Day # 71 in the hunt for WMD - What has been found

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: dpm

Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY

Originally posted by: CaptnKirk Who says I'm a peacenik ? What I despise is manipulative lying Administrations that treat their citizens as servants. Nixon did it in the 70's, and Bush is doing it again. This has nothing to do with war other than subject control and some false patriots don't have the common sense to come in out of the sh!t-storm. I did my military time, in combat. I can see through the lies now just as I saw the manipuilation taking place 35 years ago. Its the return of the same liars.

Well, you have spewed many times your idea that those who support this war are blind(false, puppets, and etc) patriots, so I ask you: "if you are against war, what are you?" Oh that's right... you are "anti-this-war"

Sure - whatever - maybe I just didn't hear you when you were yelling, screamin, and ranting about Clinton's use of force against Iraq. Sorry - my bad

CkG

What, so you can either be in favour of war in total or not at all?

And, of course, its just possible that you didn't hear him ranting and raving about clinton's use of force because;
a) it happened before both of you joined these forums,
and
b)that and this war aren't the same thing

They aren't "the same" but they were both attacks on Iraq, no?
What was Clinton's reason for lobbing hundreds of cruise missles at Iraq?

And yes - obviously it took place before we were on the forums- astute observation

But the point still remains...where was the outcry from you people that oppose this war? Oh I forgot

aggression(and/or WAR) is unquestionalby "OK" when a Democrat does it.

CkG

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: CaptnKirk
Clinton didn't try to use the war as an excuse to revenge his daddy, nor
did he falsify data to the world to justify the war.
Clinton's Administration tried to inform Bushes people about Al-Queda and their
dangers to our society - and that was dismissed, and Bush's boys are still trying to cover it up

Before you start your 'Clinton Lied' crap, think it through - the Repubklicans spent 8 years
attacking Clinton on anything thet they could, even fabricated stuff to discredit him.
For what ? So they could seat an idiot by default ?

In the 60's & 70's our country would have destroyed any country that tried to do to our country
what Bush and his cronies have succeded in doing.
Our political direction is a mess & getting worse.

I thought this was was about Oil?...err I mean Bush's daddy....err yeah WMD....errrr Imperialistic Nation Building...(need I continue? ) "Your side" is as hypocritical as you claim "my side" is.

CkG

 

[Lucky]

God, two things the media did which I found really infuriating was keep playing up the chemical weapons suits and "arms caches". Well OF COURSE they are going to have arms caches - they were being invaded after all, and at no point were they banned from having conventional weapons.

You think hoardes of weapons hidden in mosques and elementary schools are not noteworthy?

 

[dpm]

Hell, I'm British, and think both your sides are stupid and hypocritical
I'm not convinced that any of ours are better, but I hold out slightly more hope - take any modern politics course and you will be told that british politics is now more and more "issue based" while American politics is still "identity based". So every argument about american politics seems to boil down to "but your guy was worse!", and, to quote George W, it becomes a case of "you are either with us or you're against us", and not whether you are right or wrong.

As for my stance, well, I'm either a liberal conservative, or a conservative liberal. I've never been entirely sure. And while I think that the world won't miss Saddam's regime, and thought that a war was justified in that regard, I'm very much against politicians deceiving their electorate in a democratic state.

 

[Nitemare]

Have they searched all the mosque's, hospitals and schools yet?

<---would not be surprised if Saddam hid them in the kabbah

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

Originally posted by: Lucky

God, two things the media did which I found really infuriating was keep playing up the chemical weapons suits and "arms caches". Well OF COURSE they are going to have arms caches - they were being invaded after all, and at no point were they banned from having conventional weapons.

You think hoardes of weapons hidden in mosques and elementary schools are not noteworthy?

Missed that one. What chemical and biological weapons were found there?

 

[dnoyeb]

I always sort of half-heartidly believed GWB when he said they had WMD. I felt we would be the ones to know since we supplied them with the WMD. Thats what I felt was in the pages removed from Saddams Weapons Declarations submitted to the UN.

But now, its looking like their are none. Everyone in the world knows Iraq had and has used chemical weapons. no one denies this. So it should be no surprise to find evidence to support that fact. So finding chemical vans is meaningless to me. You need to find something in ACTIVE WORKING CONDITION. Something showing they have enough chemicals to be effective using them with malice.

Otherwise, you have disrespected you country, endangered the lives of all of her citizens, and should be tried for treason.

And Screw Clinton too. I could care less what he did. The wrongs of past presidents can not minimize the wrongs done by current presidents.

Disgusting. And yet people will vote for him again.

I gave Bush discresion in Afganistan since he is my president. You know what they say about giving a man a rope...

 

[rchiu]

Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY

Originally posted by: CaptnKirk
Who says I'm a peacenik ?
What I despise is manipulative lying Administrations that treat their citizens as servants.
Nixon did it in the 70's, and Bush is doing it again.
This has nothing to do with war other than subject control and some false patriots
don't have the common sense to come in out of the sh!t-storm.

I did my military time, in combat. I can see through the lies now just as I
saw the manipuilation taking place 35 years ago. Its the return of the same liars.

Well, you have spewed many times your idea that those who support this war are blind(false, puppets, and etc) patriots, so I ask you: "if you are against war, what are you?" Oh that's right... you are "anti-this-war"

Sure - whatever - maybe I just didn't hear you when you were yelling, screamin, and ranting about Clinton's use of force against Iraq. Sorry - my bad

CkG

Now you are using Clinton to defend Bush's war now? If we didn't say anything about Clinton, we shouldn't say anything about Bush? How desperate are you trying to pull this crap for your own defense? Unless I missed something, there weren't 300,000 soldiers going into Iraq killing thousands of Iraqi troops and civilians during Clinton's administration. There wasn't an International diplomacy mess during Clinton's administration caused by ignoring UN and other country?s opinion.

Yeah, go and roll your eyes all you want and label people whatever. It does not change the fact thet Bush claimed that he KNEW that Iraq has WMD, and with that knowledge, the best thing he can come up with is a couple of trucks without any trace of WMD. It doesn?t changed the fact that he spent close to 100 billion for this war, and risking hundreds of American life, even up to today, for something he falsely claimed existed. It also does not change the fact that argument from people like you are getting weaker and more pathetic by the day.

 

[Zrom999]

Originally posted by: Nitemare
Have they searched all the mosque's, hospitals and schools yet?

<---would not be surprised if Saddam hid them in the kabbah

Thats kabbah is in Saudi Arabia. You think the Saudis would let the Iraqis hide weapons in one of their most holy sites? Of course you would think that... you are a moron.

 

[bjc112]

Originally posted by: Nitemare

Originally posted by: CaptnKirk
I read what the Bushies say - and it proves where their heads are at.

So is it better than Daschle and Clinton's ass?

Oh it def. is... Tell us Cap'n

 

[bjc112]

Originally posted by: CaptnKirk
Clinton didn't try to use the war as an excuse to revenge his daddy, nor
did he falsify data to the world to justify the war.
Clinton's Administration tried to inform Bushes people about Al-Queda and their
dangers to our society - and that was dismissed, and Bush's boys are still trying to cover it up

Before you start your 'Clinton Lied' crap, think it through - the Repubklicans spent 8 years
attacking Clinton on anything thet they could, even fabricated stuff to discredit him.
For what ? So they could seat an idiot by default ?

In the 60's & 70's our country would have destroyed any country that tried to do to our country
what Bush and his cronies have succeded in doing.
Our political direction is a mess & getting worse.

What about the Anthrax that IRAQ admitted to having? Where is that now?

How can you try and get around that? There was no evidence it was destroyed.

 

[Gage8]

Top Ten President Bush Excuses For Not Finding Weapons of Mass Destruction


10. "We've only looked through 99% of the country"

9. "We spent entire budget making those playing cards"

8. "Containers are labeled in some crazy language"

7. "They must have been stolen by some of them evil X-Men mutants"

6. "Did I say Iraq has weapons of mass destruction? I meant they have goats"

5. "How are we supposed to find weapons of mass destruction when we can't even find Cheney?"

4. "Still screwed up because of Daylight Savings Time"

3. "When you're trying to find something, it's always in the last place you look, am I right, people?"

2. "Let's face it -- I ain't exactly a genius"

1. "Geraldo took them"

 

[Gage8]

yey, i just hit 400!

 

[Gaard]

Originally posted by: bjc112

Originally posted by: CaptnKirk
Clinton didn't try to use the war as an excuse to revenge his daddy, nor
did he falsify data to the world to justify the war.
Clinton's Administration tried to inform Bushes people about Al-Queda and their
dangers to our society - and that was dismissed, and Bush's boys are still trying to cover it up

Before you start your 'Clinton Lied' crap, think it through - the Repubklicans spent 8 years
attacking Clinton on anything thet they could, even fabricated stuff to discredit him.
For what ? So they could seat an idiot by default ?

In the 60's & 70's our country would have destroyed any country that tried to do to our country
what Bush and his cronies have succeded in doing.
Our political direction is a mess & getting worse.

What about the Anthrax that IRAQ admitted to having? Where is that now?

How can you try and get around that? There was no evidence it was destroyed.

What did they say regarding the whereabouts of the anthrax that they admitted to having, not the anthrax that we say they could have prodeuced.

Colin Powell's speech on Iraq's weapons declaration
Before the inspectors were forced to leave Iraq, they concluded that Iraq could have produced 26,000 liters of anthrax. That is three times the amount Iraq had declared. Yet, the Iraqi declaration is silent on this stockpile, which, alone, would be enough to kill several million people.

 

[CaptnKirk]

Suprise guys ! I've been a registered Republican since 1964 when you had to be 21 to vote,
so don't Daschle me - the party dosen't even do what it campaigns on anymore.
They campaign to get your vote by bait and switch, then pay off thier corporate masters - at your expense.

Anthrax ? The stuff Reagans Administration sold and helped them procure and refine ?
Maybe you missed the thousands of tons that were destroyed - AND NOT REPORTED
at the end of Gulf-1 by Swartzkopf & his troops, that appears to be the root cause of
well over half of the cases of Gulf War Syndrome, the other half being low grade poisioning
from biological exposure to Depleated Uranium - with soldiers being the biology experiment.

More than anything else - nobody seems to have an attention (or retention) span for information
that lasts longer than about 7 days. This has been hashed over before - REMEMBER ?
Oh, sorry, that's right - the American public has no ability to remember facts.

 

[CADsortaGUY]

Originally posted by: rchiu

Originally posted by: CADkindaGUY

Originally posted by: CaptnKirk
Who says I'm a peacenik ?
What I despise is manipulative lying Administrations that treat their citizens as servants.
Nixon did it in the 70's, and Bush is doing it again.
This has nothing to do with war other than subject control and some false patriots
don't have the common sense to come in out of the sh!t-storm.

I did my military time, in combat. I can see through the lies now just as I
saw the manipuilation taking place 35 years ago. Its the return of the same liars.

Well, you have spewed many times your idea that those who support this war are blind(false, puppets, and etc) patriots, so I ask you: "if you are against war, what are you?" Oh that's right... you are "anti-this-war"

Sure - whatever - maybe I just didn't hear you when you were yelling, screamin, and ranting about Clinton's use of force against Iraq. Sorry - my bad

CkG

Now you are using Clinton to defend Bush's war now? If we didn't say anything about Clinton, we shouldn't say anything about Bush? How desperate are you trying to pull this crap for your own defense? Unless I missed something, there weren't 300,000 soldiers going into Iraq killing thousands of Iraqi troops and civilians during Clinton's administration. There wasn't an International diplomacy mess during Clinton's administration caused by ignoring UN and other country?s opinion.

Yeah, go and roll your eyes all you want and label people whatever. It does not change the fact thet Bush claimed that he KNEW that Iraq has WMD, and with that knowledge, the best thing he can come up with is a couple of trucks without any trace of WMD. It doesn?t changed the fact that he spent close to 100 billion for this war, and risking hundreds of American life, even up to today, for something he falsely claimed existed. It also does not change the fact that argument from people like you are getting weaker and more pathetic by the day.

No, I'm not using Clinton to "defend" Bush - Bush doesn't need me to defend him or Clinton for that matter. My point was to show the hypocracy involved with the peace pussies. Sure there are troops on the ground - but wasn't the peace-pussy's chant "what about the innocent who are killed" - well, what about the innocent that Clinton killed then? Hmmm...Hypocracy.

Me label people? But I'm a blind patriot, fascist republican, etc etc etc It goes both ways.

Bush (G.W) isn't the one who said that Iraq had WMD(11 years ago). The United Nations sure thought they possesed them, did they not? Surely the UN wouldn't have sent inspectors in if they didn't think Iraq had them. And just what about those UN Security council countries....Can any one of them say they never thought that Iraq (Saddam) possed WMD?

The whole point of this is - it wasn't just Bush who thought and said these things - it was the entire world(UN) - Heck even Saddam at one point admitted he had them. So how has Bush pulled the wool over our eyes

when he was agreeing with the entire world (UN)? You guys just keep blaming Bush for all our problems if it makes you feel better.

CkG

 

[Zebo]

Well look on the BRIGHT side Catn', your son in country won't have to breath in WMD's when they don't destroy them this time because there is'nt any

 

[CaptnKirk]

But he does get to hang off the Hummer with his machine gun.
Told him I wanted an AK-47, as I didn't bring one back from 'Nam.

Oh yeah, Wolfowitz changes - again

 

[Zebo]

Gotta Love this one:

"The truth is that for reasons that have a lot to do with the U.S. government bureaucracy, we settled on the one issue that everyone could agree on which was weapons of mass destruction as the core reason," Wolfowitz was quoted as saying in a Pentagon transcript of the interview.

Translation: We Brainstormed, We floated a lot of ideas the table how we could con the american people into supporting a war none really liked or understood. Scaring them has always worked. See my sig if you have any doubt.

 

[BarneyFife]

Originally posted by: CaptnKirk
The search goes on

And on

And some people say that Clinton lied - Not as much as these creeps are doing now.

The bush inner circle people Wolfie & all should be in prison !

This is the most corrupt president I've seen. How this guy goes to sleep every night while the sons and daughters of Americans are dying on a near daily basis in some far off country is astounding. If heaven and hell do exisit, Bush is going to Hell. What a POS scum.

 

[Zebo]

You know captn' I supported this war in the beginning for the hummanitarian reasons plus a few others, but now it's looking like the execution is disater and motives very suspect to what we've been told.

-We secured the oil fields quickly and will ram up to full production within 13 days much of the work and sales go directly to benefit those who contributed to the Bush Campaign (smells aweful). Meanwhile much of Bagdad and Iraq as a whole we are failing. No Power, ethnic cleansing in the north, Food, water, museums etcetcetce. This is just icing on the cake for me proving the admisistration has little will in fullfilling his promisis and acting rightous. How's Afghaistan doing? Article I read in the WSJ yesterday says terrible, no promisis of money being met and only a matter of time before taliban takes over again.

- So many unsubstantaited lies from WMD's to Saddam Terror links. They float ballons up daily and are now starting with Iran. For what? I don't feel any safer. In fact N Korea willing to sell to the highest bidder and all the ememies we are making around the globe are starting to scare me. Not Physically but with what happens when a nuke goes off in on of our major cities? I imagine a police not unlike nazi germany.

 

[sandorski]

Originally posted by: CaptnKirk
But he does get to hang off the Hummer with his machine gun.
Told him I wanted an AK-47, as I didn't bring one back from 'Nam.

Oh yeah, Wolfowitz changes - again

He wasn't trying to get you one of those sweet gold plated ones was he?

 

[CaptnKirk]

I think the gold ones were the re-designed AK-74 with the metal frame & stock.
The deer don't like 'em - too shiney, and the gold is fake anyway 14 K plating -
won't even stand up to a good old fashion bayonet practice.

 

[sandorski]

Originally posted by: CaptnKirk
I think the gold ones were the re-designed AK-74 with the metal frame & stock.
The deer don't like 'em - too shiney, and the gold is fake anyway 14 K plating -
won't even stand up to a good old fashion bayonet practice.

So, you wouldn't accept one?

 

[Lucky]

Originally posted by: Hayabusarider

Originally posted by: Lucky

God, two things the media did which I found really infuriating was keep playing up the chemical weapons suits and "arms caches". Well OF COURSE they are going to have arms caches - they were being invaded after all, and at no point were they banned from having conventional weapons.

You think hoardes of weapons hidden in mosques and elementary schools are not noteworthy?

Missed that one. What chemical and biological weapons were found there?

Missed that one. Where did I say they were?