He's finally understood where he went wrong on the math, so I'll assume he can explain it better to one of his peers than I.
So it had nothing to do with the 8.3 million people that did not come out and support Clinton that did for Obama? It was the same 60+/- million raciest that have voted in the last 3 elections that won it for him. Exactly how large are those blinder you have on.
He was correct in his logic but incorrect in the magnitude of the difference. You didn't understand what he was saying and assumed wrongly. Instead of clarifying, you called him an idiot.
I think it's pretty safe to say someone who has that much trouble figuring out which 2 numbers to subtract out of 4 is an idiot.
Also pretty safe to say someone that idiotic is just parroting their "logic" from a source for dummies.
So pretty fucking big! I get it you are mad and sad and confused. Perhaps you should take some personal time and reflect. Attacking me because you lost is not the answer, I didn't vote for trump.
zinfamous
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agent: you clearly have nothing to counter SNCs argument about voters and the massive difference in turnout, so you prattle on about inherently meaningless differences in the first number he reported. 10 million vs 8 milllion. guess what? If it were only 6 million, 5 million, hell--even 3 million less voters, his logic is still sound.
All I have seen from you over the last week is outright dismissal of this very logical argument because you so strongly want to believe that "racism!" is the real answer.
You need to provide actual numbers that show how these Clinton>Gore>Kerry>Obama>Trump voters suddenly went racist before you try to argue that the very significant difference in 8 million votes is inherently meaningless.
Crap man, you're starting to go SVNLA on this thread with this massive strawman you are constructing about "bad math!" (I mean, even the bad math > right math presents the same argument).
All I have seen from you over the last week is outright dismissal of this very logical argument because you so strongly want to believe that "racism!" is the real answer.
You need to provide actual numbers that show how these Clinton>Gore>Kerry>Obama>Trump voters suddenly went racist before you try to argue that the very significant difference in 8 million votes is inherently meaningless.
Crap man, you're starting to go SVNLA on this thread with this massive strawman you are constructing about "bad math!" (I mean, even the bad math > right math presents the same argument).
He subtracted the correct numbers but he rounded them a little more than you would like.
As zinfamous says, I think you are just desperate to blame racism.
And NYT reported it, so the media.
Yes hardly any in comparison. Showing only one side of the problem is bias, which was the point of my post. Also, according the the FBI, attacks on muslims have been on the rise for the past two years.
No talk about anti jew incidents even though they're on the rise too? Hmm. http://www.cnn.com/2016/11/14/us/fbi-hate-crime-report-muslims/index.html
Bias in the media is bad for everyone. Most have a bias and show it. In one of CNN's latest articles called "Make America White Again: Hate speech and crimes post election" the title alone is obviously geared towards bashing Trump and not Hillary. Then the article alleges 10 incidents to 2 showing Trump in a bad light compared to Hillary. The two at the bottom of the article. It is clearly bias and they try to save face by putting the two at the bottom. There are far more, but they show mostly just one side. http://www.cnn.com/2016/11/10/us/post-election-hate-crimes-and-fears-trnd/
Its laughable that some people only talk about Trump using racism for campaigning. When Democrats have been doing this forever. Why no mention that Obama received 93% of black votes, and Trump received FAR lower and almost identical to what Romney did. Oh, must be the racist whites who voted for Trump
Fact, there are people who support Hillary and Trump who are acting like asses. Threatening, assaulting, etc people from the other side. To continue to use race and bigotry further divides the country. Especially when its reported more often against one side than the other. The continued narrative is old. So is making it out to seem racism is only from whites against blacks. Protesting is perfectly fine, and I applaud those who do legally. It is one of the things that makes America so good. However, when they develop into riots and people are being assaulted, killed, property damaged that is not a protest. I believe these are small instances and not the overall whole of the protesters. Sadly what they do overshadows the good protesters. By Hillary and Obama not denouncing them immediately it fans the flames. When Hillary says 'continue to fight" it fans the flames. If Trump had said that instead of "Stop it", all hell would break lose.Let's iterate what happened in this situation. First you read some source for dumbshit where you got this "logic". Then you tried to quantify this number and failed spectacularly. This goes on for quite a while as you try to figure out the arithmetic without much luck. And now the way that subtraction works has finally been successful explained to you, it looks like you're rather too proud about it, certainly more so than a kid with a gold star.
Recalled I summarized this in brief in my first reply to you and you kept trying to deny it. What can possibly be gained from a conversation with someone that inane I'll leave to zinfamous.
You're really going to need that lesson on how this subtraction word problem works.
I'm pretty sure I addressed that previously. I won't bother to search for it, so in brief: clinton's lack of charisma loses out in a popularity contest, she still won the vote but not in the right places, the right places have a certain demographic, that demo corresponds exactly to his white solidarity platform and +14% unedu white gain. Pretty sure nobody contended any of this before, incl you, because they're aware of the truth of this. If you want precise numbers, I think SNC might just be your man; good luck.
No he was right, I worded the "math problem" wrong, but the premise was still sound. I was comparing the difference in votes between Obama and McCain and using that number to point out the huge gap in democrat votes in this election. He assumed I was comparing this election directly with that. An honest mistake, but one he went all mentally challenged on and created a scenario to vent his anger on someone he thought was a Trump supporter. I still stand by my assertion that that style of discourse is what cost Clinton the white house. People are tired of being blamed for things they did not do or have part in. Calling someone an idiot just because you don't agree with them and refusing to back-down and even doubling down on the insults when the confusion is cleared up does not enamor one to you. If I didn't know any better I would have pegged him as a republican, as quick as he was to find fault.
Seriously? They openly hate Trump as much as Hillary. Their candidate scored a record turnout this election.
jackstar7
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And NYT reported it, so the media.
Yes hardly any in comparison. Showing only one side of the problem is bias, which was the point of my post. Also, according the the FBI, attacks on muslims have been on the rise for the past two years. (1)
No talk about anti jew incidents even though they're on the rise too? Hmm. http://www.cnn.com/2016/11/14/us/fbi-hate-crime-report-muslims/index.html (2)
Bias in the media is bad for everyone. Most have a bias and show it. In one of CNN's latest articles called "Make America White Again: Hate speech and crimes post election" the title alone is obviously geared towards bashing Trump and not Hillary. Then the article alleges 10 incidents to 2 showing Trump in a bad light compared to Hillary. The two at the bottom of the article. It is clearly bias and they try to save face by putting the two at the bottom. There are far more, but they show mostly just one side. http://www.cnn.com/2016/11/10/us/post-election-hate-crimes-and-fears-trnd/ (3)
Its laughable that some people only talk about Trump using racism for campaigning. When Democrats have been doing this forever. Why no mention that Obama received 93% of black votes, and Trump received FAR lower and almost identical to what Romney did. Oh, must be the racist whites who voted for Trump
1. So it's a problem that has been growing and we're seeing it even more prominently post-election.
2. You should consider using anti-Semitic. Using the J-word that way is not really responsible.
3. There are far more... based on what? That would have been a great time to cite a source other than your own ass.
4. I've addressed this before, but apparently need to do so again. There is a component of racism and the actions spurred by it that also ties to power. White people hold greater collective power in US culture. There are white people across all strata of classes (and many certainly feel powerless), as there are people of other ethnicities across all those strata as well (some of whom enjoy a great level of power), but on the whole white people hold more power. So racism from those with power that takes action against those who have less power is worse when the implications culturally are taken into account. The crimes might be the same, but the ramifications are different. If you wish to turn a blind eye to those ramifications, then your thoughts are devalued because you're actively ignoring part of reality to favor your bias.
5. Just a strawman. Do better.
6. What they do validates the bias you already have against the larger group. You want excuses to avoid empathy and they are your escape hatch so you don't have to consider the idea that maybe you have more in common with those you've labeled as outside your in-group (aka "us") and you can use those acts to confirm your existing bias against the out-group (aka "them").
Time for some self reflection if you believe american "libertarians" hate people like Trump like they do Clinton. Just check out the comments section of any article.
Now you're just being a dick. Had your conversational skills and comprehension been as astute as you feel your quips are you might not have gotten so far involved, and could have backed out gracefully. Now you're stuck in the hole you dug throwing insults around to prop yourself up.
I even brought a ladder over and offered you a hand out. Ponder indeed.
Says the kid with more posts in 5 months here then most have in 5 years. I get it now you're a closet Trump supporter, a plant most likely.
You are here to stir shit up, its the only possible reason for your inability to see a simple communication issue and turn it into a platform for bashing someone. So what is the pay like, are there benefits like healthcare and a 401k?
Let's put this situation in perception. A dumb person told they messed up a grade school math problem would identify the error. A very dumb person might need a couple reminders. An astonishing dumb person would need the problem explained to them in some detail. The levels after that would involve righteous indignation, then petulant mouthiness, and then apparently you.
Some more of that love from the left. How you've made it into now your late teens without being killed with that attitude is a real shock. I think it shows that the right is tremendously more tolerant than people give them credit for. But back on topic: I thought the election of Trump was going to bring out the hate and anger of the alt-right (whatever the fuck that is), not those on the (purported) left. So I haven't decided if you're a plant or a challenged liberal with no other avenue for venting anger, so you might be the wrong one to ask, but how has Trump winning the election "influenced" you?
1. The article you dropped doesn't say anything about attacks or incidents on muslims after the election rising, just that they have been rising over the years, as I stated. Unless I missed it. Attacks also rose for other groups. In fact, the hyperlink in the article you used shows an anti-Trump incident on top, and then goes on to claim "While all sides of the political spectrum have reported problems". So tell me how much percent higher is it since the election? How much higher are incidents or attacks on Trump supporters if any?
2. No. I did not say jew in a derogatory way, not even close. Its short for jewish. Not going to bend to your PC way. People like you try to insert race into everything, make everything an insult. Pretty hypocritical of you considering you use the term "retard" is a derogatory way lately. Making fun of a mental handicap is taking the high road.
3. A casual browse of news will show far more than two incidents than 2 CNN reported. If you're actually trying to refute that there are far more than 2 anti Trump incidents or attacks then you're far more dense than I thought. The point was their bias in "reporting". While looking you'll more than likely come across some of the alleged Trump supporters incidents that are proven false. Hint: both sides have people doing reprehensible things. It all needs to stop.
4. When did I turn a blind eye? I have not. I simply stated (and its a fact) that most of the time racism is portrayed as only white to black or any other ethnicity. When in fact there is a big problem of it going black to white, other ethnicities to white, or even the same against each other, say black to black racism which is actually a pretty large problem from what I have seen. I would say I have a better understanding about it than most. There are more whites, so yes there will be more white racism acts by sheer numbers. Announcing that racism isn't only one way is not turning a blind eye. I would say your willingness to not even acknowledge it is turning a blind eye. I understand how the power structure works, and yes there are more white people in power. Explain what my bias is?
5. Not even close, don't counter just try that. Everything I said was accurate and true.
6. Again, explain my bias about the larger group? Again what I said was true, Hillary and Obama should have made a public statement asking for the stoppage of the riots. Not the protests, the riots that got people hurt and property destroyed. They did not. And as I said, if it was the other way around and they asked for the stoppage and Trump ignored it, he would have caught hell for it. Its not an us v them thing. I didn't vote for Trump.
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