *runs* smooth as silk on my C2D with an 8800GS and on my A64 6000+ with a GTX 260 216. However, the game does play funky compared to my PS3. I love it on the PS3 on my 42" 1080p TV but I can't stand it on my PC because of the controls.

I'll stick to the PS3, a long with the other great games on it and coming out for it. Everquest 2, EVE and L4D are the only PC games I can see playing for a while. Far Cry 2 is a joke of a game and even though it came with my graphics card for FREE I feel I got taken for a ride.

 

[EnzoLT]

just played an hour worth of dead space. the controls are slow........i have sensitivity way up and vsync off but it is slow and unresponsive..........i really dont understand why its "scary" its just blood and guts. if blood and guts constitute scary.....well whatever floats your boat, i guess. its not too bad of a game but as Liet said:

Originally posted by: Liet
Really, I don't think EA tried hard enough with QA on the PC version.