*DEAD* Dayton 12" $120 + free ship

[Nohr]

The Dayton 12" has been discontinued! But the deal isn't dead, they've replaced it with the Dayton SUB-120 12" 150W for the same price of $120.60 shipped. The changes I notice are that it's front firing and has dual rear ports. Looks a bit sleeker with that grill on the front too.

It figures they'd discontinue the old one the same day UPS is supposed to deliver mine!

 

[screw3d]

Originally posted by: Nohr
The Dayton 12" has been discontinued! But the deal isn't dead, they've replaced it with the Dayton SUB-120 12" 150W for the same price of $120.60 shipped. The changes I notice are that it's front firing and has dual rear ports. Looks a bit sleeker with that grill on the front too.

It figures they'd discontinue the old one the same day UPS is supposed to deliver mine!

Oh no I hope this means a better sub. Otherwise it's kinda silly to replace something that has been (kinda) proven to work well.

 

[amheck]

Well, I have a 25-31 PC+ for the theater room, which I barely ever turn up past 2-3, but I think I'm in for one of these Dayton 10" subs for the living room. They seem to be really well regarded and I just need something to give the bookshelf speakers a little more umpf during TV or when we have some music playing downstairs.

Anyone happen to know how long this sale is on?

 

[Nohr]

Just got my Dayton 12" a hour ago. Sounds great to me, very happy with this deal. Wife and I were blasting some music to see how it sounded. We thought the a/c had kicked on when in fact it was air blowing out the sub's front port.

I don't have much previous experience with subwoofers but it's definately putting my friend's Optimus 10" to shame, FWIW. After hearing the Dayton I'm scared to think what SVS and the like can do. :Q

 

[Excelsior]

Good to hear Nohr.

Now I am just curious about the new 12" Dayton, and how it will sound. I assume at least as good as the one you have, but maybe even better.

 

[Nohr]

Considering their stock situation it looks like we may not find out for another month.

 

[Excelsior]

No doubt, I am keeping an eye out. I may be picking one of the new 12 inchers up, as soon as they get in stock. My 8" 50 watt Sony needs an upgrade.

 

[impX]

Folks, I just got the 12" in the maill yesterday

BUT, here is a compliment to PE: they shipped the item to me whilst I ordered it when it was OOS. Phoned in my order last Saturday to ask if I could order one and have it shipped after the new stock arrived. The CSR was very helpful and said, "You bet!"

Well, much to my surprise, I received an e-mail about three days later that said my subwoofer had been shipped!

So, if you would like to one immediately but are waitiing to see the "In-stock" label, I would advise to do otherwise and order it soon.

 

[YOyoYOhowsDAjello]

Updated w/link to new 12"

 

[bigfil]

i'm still debating on getting either two 12inchers
or just the one 15 incher

the room that the subs would be in has 22' vaulted ceilings and is 40x40'
would any sub be able to fill that room with a good amount of bass?
hehe

another thought i had was i could daisy chain the 15" dayton with my current 15" klipsch

 

[YOyoYOhowsDAjello]

Originally posted by: bigfil
i'm still debating on getting either two 12inchers
or just the one 15 incher

the room that the subs would be in has 22' vaulted ceilings and is 40x40'
would any sub be able to fill that room with a good amount of bass?
hehe

another thought i had was i could daisy chain the 15" dayton with my current 15" klipsch

That room is fvcking huge.

For reference, check out the Ascend system advisor recommendations for room sizes:
http://www.ascendacoustics.com/pages/purchase/advisor.mv#bottom
STF-1: For small rooms < 2000 cu ft. very compact size
STF-2: For medium sized rooms < 3000 cu ft.
VTF-2: Medium sized rooms, enhanced performance
STF-3: Large rooms > 3000 cu ft.
VTF-3: Top of the line, best performance larger rooms

The HSU STF-3 is a good value at $600.

22'x40'x40' is about 35,000 cu ft. Depending on the angle of your vaulted ceilings maybe the room is 30,000 cu ft.?

You are going to need some serious "woofage" for that room.

Just to get an estimate of what caliber you should be looking at, I'd suggest e-mailing the guys at SVS to get an estimate of what they would recommend for a room that size.

They're going to be honest with you for your needs. Take their recommendation seriously. It's probably going to be a lot more than you're planning on spending, but you can get a feel for what would really give you a good amount of bass for a room that huge.

Dual CS-Ultras would probably be on the right track http://www.svsubwoofers.com/subs_csultra.htm

(Maybe more... I really don't have a good feel on what would be appropriate for a room that big)

The SVS guys will give you a good estimate.

Maybe ask for recommendations on AVSforum or Hometheaterforum too for a second/third opinion.

What Klipsch model do you have now and how is it handleing itself?

 

[Tiamat]

Originally posted by: bigfil
i'm still debating on getting either two 12inchers
or just the one 15 incher

the room that the subs would be in has 22' vaulted ceilings and is 40x40'
would any sub be able to fill that room with a good amount of bass?
hehe

another thought i had was i could daisy chain the 15" dayton with my current 15" klipsch

yeah that room is enormous. You will probably need something like two ACI Maestros. Definately you will not get enough bass without spending at least 1800$.

 

[YOyoYOhowsDAjello]

http://cls.audiogon.com/cgi-bin/cls.pl?homesubw&1136774707

 

[bigfil]

Originally posted by: YOyoYOhowsDAjello

Originally posted by: bigfil
i'm still debating on getting either two 12inchers
or just the one 15 incher

the room that the subs would be in has 22' vaulted ceilings and is 40x40'
would any sub be able to fill that room with a good amount of bass?
hehe

another thought i had was i could daisy chain the 15" dayton with my current 15" klipsch

That room is fvcking huge.

For reference, check out the Ascend system advisor recommendations for room sizes:
http://www.ascendacoustics.com/pages/purchase/advisor.mv#bottom
STF-1: For small rooms < 2000 cu ft. very compact size
STF-2: For medium sized rooms < 3000 cu ft.
VTF-2: Medium sized rooms, enhanced performance
STF-3: Large rooms > 3000 cu ft.
VTF-3: Top of the line, best performance larger rooms

The HSU STF-3 is a good value at $600.

22'x40'x40' is about 35,000 cu ft. Depending on the angle of your vaulted ceilings maybe the room is 30,000 cu ft.?

You are going to need some serious "woofage" for that room.

Just to get an estimate of what caliber you should be looking at, I'd suggest e-mailing the guys at SVS to get an estimate of what they would recommend for a room that size.

They're going to be honest with you for your needs. Take their recommendation seriously. It's probably going to be a lot more than you're planning on spending, but you can get a feel for what would really give you a good amount of bass for a room that huge.

Dual CS-Ultras would probably be on the right track http://www.svsubwoofers.com/subs_csultra.htm

(Maybe more... I really don't have a good feel on what would be appropriate for a room that big)

The SVS guys will give you a good estimate.

Maybe ask for recommendations on AVSforum or Hometheaterforum too for a second/third opinion.

What Klipsch model do you have now and how is it handleing itself?

damn the dual cs ultra model looks like it can put a hole in my wall, but at $2,099 it's a bit over my budget
who knows maybe i can talk my wife into getting it for xmas hehe

the klipsch model seems to be doing alright
but again its not putting enough bass out by itself
i figured maybe the additional 15" sub would add enough bass for my needs but who knows

thanks for the recommendations and i will go to those other forums and ask there as well

 

[YOyoYOhowsDAjello]

I'm not sure how a 15" Dayton would fit into the picture here, but here's some numbers for dual CS-Ultras vs some other offerings like
Velodyne HGS-18 msrp $2,995
Klipsch RSW-15 msrp $1,800
Klipsch KSW-15 msrp $750 <-- is that what you have now?

http://www.hometheaterhifi.com/volume_8_4/subwoofers-12-2001.html

 

[bigfil]

Originally posted by: YOyoYOhowsDAjello
I'm not sure how a 15" Dayton would fit into the picture here, but here's some numbers for dual CS-Ultras vs some other offerings like
Velodyne HGS-18 msrp $2,995
Klipsch RSW-15 msrp $1,800
Klipsch KSW-15 msrp $750 <-- is that what you have now?

http://www.hometheaterhifi.com/volume_8_4/subwoofers-12-2001.html

yeah thats exactly what i have right now
it's funny that you linked that
i looked at that velodyne for 2 years debating on whether to buy it
but it was just too much for me

 

[YOyoYOhowsDAjello]

Originally posted by: bigfil

Originally posted by: YOyoYOhowsDAjello
I'm not sure how a 15" Dayton would fit into the picture here, but here's some numbers for dual CS-Ultras vs some other offerings like
Velodyne HGS-18 msrp $2,995
Klipsch RSW-15 msrp $1,800
Klipsch KSW-15 msrp $750 <-- is that what you have now?

http://www.hometheaterhifi.com/volume_8_4/subwoofers-12-2001.html

yeah thats exactly what i have right now
it's funny that you linked that
i looked at that velodyne for 2 years debating on whether to buy it
but it was just too much for me

Well.... if you can, I'd suggest saving up until you can really get the job done right rather than adding patches to the system. Easy to say when it's not my money

If you add several smaller subs to fill the room, you'll get more output in the upper bass range, but until you invest in a really great sub you're always going to be lacking in the low end of things (below 30hz).

I'd still e-mail SVS to see what they have you say. Your room is truely massive.

 

[soccerballtux]

12 inches and only........150 watts????!!!???? Thats pathetic! a 10" needs about 220-240 to be good, 8" needs 180-ish, so 12" would need at least 300. I wouldn't recommend getting this. Spend 80$ more and get a z5500 surround sound system from amazon.

 

[soccerballtux]

For the dude with the huge room....if you position your seating around the perimeter of the room, you'd prolly be fine with a much cheaper system. Once you move into the middle, however; then you'd lose a lot of bass.

Like the other dude said, you could get multiple subs. Not sure how to connect them all, but for 1500$ you could get 6 or so z5500 systems (lol good system) and somehow connect them all together...then you could have 2 walls with 2 system and 2 with 1 system. Those subs are very powerful, even though they're only 187 watts for a 10" driver, they're still great. The whole system is great. You could set up a mini-pc with wireless by each system and have one main system stream all the sound to the others. Anyone know if the wireless latency would be a problem here?

 

[YOyoYOhowsDAjello]

Originally posted by: soccerballtux
12 inches and only........150 watts????!!!???? Thats pathetic! a 10" needs about 220-240 to be good, 8" needs 180-ish, so 12" would need at least 300. I wouldn't recommend getting this. Spend 80$ more and get a z5500 surround sound system from amazon.

There are many things to consider here like efficiency/sensitivity of the driver, cabinet volume etc.

Saying you need a fixed wattage for a certain driver range is making a really big generalization.

Also, I haven't seen any real tests but I imagine the 505watt RMS rating on the z-5500s is not an accurate measurement. (Coming from a former z-560 owner)

 

[YOyoYOhowsDAjello]

Originally posted by: soccerballtux
For the dude with the huge room....if you position your seating around the perimeter of the room, you'd prolly be fine with a much cheaper system. Once you move into the middle, however; then you'd lose a lot of bass.

Like the other dude said, you could get multiple subs. Not sure how to connect them all, but for 1500$ you could get 6 or so z5500 systems (lol good system) and somehow connect them all together...then you could have 2 walls with 2 system and 2 with 1 system. Those subs are very powerful, even though they're only 187 watts for a 10" driver, they're still great. The whole system is great. You could set up a mini-pc with wireless by each system and have one main system stream all the sound to the others. Anyone know if the wireless latency would be a problem here?

Are you serious?

We're talking about more than volume here.

 

[screw3d]

Originally posted by: soccerballtux
For the dude with the huge room....if you position your seating around the perimeter of the room, you'd prolly be fine with a much cheaper system. Once you move into the middle, however; then you'd lose a lot of bass.

Like the other dude said, you could get multiple subs. Not sure how to connect them all, but for 1500$ you could get 6 or so z5500 systems (lol good system) and somehow connect them all together...then you could have 2 walls with 2 system and 2 with 1 system. Those subs are very powerful, even though they're only 187 watts for a 10" driver, they're still great. The whole system is great. You could set up a mini-pc with wireless by each system and have one main system stream all the sound to the others. Anyone know if the wireless latency would be a problem here?

We are even not talking about the same league here..

 

[soccerballtux]

What, you guys think thats a crappy system don't you.

 

[YOyoYOhowsDAjello]

Originally posted by: soccerballtux
What, you guys think thats a crappy system don't you.

Compared to what you could get for the money ($1500) in the way of a real HT system, yes.

Overall a system for HT based off six 5.1 system scattered around a room with no real way to connect them together, yes.

 

[screw3d]

Originally posted by: soccerballtux
What, you guys think thats a crappy system don't you.

No one said that it's crappy. It's a good system in its own right, and also for the price. I still think my Z-560 is awesome, but is absolutely no match for my HT system (Rocket ELT LRSs and RSC100 MKII center, Acoustech H100 sub, Panny XR55 receiver). But of course, it also costs quite a bit more.

Edit: Thanks a lot Jello! :frown: