Daves (3dfx) comments about V5 VS GTS

[Mr.IncrediblyBored]

<< Matrox and ATI are justifiable solutions but the former 2 really bug me whenever I hear that they &quot;need&quot; a 3D accelerator to do their job. >>


What's so special about Matrox or ATi that makes them great for office work? 3dfx has great 2D, compatibility, stability, and driver support.

 

[Hardware]

Well I need a cheap card with good 2d G450 and V3000 are the cheapest out there!

 

[superbaby]

<< What's so special about Matrox or ATi that makes them great for office work? 3dfx has great 2D, compatibility, stability, and driver support. >>



I know it does but how do you justify the 3D part?

An OEM ATI Rage Pro can do higher resolutions at a higher color depth than a 3dfx V3000, and at nearly half the price. Maybe even cheaper. When it all boils down 3dfx or Nvidia isn't a brand you should see in an office computer.

 

[Hardware]

I work always with 1600x1200x32x85 do I need at least a 300 ramdac

 

[oldfart]

Hardware, you suck!

 

[Rigoletto]

V3 does 32 bit colour, but it is converted to 16 bit colour in 3D.

 

[Hardware]

oldfart do you mind if I call you an idiot?

 

[ragiepew]

<< I could never understand why people bought 3dfx/Nvidia cards to use &quot;at work&quot;. >>


aww cmon' you know why... its so they can fire up that lunchtime game of q3a... err i mean solitare!

 

[NFS4]

<< V3 does 32 bit colour, but it is converted to 16 bit colour in 3D. >>


I thought it was a special 22-bit filter?

 

[DaveB3D]

All cards render internally at 32-bit and then for 16-bit they dither down. The post filter then kicks in and fixes things up.

 

[OneOfTheseDays]

I'm really sick of people sayin t&amp;l is a fat waste. No game company has really implemented it well so far and that is why it is a waste, not because it doesn't work. With all this t&amp;l bashing, we forget about the Voodoo's fabulous t-buffer. Now the Tbuffer effects like motion blur, etc. are a fat waste. NO company uses them or ever will because they are a waste of time. The only use of the tbuffer is for FSAA. In short, the t&amp;l at least has some potential if used correctly, the tbuffer is just a useless feature.

 

[SoloJoe]

1) Dave is a 3dfx puppet. He says what they TELL him to say.

2) Despite his use of fancy words sometimes, he has little knowledge of how things really work with video cards. This has been proven sooooooooo many times it's getting to be rather pitiful. He only cuts &amp; pastes from the 3dfx propaganda files.

3) He is the equivalent of a used car salesman. He will say ANYTHING to get you to buy his product.

4) He works for 3dfx so what do you expect to say? Of course he is going to try and say good stuff about their products. He is not ALLOWED to say anything else.

5) He is 19 years old in case any of you didn't know. So when he claims the &quot;I have been doing this stuff forever&quot; crap, keep that in mind.

6) He hates Nvidia so badly that he will say ANYTHING to try and damage them. He has been SMACKED DOWN hard by many people here and that is why he is so angry. He says things - then his silly statements get smacked down and proven wrong - then he just starts making stuff up and trolling. Nvidia owns 3dfx on so many different levels it just destroys him and he can't stand it. TOO BAD!!!!!!

7) The 3DFX ship is sinking fast, and most people have already abandoned ship. He is trying to make a last ditch effort to save the dying company by spreading hype and FALSE hope. TOO LATE!!!!!

8) An example of false hope. Remember 3DFX saying &quot;The 6000 WILL be released, and we are NOT cancelling it&quot;.

Enough said. I rest my case.

 

[NFS4]

<< 5) He is 19 years old in case any of you didn't know. So when he claims the &quot;I have been doing this stuff forever&quot; crap, keep that in mind. >>


Anand is 18 and have more trust and faith in him...

 

[SoloJoe]

Exactly. Anand is only 18, but he is about 20 years ahead of Dave on EVERY level.

 

[hans007]

hey i'm 19 too. hopefully age isn't the discriminating factor, since i've been doing this since i've been computing since before i could write sentences.

 

[SoloJoe]

No Hans, that's not what I meant. I'm younger than you by the way. I was just saying that when he claims to be working in the industry for such a long time, you have to keep in perspetive what a long time really means at our age.

 

[DaveB3D]

hehe.. looks like I really burned on some NVIDIA fan.. pretty funny stuff there....


So I don't know what I'm talking about huh? Hrmm.. Well I think everyone knows that when it comes to the technology, I do. We may disagree on points, but the technology itself is cut and dry.

Ok... Shall we start a discussion on the workings of a graphics card and see who lasts longer? Perhaps I should throw some sampling theory questions at you, or maybe we should get you to do some math for vertex transformations.. or maybe a basic question like how many caculation it takes to transform between the different spaces? How about that.. Hrmm.. I don't think you can do that, so I won't bother you anymore. For a bit of advice though: It isn't a good idea to attack people when you are going to lose at the draw, so you probably shouldn't do it.

sigh.. some people are really pathetic.


Edit: For reference, I've made it clear MANY times that I've worked here for 2 months. However, I worked as a reviewer for almost 3 years priar to that.

 

[Wingznut]

Ok... let's just SAY that Dave is biased. Who cares? There aren't more than a couple people on this board who aren't biased. He likes 3dfx better. So do I. I also prefer Intel. Whoop-de-doo! I prefer Coke over Pepsi. I prefer Wendy's over McDonald's. So, I'm biased.

Hardware is so anti-3dfx biased, that it's not even funny.... Well, actually it is.

So, since Hardware is so biased, yet he's bashing someone else for being biased... Yet another reason he is called a hypocrite.

Hardware has yet to explain his 3dfx hatred. Maybe someone who now works at 3dfx used to beat him up and steal his lunch money... Last month.

 

[AngelOfDeath]

I must say that DaveB3D sounds biased, but who can blame him. He works for 3Dfx, and I must admit that if I worked for a company I really liked then I wouldn't say bad things about it, that in some way could damage it reputation, or at least I would moderate my comments.

Again he might be biased, but still he seems to know to some extent what he is talking about, so give the man some credit. And never try to kick the wolf away from its own teritory.

This war between 3Dfx and Nvidia is worthless...Why?. Because most of us would buy whatever product out there giving us the most performance/$. Some stick to one brand b/c of loyalty, but in the end those are the ones who gets cheated.

I'll know for sure that I would buy whatever card gives me the best performance wheater it'll be a 3Dfx or the Nvidia...Wouldn't it be stupid if didn't do the same?.

AoD

 

[Compellor]

<< SANTA CLARA, CA - DECEMBER 5, 2000 - NVIDIA® Corporation (Nasdaq: NVDA) today announced that in PC Magazine's December 5th article entitled &quot;High-End PCs&quot;, all of the 14 PCs reviewed featured NVIDIA-based graphics cards, including the Micron Millennia MAX XP, winner of PC Magazine Editors' Choice. Solutions based on the NVIDIA GeForce2 family were cited as the standard for high-end PCs due to outstanding performance in Ziff-Davis' 3D WinBench 2000.

&quot;The top desktops on 3D WinBench were those using the NVIDIA GeForce2 Ultra graphics chip set,&quot; said Joel Santo Domingo project leader for PCs &amp; Devices, PC Magazine Labs. &quot;Although it was not required, all had graphics powered by NVIDIA.&quot;

&quot;Recognition from our OEMs &amp; PC Magazine is affirmation of NVIDIA's position as the worldwide leader in 3D graphics technology,&quot; stated Dan Vivoli, senior vice president of marketing at NVIDIA. &quot;We continue to drive the market &amp; set the standard for performance excellence.&quot; >>



It doesn't matter what DaveB3D thinks, says, who he works for, if he's biased, likes peanut butter and jelly sandwiches (who the #$*&amp; cares!?)...current and even upcoming 3Dfx technology is on the way out. 3Dfx lost it with the Voodoo 3. Since then, they've been sliding further and further down that deep dark hole known as &quot;oblivion.&quot; Chances are, he'll be out of a job pretty soon -- unless nVidia buys them out (he he).

Hardware: Let the guy spew his propaganda. Who in their right mind is going to believe someone as biased as him?

 

[Aboroth]

It is funny to see people ignore everything Dave says because they think he is &quot;biased&quot;. I doubt any of you voicing your opinions here aren't biased somehow.
You can't change the facts by ignoring them.

 

[Compellor]

I can't be biased because I have used products from ATI, S3, Matrox, nVidia, and 3Dfx. All have made good and bad products. It's just a known fact that 3Dfx's glory days are over. The Voodoo 5 is an &quot;OK&quot; card, but comes nowhere near the 3D performance levels of a GeForce 2 GTS -- and definitely not an Ultra. But, for someone to spout out trash about nVidia is simply a propagandist. If you like 3Dfx, great. Enjoy it while it lasts.

 

[RobsTV]

SoloJoe, Compellor and Czar, have spoken for many of us.
Enough of the 3dfx company supplied propaganda machine Dave!

DaveB3D is not your typical biased person.
He is a 3dfx company endorsed and planted person, here to spread what 3dfx wants him to say. 3dfx anounced last year that they were going to have many of there employees become regulars on many Forums and boards. This was labled as enhanced tech support, but in reality it was just more Public Relations employess than tech. Most don't have a clue beyond what 3dfx tells them to say. At the very least he should have a disclaimer in his sig that states who he really is. And before flamers start calling me a nVidiot, I have had 3dfx cards for years, and have owned a v3 3k for the past 19 months (duh, that's why I am pissed at 3dfx, because I bought into their false hype and lies).

 

[RoboTECH]

RobsTV, please explain what &quot;false hype and lies&quot; 3dfx spread about the V3-3000?

 

[Sunner]

I'd be very interested in knowing that as well.
I've used a V3-3K and just recently I ordered a 2K PCI for my comp at work, they are excellent cards for the price, and when they were new, they were top performers as well.

They did lack some features as well as a good OpenGL ICD, which is why I got a TNT2-Ultra to replace the 3K, but in reality, neither of those things was any biggie.

3dfx has certainly gone downhill though, and I sorta doubt they'll ever catch up to nVidia at this point, while 3dfx have shrunk to hardly being a player at all, nVidia has become a veritable behemoth in the GFX industry, and they're now looking for other indutries as well.