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SunnyD
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WOW u went and did all those upgrades?
I actually sat down with a calc, and started totaling up stuff.
If i added all the options the member posted suggested, this unit would cost as much as my 2P Sammy.
In that regards, i gave up on it.
But im interesting to know how much of a boost it would get with all those upgrades.
??? Not sure if you're genuinely surprised or just mocking me.
1GB ram upgrade - $13 from FS/FT. Also picked up the E2140 off FS/FT for an excellent price. AS5 in my stock box from my desktop build. After selling off the "old" parts, net cost of my upgrades will probably be about $20. So total cost (not including the HDDs, all of which came from FS/FT for what it's worth) will be about $150. Oh yeah, WHS was free (TechNet sub provided by my employer for my personal use). Not to mention that I sold my old nas at a profit, so the actual net cost will be negative for the upgrades.
Looks good to me! I'd venture a guess they have the Case and CPU temps swapped like most programs I've seen do. But yeah, those temps look just about identical to the Celeron it comes with. And yes, SpeedStep is working, I was mostly curious since the folks with the E5200's were saying there were issues with the clock speeds. :thumbsup:
The E5200 is a 45nm chip and not supported by the motherboard. I think that is why people are having issues with the chip.
I have to agree about the price. I spent around $200 for the whole thing and I'm very glad I did. The upgrades have given me a big speed boost and I'm now pushing 60 MBps+ on transfers. So I'd say it's worth it.
No Services allowed, No sales outside of Fs/FT.
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Two (perhaps dumb) questions, please; my interest is in loading either Linux (Puppy or DSL) or perhaps OSX:
1. is there room to install a small sata or ide SSD on the motherboard? (Or, is it possible to replace the DOM with a larger capacity)?
2. what is the difference between the ss4200-e and -ehw ? (The Intel website has a pdf of specs for the "-e", but not for the "-ehw".) The -ehw is available (at least in Europe) at a lower price, so if the difference is only the installed software, then for all wishing to install WHS (or Linux), isn't the -ehw a better deal?
1. is there room to install a small sata or ide SSD on the motherboard? (Or, is it possible to replace the DOM with a larger capacity)?
2. what is the difference between the ss4200-e and -ehw ? (The Intel website has a pdf of specs for the "-e", but not for the "-ehw".) The -ehw is available (at least in Europe) at a lower price, so if the difference is only the installed software, then for all wishing to install WHS (or Linux), isn't the -ehw a better deal?
skyking
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I have not seen one, but you could do quite a bit with the 256MB available.
This link is for the slug with an ARM processor, but it gives you the idea and methods for building a really small OS image, using the USB ports for portable drives, building portable raid arrays, etc. Fun stuff.
http://www.nslu2-linux.org/wiki/Main/HomePage
SS4200-e is the version that includes an OS and maybe harddrive. SS4200-ehw is the "hardware" edition and does not include either.
The DOM is an IDE port. I'm guessing you could use that port to install an IDE drive, but I don't know for sure.
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1. Yes there's room for a couple of 2.5" hard drives mounted creatively over by the power supply, *BUT* if you use the SATA controller in anything OTHER than compatible mode you lose the IDE port after switching away from int13 BIOS control - at least with the standard Windoze drivers I've tried.
2. Intel has both -E and -EHW info online:
http://www.intel.com/support/motherboards/server/ss4200-e/index.htm
http://www.intel.com/support/motherboards/server/ss4200ehw/
but I believe the -EHW is intended for Windows Home Server installs and either does NOT include the DOM or includes one without the EMC Linux.
HTH,
Richard
skyking & LikeLinus - Thank you for your help !
skyking - lot's to learn, but a neat link. Is this route preferable to using Puppy or DSL Linux?
skyking - lot's to learn, but a neat link. Is this route preferable to using Puppy or DSL Linux?
Regarding the two Intel models, I wrote to Intel today, and received this reply:
SS4200-E comes with a Disk on Module (DOM) that also includes the EMC software.
SS4200-EHW does not have DOM; instead you need to install WHS or other software.
SS4200-E comes with a Disk on Module (DOM) that also includes the EMC software.
SS4200-EHW does not have DOM; instead you need to install WHS or other software.
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no im genuinely curious on how much of a upgrade you will get from all that stuff.
Not mocking you.
As i said i picked up my sammy system for really cheap, and i can pick up another one.
Im honestly curious on how powerful the system will be in aspect to a sammy after all those upgrades.
Were looking at low voltage systems, thats why. Its not just voltage, its also performance for the voltage that i really care about.
SunnyD
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Alright... well, to answer what I'm looking for - the second core will help when I start dumping additional processes on the machine. Until then, not terribly much.
I added RAM, RAM is always useful - especially when I start dumping processes on it.
As far as AS5 or whatnot, no cost sunk then as I already have it laying around from previous builds. Might not make any difference, but I'm replacing a CPU so it'll need to be done anyway.
I already explained the hard drive situation, so while there's a cost involved, it would happen given this unit or any other NAS unit.
The software (WHS), as mentioned previously is free to me. While this isn't true for everybody, I have that luxury, so no added cost there.
All in all, it's break-even for me at worst. If I go ahead and sell off the old parts that are being replaced, then I likely come out ahead on overall cost (minus the cost suck for the NAS itself).
Performance per dollar - well, everybody is going to measure that differently. My wife, for example, simply wants fast, reliable access to her digital photos and the printers. She could couldn't care any less about an upgraded CPU (and in fact gave me a dirty look when I mentioned that was happening). Myself, I want reliable storage for not only my wife's photos, but all of the shit I don't want taking up HDD space on my computer. I also like to play around, and am a software developer to boot - so having a server capable of multiple roles such as a SQL server or VM server box without sacrificing performance on my primary desktop is desirable. With my minimal upgrades, it should be fairly obvious that they move toward this goal without impacting the primary function of the unit.
Basically, when it's all said and done, I'm pretty sure everybody can agree that what I'm doing for these upgrades will be worth the investment, especially if the investment ends up being essentially cost free.
What is a Sammy? I'm assuming it's some sort of Samsung NAS, but not sure. It's hard to tell you how they will compare when we don't have information about your system.
Well, my upgrade to 2GB of RAM and the E2220 has given me a 100% increase in transfer speeds. I went from lower 30's MBps to 60 MBps. The RAM I had pulled from an old system and the CPU cost me $50 shipped. So in all the NAS cost me $200 shipped. I used AS5 that I had left over from a past CPU install. The RAM would cost you around $45-50 new. So you're looking at $250 total out of pocket if you started from scratch with nothing.
This does not include HDs obviously. Most NAS that you can pick up for this amount of money do not include a HD. Also, I have WHS via Action Pack and it did not cost me anything.
That will give you a Dual Core 2.4GHZ server with 2GB of RAM. I don't know many NAS for $200-$250 that powerful.
The great thing about WHS is that it is very easy to admin and provides a more robust OS than any standard NAS provides.
I can't give you an voltage information without looking at my console when I get home. I do know that my temps are exactly the same as the Celeron it replaced. I can't imagine that it takes much more v. to power.
I got my unit from LegendMicro and am curious as to how others have powered up their DOMs? Mine has a standard power adapter coming off of it but there are no standard power leads, only the 4 SATA power cables. Getting the dreaded blinking power light but I haven't zero'd my drives yet so that might be that issue. Any advice on how to power the DOM or does that power connector not need to be connected? (Why is it there then!?!)
SunnyD
Belgian Waffler
Look carefully at the PSU cables around the motherboard. There's a standard 4-pin molex that should be hanging or coiled off, maybe tucked underneath something. In any event, there IS a standard 4-pin molex in there somewhere, you just have to dig around for it.
You rock!! I looked all over for that and completely missed it (wedged under the mobo/psu cable)... what a jackhole I am!! Thanks!!
skyking
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Not preferable, just another take on it. I built my own microserver on an embedded 5.25" via 1000mhz board with debian, but this thing looks nice. I'll never get the speeds that this gets, but I'm happy with 30~35MB/sec.
If I were working I'd be tempted to get one and hack away for hours
Hrmmm, still having issues... wiped all drives and partitions (courtesy of gparted) and now the box gets an ip but software (Intel) wont find it, its not pingable and power light is blinking (4 drive lights are solid though)... ideas?
What are you using to benchmark this?
I ran attobench on the console but that's not a really interesting number I'd think.
Richard
SunnyD
Belgian Waffler
Well you apparently have to get the latter part of this fixed first:
you mean http:// right?
You probably need to log in and build the array first before you can do anything with it. Fix the login problems first, and then go from there. (Unplug all your drives and see if you can log in as a starting point)
HTTP yeah, sorry.
No drives installed, DOM installed and power connector connected equals all 4 drive lights blinking blue and power light blinking blue. Does not grab an IP address in this mode.
No drives installed, DOM installed and power connector connected equals all 4 drive lights blinking blue and power light blinking blue. Does not grab an IP address in this mode.
Tried the reset function with both 2 and 4 drives.. gets ip, reboots then power light flashes and can't ping/connect... WTF!?!
It will bring up the status window if I try during the reset process and says:
The device is being restarted.
The device is restarting...
Once it restarts though, blinking power light and no connection... ugh.
It will bring up the status window if I try during the reset process and says:
The device is being restarted.
The device is restarting...
Once it restarts though, blinking power light and no connection... ugh.
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