ahaha, i ran outta money. I cant aford this card anymore. I guess i have no choice but buy the 6600GT. Either way, the only game ill be playing is guild wars and GW will run great on either card.
Whoa, are you kidding me?
Ok, first of all, point out what silly methodology and meaningless comparisons they used in the neo4 and/or x800XL reviews?
You'd have to be nuts or just plain dumb to not realize that HardOCP is the only hardware review site on the internet who's video card comparison methodology actually MAKES sense, instead of the same tired apples-to-apples suite of sterile synthetic benchmarks you get everywhere else.
go look at their msi neo4 sli review, and see how they claim it's 10% faster them asus a8n-sli in most tests, including gaming. Now compare that to anandtech comparison review, or T-break, or any other site, and you'll see neo4 is not any faster then a8n-sli, and defintely not 10% in ANY test. That's a pretty serious error right there. Funny thing is that they used to have a note at the end of the neo4 review saying that they MIGHT have run the tests with the auto-overclocking turned on BY MISTAKE and they will be LOOKING INTO THAT problem in the future. Since then the note was removed, but the results were not modified or any benchmarks re-tested.
If you just look at their latest review of the Shuttle SN25P (http://hardocp.com/article.html?art=NzYx) you'll see a prime example of a very poor review - it starts with the titile "Grammatical & Spelling Editor: Timothy Daniel" - WTF IS THAT ? they use Jedi Knight 2 and Commanche 4 (wtf is that?) for measuring audio performance ? In the comparative benchmarks, one of the most important section is to explain the test setup and systems being tested. They claim to test the SN25P with a A64 4000+ and 3800+, but in the results there is no 3800+ on the SN25P, only a 3000+. Whatever if it's a typo or something else it shows you what their testing is like. They also include the A8V mobo but using a FX-55 ??? how is that helpful in comparing against the SN25P with a 4000+ ? the list goes on and on. Basically it's just a bunch of random measurements which maybe give a spot check of some special circumstance but are not helpful at all in comparing performance. btw, same thing with video cards, while it may be nice to know which resolution they consider optimal for this card or that, the fact they compare two cards running under two different settings is just stupid. And so r u if you think this makes any sense
If you just look at their latest review of the Shuttle SN25P (http://hardocp.com/article.html?art=NzYx) you'll see a prime example of a very poor review - it starts with the titile "Grammatical & Spelling Editor: Timothy Daniel" - WTF IS THAT ? they use Jedi Knight 2 and Commanche 4 (wtf is that?) for measuring audio performance ? In the comparative benchmarks, one of the most important section is to explain the test setup and systems being tested. They claim to test the SN25P with a A64 4000+ and 3800+, but in the results there is no 3800+ on the SN25P, only a 3000+. Whatever if it's a typo or something else it shows you what their testing is like. They also include the A8V mobo but using a FX-55 ??? how is that helpful in comparing against the SN25P with a 4000+ ? the list goes on and on. Basically it's just a bunch of random measurements which maybe give a spot check of some special circumstance but are not helpful at all in comparing performance. btw, same thing with video cards, while it may be nice to know which resolution they consider optimal for this card or that, the fact they compare two cards running under two different settings is just stupid. And so r u if you think this makes any sense
when is friggin nvidia goin to drop the price on the 6800gt ? come on if thet dfference become any larger I will also give up on the sli option and go with X800XL which runs faster than 6800GT in my favorite game Chaos Theory with 4xAA/8xAF (which is what you WANT to run at cause it makes a huge difference in this game) SM3 is nice but not a deal breaker
Y u little...."roughly 5-8%" eh ? ok, maybe xbitlabs result are not good enough for you because of driver issues, etc, but simialr reults are reported by the firing squad:
http://www.firingsquad.com/hardware/half-life_2_performance/
this is an in-depth review comapring performance in half-life 2. Although they only have the X800XT and not the X800XL, keep in mind they the difference between them is about 5%. You can clearly see that in many benchmarks the X800XT OWNZZZ the 6800GT, like in d1_canals_09 (water map) 1280x1024 it's 100 fps vs 50.6 !!! throw in 4xAA/8xAF (the preferred quality settings) and you're looking at 63.7 fps vs 35.4 !!! In the d1_calnals_01a demo @1280x1024 4xAA/8xAF the difference is still over 20%: 76.6 fps vs 62.8 !!!!
Believe what you will , but the results speak for themselves, and trying to twist the truth will not get you anywhere.
Hi user1234,
Your obviously an ATI fan-addict and your just a guilty and the Nvidia fan-addicts and I wish you buttheads would stop all that 'MY DOG IS BETTER THAN YOUR DOG!" BS and instead bitch about the fact that there are only 2 main players out there who have the market cornered to there advantage instead of there being 5 or more major players competing for our hard earned dollars!!! As far as the 6800GT 256MB coming down in price check out the Leadtek 6800GT selling at New Egg for $299 shipped or check out the BFG 6800GT selling at FuturePowerPC for $330.00 shipped. And just recently as posted in this forum Outpost.com was selling the BFG 6800 Ultra for $349.00 after rebate; show me where you can get a X800XT for that price??? Naturally a game coded (in my opinion unfairly and illegally but hey.... that's the american way!) with ATI in mind would get the better benchmarks over its chief rival Nvidia but even with that unfair advantage with the latest 7x.xx drivers the Nvidia cards are catching up with ATI in HL2 benchmarks; see the latest HL2 banchmarks at Guru3D. With Doom 3 and the great Doom 3 engine the tables are turned and Nvidia is king and ATI the chump; even the lowly 6800 128MB can hold it's own with the X800XL 256MB and for proof check out these Doom 3 Benchmarks.
^^ lol I love idiots that compare PCI-e prices with AGP. This same idiot is using doom3 benchmarks as if the WHOLE friggin world doesnt know is OWNED by Nvidia. ATI will never come close to Nvidia in Doom3....but then again who cares? How many people play doom3 and how many people play HL2/source?
...oh and your guru 3d link just proves what people have been saying on this thread. The x800xl is a better buy @ 250 than the 6800gt @~400
Please stop posting, you are making yourself look like a retard.
...oh and your guru 3d link just proves what people have been saying on this thread. The x800xl is a better buy @ 250 than the 6800gt @~400
Please stop posting, you are making yourself look like a retard.
Clearly you're the fanboy since the post you quoted was talking about nVidia driver problems.
I've owned and currently own both ATI and nVidia parts and the modern drivers are about on par with each other. I do remember how it used to be in the old days though (and I do mean old days, I had a 2MB ATI 3DExpression+PC2TV card) and I would likely not buy an ATI card if their drivers were still as bad as they were in 1998. That said, it's not 1998 anymore and their drivers are solid stuff.
Stop being an idiot fanboy and maybe you'll actually get to enjoy ALL the legends of computer hardware instead of limiting yourself.
I've owned:
Original Radeon VIVO (original drivers were dog slow in D3D but they improved...VIVO and the DVD decoding was awesome though--always an ATI strong suit)
GeForce4 Ti4200 (Legendary budget king that can still run all the modern games)
Radeon 9500 (Well, this card isn't that good but I was hoping to unlock it, oh well...overclocks surprisingly well though)
GeForce 6800NU 256MB (Awesome because pipelines actually unlocked and I only have artifacting when I play videos in a small window then move them around...none in games or if I just keep the video window in one spot...no biggie)
If I had limited myself I'd have really missed out. Oh and that reminds me, I also owned the Matrox G400, which is probably my favorite card of all time even though it didn't even have a full OGL implementation until 2 years after I bought it...god I loved that card.
OK, can someone just cut through the crap and simply state what is the best overall performer for the larger percent of games? I have read here that the ATi is the best bang for the buck - is that the answer?I am building a high end rig and am on the fence between these two cards. SLi is not a priority right now, for me at least so that can be taken out of the equation.
It sounds like SM 3 is just a pipe dream right now and there is question if it will be fully implimented in the future. Is that a correct line of thought? If not, then the nVidia might be the way to go for future uses.
Thanks for you help - and good discussions here....
If you can use AGP, then get the 6800gt for $300. If you want the newer technology pci-e, then I'm sorry, it's just a much better deal to get the 250 dollar x800xl.
That is simply an awesome deal. I've used both a 6800gt and an x800xl, and I now have the x800xl because I upgraded from agp to pci-e, and paying 100+ premium wasn't even close to worth it.
I love playing half life 2 and splinter cell, so the choice was even easier. I think that doom 3 is one of the most pathetic games ever, but thats just my opinion so it might be a tougher choice for you. I'm not saying thats the only game that the 6800gt has an advantage in, but its the only one thats not close. the x800xl just cant keep up with doom 3 like the 6800gt, but its still definitely playable at most resolutions. SM3 will be helpful in the future, but not while a 6800gt is still a "high end" card.
It'll be like having a 9200 that supports dx9... who the heck cares? I say, spend less money on a non sli board, get a cheaper pci-e compatible x800xl for only 250, be ready for future upgrades, and you've just saved $100-150.
Save that money for the next gen. of cards, sell the x800xl, and with all that money, buy the next best bang for the buck, and watch it destroy a 6800gt sli.
That is simply an awesome deal. I've used both a 6800gt and an x800xl, and I now have the x800xl because I upgraded from agp to pci-e, and paying 100+ premium wasn't even close to worth it.
I love playing half life 2 and splinter cell, so the choice was even easier. I think that doom 3 is one of the most pathetic games ever, but thats just my opinion so it might be a tougher choice for you. I'm not saying thats the only game that the 6800gt has an advantage in, but its the only one thats not close. the x800xl just cant keep up with doom 3 like the 6800gt, but its still definitely playable at most resolutions. SM3 will be helpful in the future, but not while a 6800gt is still a "high end" card.
It'll be like having a 9200 that supports dx9... who the heck cares? I say, spend less money on a non sli board, get a cheaper pci-e compatible x800xl for only 250, be ready for future upgrades, and you've just saved $100-150.
Save that money for the next gen. of cards, sell the x800xl, and with all that money, buy the next best bang for the buck, and watch it destroy a 6800gt sli.
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Originally posted by: egore
I am building a high end rig and am on the fence between these two cards. SLi is not a priority right now, for me at least so that can be taken out of the equation.
It sounds like SM 3 is just a pipe dream right now and there is question if it will be fully implimented in the future. Is that a correct line of thought? If not, then the nVidia might be the way to go for future uses.
Thanks for you help - and good discussions here....
Easy answer. Get this card. It's almost $100 cheaper than the cheapest 6800GT and the performance difference in any game other than Doom3 and, upcoming, probably Quake4, is negligible.
SM3, right now, is not worth $100. The only game where SM3 might make a major difference is AoEIII, but it's still a way off and nobody knows how different it will look/run with SM3 compliant cards.
Thanks deheffer and HeroOfPellinor! Good advice. I had already ordered the 6800gt from ZZF, so I hope I can just refuse delivery and not be socked the 15% restocking fee....
And, yes I did order this card - looks like the best option right now for the money. Thanks again for your input!
And, yes I did order this card - looks like the best option right now for the money. Thanks again for your input!
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Update to indicate that this card is now the Retail version not OEM any more.
They drop this price another $1 and I'm in.
They drop this price another $1 and I'm in.
if you don't care about SLI or gaming in Linux, then get the X800XL, hands down (assuming you are talking about pci-e, the AGP prices are just about reversed). Even though 6800GT may have a slightly higher percentage of games where it's faster, I would say their overall performance is very close. But again, they differ in individual games, where in some cases one of them could lead the other by 20% or more.
btw, I am not ATI or NVIDIA fanboy !. I just want to correct the fanboys on both sides that say "6800GT is only better in doom3" or "X800XL is only better in HL2" that they are WRONG. 6800Gt also leads in Riddick, but X800XL scores a nice win Splinter Cell, despite the SM3 performance boost that this game gives to the 6800GT only. Also, I believe that 6800GT will have another win in the upcoming COD2, while X800XL will lead in all the Source Engine based games coming out this year. We'll have to see who wins BF2 and Unreal2. Overall the funny thing is that ATI has advantage in games with extensive use of shaders, despite not supporting the shader model 3. And Nvidia will continue to lead in Open GL based games.
btw, I am not ATI or NVIDIA fanboy !. I just want to correct the fanboys on both sides that say "6800GT is only better in doom3" or "X800XL is only better in HL2" that they are WRONG. 6800Gt also leads in Riddick, but X800XL scores a nice win Splinter Cell, despite the SM3 performance boost that this game gives to the 6800GT only. Also, I believe that 6800GT will have another win in the upcoming COD2, while X800XL will lead in all the Source Engine based games coming out this year. We'll have to see who wins BF2 and Unreal2. Overall the funny thing is that ATI has advantage in games with extensive use of shaders, despite not supporting the shader model 3. And Nvidia will continue to lead in Open GL based games.
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Ensemble Studios is one of the absolute premier game developers in the world. I suspect, if they're using SM3 they are actually taking advantage of it. Plus, who knows what R520 and G70 and their variants will hold and if I'm selling a card in a few months, I think I'll have an easier time moving a 6600GT and will also pay lower EBay and PP fees.
Other than the warranty, what else is included in the retail version? Any games and software goodies?
Don't forget future games - if you're going to drop $250+ on a new GFX card, make sure you get one that will do well on YOUR anticipated games. For me its RTCW-2 (based on Doom3 engine), so I'll be paying an extra $100 to get a 6800GT. If you keep the card for just 2 years, the 6800GT is only $0.14/day more expensive. Save those pennies!
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Whoa... $249.... droool
I wish it had been this cheap a couple weeks ago, I would have ditched my AGP motherboard and 9800pro and jumped on this.
I wish it had been this cheap a couple weeks ago, I would have ditched my AGP motherboard and 9800pro and jumped on this.
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Geez, dude....maybe go to their site and check for yourself?
http://www.connect3d-us.com/store/c3d_description.aspx
Confirms 2 year warranty. A guy on another forum said Monarch told him 3, but he may have been mistaken. 2 years is pretty decent.
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