Dave Matthews is off the pipe!

[pulse8]

I can stand them. But 95% of their lyrics come off as fairly incoherent whining.

Exactly my point. People make stupid comments like that. Have you heard 100% of their songs in order to make that judgement?

I doubt it. You know why? Because you don't like the music!! If you don't like the music, why would you listen to it? So, since you don't like the music and haven't really listened to it, no one who is in the same boat can really comment on their musical talent.

 

[CKDragon]

Originally posted by: pulse8

I can stand them. But 95% of their lyrics come off as fairly incoherent whining.

Exactly my point. People make stupid comments like that. Have you heard 100% of their songs in order to make that judgement?

I doubt it. You know why? Because you don't like the music!! If you don't like the music, why would you listen to it? So, since you don't like the music and haven't really listened to it, no one who is in the same boat can really comment on their musical talent.

Wow, you got me. OK, 95% of the lyrics I've heard, which adds up to a good 30+ songs, have lyrics which come off as fairly incoherent whining.

Now find a good point to make instead of being a statistical Nazi.

CK

 

[CraigRT]

Man I sure wish his 15 minuytes of fame would hurry up and end. His music is so annoying (as are his Fratboy fans).

I'm gonna have to go ahead and actually agree with this one...

 

[Jzero]

if you read my original post that i was refering to i did use the phrase unless you are a musician yourself these individuals are most likely more musically gifted than you are.

Oh, ok. I actually forgot having read that previously.

They dont have to digitize the voice but they do anyways.....i bet if britney did a unplugged thing she'd impress just about anybody. for her style of music maybe digitized is the better way to go, who knows.

If Britney could pull off an "unplugged" performance, with no dancers, no digitizers, no tapes, no other "cheats" I seriously would be impressed. But I don't think she could. My money is on they digitize her voice because it just ain't all that great. People who use digitizers occaisionally do it for effect. She does it for most every song.

As for lip syncing, well i can only guess on this one but its proolly difficult to sing your heart out every single night like many of them do when they are touring constantly.

If that's the excuse, they are in the wrong business. With the kind of mics and amplification they have at their disposal, they don't have even have to belt or project. Most of these songs aren't even terribly demanding vocally. Maybe it's more a matter of with all her smoking she no longer has the stamina to sing and dance an entire concert? It's all speculation.

Have u been to any of these concerts or are you assuming?

Been to? yeah right. Seen live televised performances? The last one I saw Britney doing like 2 weeks ago, she wasn't even close to being in sync with the dub. Some of the "oooh yeah" type embellishments she didn't even both mouthing. It was pretty bad.

i took my little sis to nsync and i cannot deny there vocal talents, there wasnt lip syncing.

Most decent performers can lip sync well enough that you won't know the difference, which is why it's doubly disturbing that Britney did such a bad job of it.
Regardless, I suppose you could say they have some small amount of talent inthat they can at least carry a tune. Is it worthy of the endless merchandising and airplay?

Usually not.

Especially when we have orgs like ClearChannel manufacturing stars and doing their best to dictate what gets popular and what does not.

 

[pulse8]

Originally posted by: CKDragon

Originally posted by: pulse8

I can stand them. But 95% of their lyrics come off as fairly incoherent whining.

Exactly my point. People make stupid comments like that. Have you heard 100% of their songs in order to make that judgement?

I doubt it. You know why? Because you don't like the music!! If you don't like the music, why would you listen to it? So, since you don't like the music and haven't really listened to it, no one who is in the same boat can really comment on their musical talent.

Wow, you got me. OK, 95% of the lyrics I've heard, which adds up to a good 30+ songs, have lyrics which come off as fairly incoherent whining.

Now find a good point to make instead of being a statistical Nazi.

CK

If you had any level of reading comprehension, you would've gotten my point. The point being that most people who are bashing the band haven't really heard them. I find it hard to believe, however, that you've heard 30+ songs from DMB enough to analyze the lyrics and you don't even like them.

 

[kehi]

Man I sure wish his 15 minuytes of fame would hurry up and end. His music is so annoying (as are his Fratboy fans).


The fratboy following does seem a little weird if you ask me

 

[Lucky]

The point being that most people who are bashing the band haven't really heard them. I find it hard to believe, however, that you've heard 30+ songs from DMB enough to analyze the lyrics and you don't even like them.

Yeah, god forbid someone NOT like them! :Q


They suck, plain and simple. Same ole sh*t over and over.

 

[Red Dawn]

Skoorb

Sorry he's been around for years and isn't going anywhere - something I wish had happened to most of the crap you old folk brought into this world!

Like you?? Hahaha

 

[gigapet]

Originally posted by: Jzero

if you read my original post that i was refering to i did use the phrase unless you are a musician yourself these individuals are most likely more musically gifted than you are.

Oh, ok. I actually forgot having read that previously.

They dont have to digitize the voice but they do anyways.....i bet if britney did a unplugged thing she'd impress just about anybody. for her style of music maybe digitized is the better way to go, who knows.

If Britney could pull off an "unplugged" performance, with no dancers, no digitizers, no tapes, no other "cheats" I seriously would be impressed. But I don't think she could. My money is on they digitize her voice because it just ain't all that great. People who use digitizers occaisionally do it for effect. She does it for most every song.

As for lip syncing, well i can only guess on this one but its proolly difficult to sing your heart out every single night like many of them do when they are touring constantly.

If that's the excuse, they are in the wrong business. With the kind of mics and amplification they have at their disposal, they don't have even have to belt or project. Most of these songs aren't even terribly demanding vocally. Maybe it's more a matter of with all her smoking she no longer has the stamina to sing and dance an entire concert? It's all speculation.

Have u been to any of these concerts or are you assuming?

Been to? yeah right. Seen live televised performances? The last one I saw Britney doing like 2 weeks ago, she wasn't even close to being in sync with the dub. Some of the "oooh yeah" type embellishments she didn't even both mouthing. It was pretty bad.

i took my little sis to nsync and i cannot deny there vocal talents, there wasnt lip syncing.

Most decent performers can lip sync well enough that you won't know the difference, which is why it's doubly disturbing that Britney did such a bad job of it.
Regardless, I suppose you could say they have some small amount of talent inthat they can at least carry a tune. Is it worthy of the endless merchandising and airplay?

Usually not.

Especially when we have orgs like ClearChannel manufacturing stars and doing their best to dictate what gets popular and what does not.

I know your talking out of your ass with much of what you say becuz if you knew anything about the individuals in nsync or britney spears etc...you would know that there success was no accident. Britney spears has been involved in the entertainment industry since the age of 8. Singing and performing on/off broadway and also sharpening her skillz at performing arts school in NYC. i'm not gonna keep rambling off her bio you can read it here But its clear to see she is not lacking a musical gift and that was my point from the beginning...i am not saying any of these trendy musicians are the best ever i am just syaing they do have talent although not necessarily the best out there.

 

[pulse8]

Originally posted by: Lucky

The point being that most people who are bashing the band haven't really heard them. I find it hard to believe, however, that you've heard 30+ songs from DMB enough to analyze the lyrics and you don't even like them.

Yeah, god forbid someone NOT like them! :Q


They suck, plain and simple. Same ole sh*t over and over.

I didn't say no one could like them. Where the hell did you get that out of my post? I was just saying that most people in this thread who are bashing them, yourself probably included in that, haven't even heard the band.

Then I was just wondering why someone who doesn't like them has listened to 30+ songs of theirs enough to analyze the lyrics.

You can dislike them all you want, that's fine, it's your opinion. What you can't do is judge someone on musical talent when you've never really heard their music.

 

[Jzero]

I know your talking out of your ass with much of what you say becuz if you knew anything about the individuals in nsync or britney spears etc...you would know that there success was no accident.

Their success was no accident, allright. Record execs saw a "look" that they knew they could easily sell to the teen/young adult crowd, coupled it with a "sound" that practically fits a formula, and leveraged available media to create a moneymaking machine. It's nothing to be ashamed of; it has been happening since at least the Beatles.
In fact, I must give additional credit for DMB for largely staying out of this type of business. Their success waxes and wanes with the quality of the songs they release as singles; they don't create singles just to make hits.

Britney spears has been involved in the entertainment industry since the age of 8. Singing and performing on/off broadway and also sharpening her skillz at performing arts school in NYC. i'm not gonna keep rambling off her bio you can read it here

Actually, if you read carefully it mentions acting in off-broadway shows and commercials. As for going to performing arts school, let's just say that as someone who has worked closely with music and perf. arts majors and professors at these schools, getting into them is not always a measure of talent.

But its clear to see she is not lacking a musical gift and that was my point from the beginning...i am not saying any of these trendy musicians are the best ever i am just syaing they do have talent although not necessarily the best out there.

As I said in my prior post, perhaps they have some small measure of "talent."

 

[Lucky]

What you can't do is judge someone on musical talent when you've never really heard their music.

And 30+ songs isnt enough? Personally, i've been to far too many frat parties where his lame music was played...I've heard it, and I think it sucks.

 

[pulse8]

Originally posted by: Lucky

What you can't do is judge someone on musical talent when you've never really heard their music.

And 30+ songs isnt enough? Personally, i've been to far too many frat parties where his lame music was played...I've heard it, and I think it sucks.

You're missing my point again. I don't think he's actually listened to 30+ songs. If I don't like a band, I have no idea why I'd know 30+ of their songs and their lyrics.

 

[royaldank]

I'm a fan of Dave's band. I like the music and have since I followed the band in '94-'95 for a couple dozen shows. Great vibe at the concerts back in the day and lots of great people to meet. With Dave, some people are on another level than just buying CDs and listening to them. There is the community associated with it. The trading of shows, meeting new people at different shows, meeting old friends from the road. This is much like the Dead or Phish. I still listen to Dave's music, but I find the concerts to be a lot different scene wise than when I used to travel for days to see them. But, that is just my opinion, and as such, I haven't been to a Dave concert in years. I still buy his records and I've got a huge collection of live shows.

I think what a lot of this bickering comes down to is respect. People find it real easy to disrespect someone else when talking about art. If you don't like X band, then you are a tool. Or, you like them because your 12 frat brothers like them. If someone likes a particular band, let them like that music. Maybe it means something to them. Maybe the same way you love some band is the same way they love band X. Show some love and courtesy instead of making asinine statements like, "95% of their lyrics are crap and mean nothing." Without liking this particular art, you probably don't understand all the meaning or where it comes from. You just don't like it...but don't stop others from enjoying what they love. Sure, it may be crap to you, but it's not for someone else.

 

[Entity]

Man I sure wish his 15 minuytes of fame would hurry up and end. His music is so annoying (as are his Fratboy fans).

His music is annoying to you? Don't listen to it.

His fans are annoying? Don't listen to them, and don't read their threads.

You knew exactly what this thread was going to be about, and you came into it just to crap. Go away, jackass.

Rob

 

[Red Dawn]

You knew exactly what this thread was going to be about, and you came into it just to crap. Go away, jackass.

Haha..byte me Fanboy Ijust expressed my opinion about him Rob. I'm sorry you don't like my opinion but not sorry enough to not express when I feel like it. Anyway, I enjoy reading others opinions regarding him either pro or con. I think both sides make good points and frankly, I think it makes for better conversation than "Boy Dave sure lost some weight"

 

[pyonir]

Originally posted by: Entity

Man I sure wish his 15 minuytes of fame would hurry up and end. His music is so annoying (as are his Fratboy fans).

His music is annoying to you? Don't listen to it.

His fans are annoying? Don't listen to them, and don't read their threads.

You knew exactly what this thread was going to be about, and you came into it just to crap. Go away, jackass.

Rob

Hi Entity.

 

[Entity]

Haha..byte me Fanboy Ijust expressed my opinion about him Rob. I'm sorry you don't like my opinion but not sorry enough to not express when I feel like it. Anyway, I enjoy reading others opinions regarding him either pro or con. I think both sides make good points and frankly, I think it makes for better conversation than "Boy Dave sure lost some weight"

It's not that your opinion bothers me. Frankly, many of my friends don't like DMB, and I can appreciate that. It's that your opinion - or should I say, your method of expressing it - is as tired and abrasive as your general character. If you enjoy hearing both sides express pro and con opinions, why don't you try expressing your distaste of him without insulting his music and his listeners?

Sometimes your AT schtick gets carried away. I know you can't be as vapid or brusque as you pretend to be here.

Rob

 

[Entity]

Hi Entity.

You know, you're going to bump yourself up to 'lifer' pretty quickly by following me.

Rob

 

[Red Dawn]

Sometimes your AT schtick gets carried away. I know you can't be as vapid or brusque as you pretend to be here.

Well Rob if I was worried about your opinion of me I'd care but frankly I think your better off School Marming someone else. All that's going to happen buddy boy is you are going to lose your composure and get upset over nothing. Maybe you should follow your own advice and just ignore my posts.

 

[pulse8]

If you enjoy hearing both sides express pro and con opinions, why don't you try expressing your distaste of him without insulting his music and his listeners?

Because that would actually require him to think about something and form a valid point.

 

[Entity]

Well Rob if I was worried about your opinion of me I'd care but frankly I think your better off School Marming someone else. All that's going to happen buddy boy is you are going to lose your composure and get upset over nothing. Maybe you should follow your own advice and just ignore my posts.

Red,

I've yet to lose my composure on this board; don't give yourself, or your posts, that much credit. I realize why you and Tex finally decided to get along, though. When he started losing an argument, he called someone a gutless coward. Your insult, I guess, is slightly more creative, yet you use it more often. I suppose that means you defense your points worse than Tex; then again, that doesn't surprise me.

I'd ignore your posts, but I want to make sure new members don't think that everyone respects you.

Rob

 

[Jzero]

Progressive Rock fans are notorious for being "snobs" when it comes to considering one band or another "good."
Amusingly, the label "Prog Rock" cover such a wide variety of musical styles, that there is always some disagreement as to what people like.

I was at a recent Prog Rock festival, and I saw a T-shirt that pretty much sums up arguments about whether any art is "good" or not.
It said:

YOUR FAVORITE BAND SUCKS

 

[CKDragon]

Originally posted by: pulse8

Originally posted by: CKDragon

Originally posted by: pulse8

I can stand them. But 95% of their lyrics come off as fairly incoherent whining.

Exactly my point. People make stupid comments like that. Have you heard 100% of their songs in order to make that judgement?

I doubt it. You know why? Because you don't like the music!! If you don't like the music, why would you listen to it? So, since you don't like the music and haven't really listened to it, no one who is in the same boat can really comment on their musical talent.

Wow, you got me. OK, 95% of the lyrics I've heard, which adds up to a good 30+ songs, have lyrics which come off as fairly incoherent whining.

Now find a good point to make instead of being a statistical Nazi.

CK

If you had any level of reading comprehension, you would've gotten my point. The point being that most people who are bashing the band haven't really heard them. I find it hard to believe, however, that you've heard 30+ songs from DMB enough to analyze the lyrics and you don't even like them.

OK, since you've gone ahead and insulted my reading comprehension, I might as well return the favor. If you had taken the time to read my original post, you would have seen that I said my girlfriend liked them.

Now, whether or not you've had a girlfriend/wife in your time isn't obvious, but if you have, you know that some musical compromises have to be made. So yes, I have listened to a lot of his music, more than I would have liked. So stop running around like an ahole calling people liars because they don't like a particular band's music.

CK

 

[Red Dawn]

I'd ignore your posts, but I want to make sure new members don't think that everyone respects you

And everyones respect isn't important to me. If it was I'd still be sucking up over at Hippys Pub to that Bi Polar Sorely Boy and that whiny Hippy himself. Now that we have that out of the way let's let this thread get back on the subject of DMB and Dave losing weight