It looks like I'm getting a 7nm iPhone this year...popcorn time!
TSMC Kicks Off Volume Production of 7nm Chips
For the past 2 years, Apple has been releasing iPad ( Pro ) in WWDC. And the SoC were using the latest node, to ensure everything works smoothly before bumping out iPhone SoC in volume.To be fair, WWDC is not really the Apple event where very new hardware is released. But yeah, Apple has a pretty good idea of the hardware they are able to deliver in September by the time of WWDC. We will just not get to know by then.
MacRumors has some experience in following Apple and made a prediction on the sort of things they will release at WWDC: https://www.macrumors.com/roundup/wwdc/
btw, a nice overview of the different actual sizes of the different company's lithography processes ought to be nice in the discussion.
Seems that they are using EUV... is the real deal... they might win this fight.... and Intel and Samsung will be on problems.
We are talking about 2019...all three will be using EUV in that time frame, it is intel which will be having problems.Samsung is using EUV as well. Rather GlobalFoundries is on the backfoot
Going to be more than that now. Broadwell-Y shipped in Q3 14.https://semiaccurate.com/forums/showthread.php?9119-Intel-finally-admits-10nm-failure&p=300659#post300659
"higher volume" in 2019? Those are not firm terms. I know Ryzen and Ryzen+ provided some spark but we're going to be stuck on 14nm for almost 4 years =/
- Intel CEO Brian Krzanich dismissed investor concerns that functionality issues were causing 10-nanometer production delays.
- He said one of the 10-nanometer chips were already shipping, and would be expected to ship to data centers this year.
- Krzanich said 10-nanometer chips would not ship at-volume until 2019.
Even earlier. New iPad Pros with A11X on 7nm in WWDC June, most likely.No wonder why Apple is switching away from Intel on Mac. Or at least the rumours said.
So Francois Piednoel is wrong, again.
We will have to wait TSMC to actually deliver 7nm, assuming iPhone new SoC will be on 7nm.
Then we can officially confirm, Intel's manufacturing lead is finally over.
If we see the magical 8 core Coffee Lake chip, will it likely rule the desktop roost?Depends on GloFo 7nm timing and quality. Current 14nm is holding the door with a sizeable advantage in maturity, 10nm won't have this luxury.
Yes and I have said it in my earlier reply. I am just assuming iPad Pro doesn't count as "volume" shipment. iPhone surely does.Even earlier. New iPad Pros with A11X on 7nm in WWDC June, most likely.
Apple did sell 13M iPads in 4Q. Can't say how many of those are iPad Pro versus the cheaper models though. It'd have to be at HVM to produce an iPad Pro.Yes and I have said it in my earlier reply. I am just assuming iPad Pro doesn't count as "volume" shipment. iPhone surely does.
Matisse is built to yield. They could sell chips where a good portion of the die is defective and be okay with it.Depends on GloFo 7nm timing and quality. Current 14nm is holding the door with a sizeable advantage in maturity, 10nm won't have this luxury.
Dunno about 2017, but in 2016, the iPad Pro was less than 1/3rd of all iPad sales.Apple did sell 13M iPads in 4Q. Can't say how many of those are iPad Pro versus the cheaper models though. It'd have to be at HVM to produce an iPad Pro.
Hardly.. EUV cuts that advantage Intel has....If we see the magical 8 core Coffee Lake chip, will it likely rule the desktop roost?
Intel's 10nm may be more mature than we would think, if they have gone right to 10nm+?
Is Intel's 10nm still more like everyone else's 7nm?
On the iPads I can see what you said.Yes and I have said it in my earlier reply. I am just assuming iPad Pro doesn't count as "volume" shipment. iPhone surely does.
I am not expecting any IPC improvement from Apple. Even if they just bump up the core count and some Mhz will be good enough for me*. But if they do, holy cow we are in a year where Intel's dominance fail in both IPC and Manufacturing.
*I am guessing it will be same core, but 4+4 Core and Double the Graphics Core, assuming everything else stay the same, its die size should be noticeably smaller in 7nm. 10nm to 7nm provide ~40% area reduction. The final die size of A12 may likely be in the range of 6x mm. Much smaller then the 84mm. To absorb some of the cost in 7nm production.
What i posted in the other thread about Molybdenum-Disulfide , is also Stanford and MIT collaboration.Meanwhile, Intel's decision may boost the prospects of MIT spin-off AmberWave Technology (Nashua, N.H.). The 40-person company has developed a form of strained silicon that it has licensed to Advanced Micro Devices and to new AMD technology and foundry partner UMC Corp., among others.
Until last week, Intel had remained quiet about strained silicon, breathing not a word of interest at the various academic conferences, where the technology has become a mainstream research topic. As recently as June, at the 2002 Symposium on VLSI Technology in Honolulu, Intel managers adopted a skeptical pose, questioning whether strained silicon as IBM and others had described it would be worth the additional costs (see June 17, page 1).
But behind that curtain of public disdain, Intel was moving strained silicon technology into test manufacturing. In March it announced that test SRAM chips were being made at 90-nm design rules at its development fab in Hillsboro, Ore. What it failed to mention was that strained silicon was part of the process flow.
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