Daves (3dfx) comments about V5 VS GTS

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Hardware

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GTS is faster than the Voodoo5. MX is faster than V4?
NO!

GTS has a longer life span than the V5?
NO!

T&L makes the GTS better?
NO!

V5 image is blurry and/or V5?s FSAA makes it blurry?
NO!

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3dfx stock is 2 1/2?
NO!

Is 3dfx delaying the conference call because of bad news?
NO!

Is there any reson to be worried about 3dfx?
NO!

Can you say another word?
NO!

Thanks Dave for your sight of the world!

Read the complete stuff
 
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Hardware

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Heya Hans they are Dave comments not mine!

DAVE:


<< We already addressed the GF's T&amp;L. It does nothing. It is a WASTE! It doesn't qualify as a feature >>



WOW!
 
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Sunner

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Hans, give him some credit will ya, at least he provided a link, he's headed in the right direction :D
 
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ndee

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*sleeping* Chhhhhhhhhrrrrrrrrrrr, hm? ha? Yeah, wake me up when Hardware is banned *sleep*
 
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snow patrol

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Would it be possible for you to come up with some rational arguements, or do you really feel that saying 'NO' under every point Dave made is sufficient?
 
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MattStone

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God, Hardware is still alive and bi+ching about 3dfx...haven't heard anything like this since all of the Voodoo 5 sucks posts late May.
 
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Hardware

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As a BBS-Admin he is doing the worst you can think about!
attacking everybody with anti Nvidia stuff und delete criticts about him and his biased world!

I do not know what he is doing at 3dfx but he lost all credit for me and many other!
 
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Sunner

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Somehow I get the feeling he wont exactly become extremely sad about losing credit in your eyes.
 
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bluemax

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&quot;Mommy, Mommy! Hardware is buried in the sand up to his ankles!&quot;
&quot;What's wrong with that??&quot;
&quot;The Ananders stuck him in head first!!&quot;

:D
 
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Czar

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Sorry to brake my &quot;free Windog&quot; silince but I must say this.

Dave, you are a complete bullshitier, even on 3dfxgamers board the 3dfx fans are bashing him for these statements, looke here



<< &quot;The T&amp;L on the GF boards sucks.&quot;
Is that just because 3dfx lacks it, so they feel the need to assault anyone that does have it? >>




<< &quot;Also, being that the V5 does have those massive peaks, it gives the V5 a more stable frame-rate. Another plus.&quot;
Lemme see if I follow... they have similar lows in 32 bit, but the GTS peaks higher... and usually maintains a higher framerate, but somehow that's to the V5's advantage?
Re: the features of the GTS vs the features of the V5... again, the GTS will last longer than the V5, simply because the V5 is already outdated. >>




<< lol
this is the funnies thread I have read i na long time
Do you work in the propaganda department dave? ;) hehehehe
I think Rhink hit the nail pretty good. >>




<< TnL bad? yeah right :) hehe. The TnL on GF2 cards are faster than even the fastest cpu today. There is a reason why most games that ship these days use it. Unfortunately they have to make the games work on other cards like Voodoo's also, so we don't see the full potensial all the time. >>



damn.. have to work
 
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DaveB3D

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oh czar, you are soooo wrong... soo, soo, wrong. I already address everything you copied and pasted.. I won't bother..

as for Hardware.. kid, you do know how to make me laugh.
 
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Czar

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dave, I didnt have time to read anything more than the first page. Its just funny to see a 3dfx employe have to defend his propaganda on 3dfxgamers.com.

I´v used a GeForce in 3DSmax and it just simply blows away any software T&amp;L for the next 3-4 years will be able to do.

This is the goal for T&amp;L, I can see a year old card now beat any current CPU can do in 3dsmax. I know that this is not like games but this shows what T&amp;L realy can do for us gamers, just now we need games to support this.

Ever since 3dfx said that software T&amp;L was faster than hardware T&amp;L I´v had a hard time beliving anything they say is faster than something else.
 
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actually, the geforce t&amp;l unit is great for 3DSMax and AutoCAD and other things of that nature. but hardly anyone bought it for that purpose. fact of the matter is that geforce t&amp;l isn't up to dx8 spec, cuz its not programmable. so it will have to load things off into software anyway. this isn't really bad for games, but it isn't really great either. since both the v5 and gf have to offload onto the cpu and both have pretty much the same fill-rate due to memory bandwidth, neither are future proof.

<<GTS is faster than the Voodoo5. MX is faster than V4?
NO!>>

get the new drivers. actually use the settings in them. then we'll talk.

<<GTS has a longer life span than the V5?
NO!>>

see above

<<T&amp;L makes the GTS better?
NO!>>

not in games right now, not in games next year since that t&amp;l unit won't be compatible with them and will have to offload to the cpu.

<<V5 image is blurry and/or V5?s FSAA makes it blurry?
NO!>>

use the LOD slider. and ben's comment about FSAA was that all supersampling blurs a bit. which can still be pretty much fixed by the LOD slider.
 
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Czar

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What anoyes me is that 3dfx refuses to bring us new technology like T&amp;L that will be used, sure they brought use the T-Buffer, but not a single game uses it.

Its just that they think software developers know what hardware they might be using after 2 years. Hardware companies are supposed to bring them fetures that will be used after 2 years.
 
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