Dave Baumann of Beyond3D joins ATI

[Gstanfor]

Originally posted by: geo1

Well, the rep system certainly sucks for those like yourself who like to claim that a pro-greenie must be a hunted animal at B3D, with Chalnoth and Uttar in the top 10. But you just keep telling yourself whatever you need to, Greg.

Well, with nvidias success lately beyond3d doesn't really have much of a choice but to tolerate pro-nvidia people at the moment lest their bias be exposed, do they? We all still know which way the forum as a whole leans though...

I remember Baumann threatening to ban Democoder at one point...

 

[DeathReborn]

Flamin' hell, this thread has brought out all the usual trolls and idiots on AT.

Good luck to Dave in his new job but I hope he can make it clear in his signatures on all tech forums that he is working for ATI in their marketing department (office for 1 anyone?).

 

[n7]

Ahahahaa!

I love how you clowns consider posting on forums a life & death situation :laugh:

You're all gonna die of e-heart attacks in your chairs

 

[thilanliyan]

Originally posted by: n7
e-heart attacks

rofl

 

[Nelsieus]

wow, I'm a little surprised to see how happy some people are at the news of an admin. from, for the most part, a pretty credable site, coming out and announcing he is now the proud "technical marketing manager" for ATI.

Anywho, I think this answers a lot of our questions:

While I shall be stepping aside from editorial duties as a result of my career move Beyond3D will obviously still go on. In fact, moves behind the scenes have put Beyond3D on a more secure footing than it has been for a long time and we soon we?ll be able to announce who will carry on steering the site toward its next stage of development and growth. Stay tuned.

So atleast he's leaving.

 

[Chocolate Pi]

Innocent bystander observations:

Gstanfor: "He's a troll! I have proof! ...what? No, you can't see it. He is so cunning, he hides the bias so well that only I can detect it!"

 

[RobertR1]

Geo,

lil Gregy is extremely jealous and obsessive with Dave for whatever reason. Anytime Dave's name comes up, Gregy is right there to tell us how Dave broke his heart and won't return his phonecalls. We tried group hugs but even that didn't work. Now we just ignore him and let him ramble on

 

[imported_Crusader]

Originally posted by: Shamrock
Now you cant even mention NVidia over there at all, not just badmouth it.

So, is Dave the ultimate Viral marketer? LOL

QFT

This guys been doing the dirty sanchez and more in bed with ATI for a long, long time.. its just official now.

 

[kylebisme]

Nah, an even keel just looks like bias to those who are biased.

 

[Nelsieus]

Originally posted by: TheSnowman
Nah, an even keel just looks like bias to those who are biased.

No, it's obvious Dave was mildly biased (I frequent B3D quite often).

The only reason I wasn't too bothered was because he didn't use his admin. position / title to force his opinion onto others, or disort facts to cast his affirmed company in an inaccurate light.

 

[Nelsieus]

Originally posted by: geo1

Well, the rep system certainly sucks for those like yourself who like to claim that a pro-greenie must be a hunted animal at B3D, with Chalnoth and Uttar in the top 10. But you just keep telling yourself whatever you need to, Greg.

Uttar primarily transcripts conference calls and webcasts, so I'm not sure where you're getting that from. I guess because the conference calls and webcasts he covers are all from nVidia, you assume this puts him with a "pro-greenie" title, yet you take the same position with ATI, covering their qarterly conference calls and such, as well. Only once, recently, did you "attempt" to transcript (yea, sorry, I prefer Uttar's) a webcast that was held two months ago (for nVidia).

EDIT: One month ago, not two (end of May)

 

[kylebisme]

Originally posted by: Nelsieus
(I frequent B3D quite often)

I do as well, more than any other website on the net. I go by 'kyleb' over there. I can't say I agree with your claim though.

 

[RobertR1]

We need to start a support group for Gregy, Nelsius and Crusader. They're gonna really miss Dave

 

[ronnn]

Originally posted by: geo1
I did notice in Wavey's announcement that he says "approaches from the IHVs for a job position" --note the plural. Now, I suppose he could have meant S3, but I suspect he didn't --so it seems likely the green team put their bid in as well.

That is the most interesting part of all this. Dave is a very knowledgeable guy. He should have a real effect that hopefully will impact the end user experience. :beer:

 

[Nelsieus]

Originally posted by: RobertR1
We need to start a support group for Gregy, Nelsius and Crusader. They're gonna really miss Dave

Perhaps just a little, though like he said in his speech, he hasn't been around lately so I've gotten used to not seeing him.

And I think we can all agree he is a very smart man. I'm glad his aspirations came true, and am interested to see what comes next for B3D.

 

[geo1]

Originally posted by: Nelsieus

Originally posted by: geo1

Well, the rep system certainly sucks for those like yourself who like to claim that a pro-greenie must be a hunted animal at B3D, with Chalnoth and Uttar in the top 10. But you just keep telling yourself whatever you need to, Greg.

Uttar primarily transcripts conference calls and webcasts, so I'm not sure where you're getting that from. I guess because the conference calls and webcasts he covers are all from nVidia, you assume this puts him with a "pro-greenie" title, yet you take the same position with ATI, covering their qarterly conference calls and such, as well. Only once, recently, did you "attempt" to transcript (yea, sorry, I prefer Uttar's) a webcast that was held two months ago (for nVidia).

EDIT: One month ago, not two (end of May)

I think you don't know Uttar's history all that well, Nelsius. You should look up "Not For Idiots" website. Uttar was *the* man for NV30 speculation pre-release (i.e. before the heartbreak set in). http://www.notforidiots.com/ULE.php

We have pretty much made an agreement between us to split the CC transcripts that way, because it turns out it is quite a lot of work to do justice to all of them for both companies. If you go back further, you'll find more NV transcripts from me in addition to the recent one that I did because Uttar was otherwise occupied that time. I was very happy to have Uttar pitch in as well so we could mostly split that work and provide full coverage without overworking either of us. But if he wasn't there I'd do the NV ones as well, every one I could find.

Understand, when I say Uttar is pro-greenie, I am not criticising him in the least, nor do I think he is at all unreasonable. He leans a bit green. This is not a sin in my eyes, nor should it be in any others. If others perceive me as leaning red (tho I had a 6800GT last gen, and broke the High Road connection in public), then I would hope they'd give me the same consideration.

 

[Keysplayr]

Originally posted by: 5150Joker

Originally posted by: Gstanfor

Originally posted by: 5150Joker

Originally posted by: Gstanfor
Not always he hasn't. You need to carefully read what he posts in the forums to see his ATi bias, he hides it well in reviews. Nonetheless he should be much happier at ATi, and maybe, just maybe, he will drag their marketing out of the sewer.

Weren't you banned at B3D for being a troll?

No, banned for proving Baumann wrong on technical issues pertaining to DX9 / Geforce FX too many times. Baumann has a thin skin...

In another words, you were banned for being a troll.

Yes, and similiar to what you're doing now. You have to let people have their opinions man. Even when you adamently disagree. But not resorting to namecalling. Try breaking away from your norm.

 

[Keysplayr]

Originally posted by: TheSnowman
Not blind, "he hides it well in reviews" doesn't jive with the glowing review I speak of. Feel free to link to whatever you think supports you claims, but it looks pretty clear to me that you are the one with bias issues here.

But surely you must know, Baumann has been under scrutiny quite a few times for being biased toward ATI. The "glowing" review of NV40 was because it was a damn good product, unlike the FX series shortcomings. No getting around that, so what could he possibly say to show the card in a bad light? So, what exactly are you going for here?

 

[5150Joker]

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003

Originally posted by: 5150Joker

Originally posted by: Gstanfor

Originally posted by: 5150Joker

Originally posted by: Gstanfor
Not always he hasn't. You need to carefully read what he posts in the forums to see his ATi bias, he hides it well in reviews. Nonetheless he should be much happier at ATi, and maybe, just maybe, he will drag their marketing out of the sewer.

Weren't you banned at B3D for being a troll?

No, banned for proving Baumann wrong on technical issues pertaining to DX9 / Geforce FX too many times. Baumann has a thin skin...

In another words, you were banned for being a troll.

Yes, and similiar to what you're doing now. You have to let people have their opinions man. Even when you adamently disagree. But not resorting to namecalling. Try breaking away from your norm.

His opinion is garbage because he's already proven to be a liar with regards to the HDR+AA debate he had with BFG10K. Not only that, but given the fact that he's an nVidiot (like you), it's no surprise he'd attack anyone that doesn't subscribe to the nVidia-is-god mentality.

 

[Keysplayr]

Originally posted by: 5150Joker

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003

Originally posted by: 5150Joker

Originally posted by: Gstanfor

Originally posted by: 5150Joker

Originally posted by: Gstanfor
Not always he hasn't. You need to carefully read what he posts in the forums to see his ATi bias, he hides it well in reviews. Nonetheless he should be much happier at ATi, and maybe, just maybe, he will drag their marketing out of the sewer.

Weren't you banned at B3D for being a troll?

No, banned for proving Baumann wrong on technical issues pertaining to DX9 / Geforce FX too many times. Baumann has a thin skin...

In another words, you were banned for being a troll.

Yes, and similiar to what you're doing now. You have to let people have their opinions man. Even when you adamently disagree. But not resorting to namecalling. Try breaking away from your norm.

His opinion is garbage because he's already proven to be a liar with regards to the HDR+AA debate he had with BFG10K. Not only that, but given the fact that he's an nVidiot (like you), it's no surprise he'd attack anyone that doesn't subscribe to the nVidia-is-god mentality.

Hehe, that's pretty funny. I was told by someone who knows you that you really do just like to fight online. That being said, I won't fuel you any further. -Cheers.

 

[geo1]

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003

Originally posted by: TheSnowman
Not blind, "he hides it well in reviews" doesn't jive with the glowing review I speak of. Feel free to link to whatever you think supports you claims, but it looks pretty clear to me that you are the one with bias issues here.

But surely you must know, Baumann has been under scrutiny quite a few times for being biased toward ATI. The "glowing" review of NV40 was because it was a damn good product, unlike the FX series shortcomings. No getting around that, so what could he possibly say to show the card in a bad light? So, what exactly are you going for here?

Baumann broke the story that NV30 was 4x2 rather than 8x1 as NV had been representing --some people have just never forgiven him for that, as if it was somehow his fault that NV30 was not the competitive success that the green team had enjoyed previous to that point.

"No getting around that" re NV40? I'm rather puzzled by that statement. Isn't what people mean when they talk about bias that products are substantially misrepresented --in other words, a way is certainly found in a biased review "around" whatever the actual merits of the product are to produce the desired result? So I'm left believing your standard is glowing reviews are just giving a product its due, while negative ones are where the bias lives? This does seem to be the standard for too many folks. The IHV's often seem to act like they think this is true. I'm pretty sure that standard does a disservice to consumers, however.

So the impression one gets is the Anti-Baumann types seem to feel that Baumann killed NV30 but had nothing to do with NV40's success. My own view is the truth is a lot simpler than that --NV30 killed NV30, and NV40 was a success because it deserved to be; all Baumann did was help the community understand both of them better. Tho I shouldn't say "all he did", as that is certainly a useful function, and personally I'm going to miss him at B3D.

 

[Keysplayr]

Originally posted by: geo1

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003

Originally posted by: TheSnowman
Not blind, "he hides it well in reviews" doesn't jive with the glowing review I speak of. Feel free to link to whatever you think supports you claims, but it looks pretty clear to me that you are the one with bias issues here.

But surely you must know, Baumann has been under scrutiny quite a few times for being biased toward ATI. The "glowing" review of NV40 was because it was a damn good product, unlike the FX series shortcomings. No getting around that, so what could he possibly say to show the card in a bad light? So, what exactly are you going for here?

Baumann broke the story that NV30 was 4x2 rather than 8x1 as NV had been representing --some people have just never forgiven him for that, as if it was somehow his fault that NV30 was not the competitive success that the green team had enjoyed previous to that point.

"No getting around that" re NV40? I'm rather puzzled by that statement. Isn't what people mean when they talk about bias that products are substantially misrepresented --in other words, a way is certainly found in a biased review "around" whatever the actual merits of the product are to produce the desired result? So I'm left believing your standard is glowing reviews are just giving a product its due, while negative ones are where the bias lives? This does seem to be the standard for too many folks. The IHV's often seem to act like they think this is true. I'm pretty sure that standard does a disservice to consumers, however.

I really don't know if I am not understanding what everyone is throwing in here, or that it's just not important enough for me to care. I think it's the latter. Too many opinions. Too many interpretations of each opinion by others. I really gets nowhere fast. But, alas, that's the way it goes.

 

[jim1976]

Originally posted by: Ackmed

Originally posted by: Shamrock
Now you cant even mention NVidia over there at all, not just badmouth it.

So, is Dave the ultimate Viral marketer? LOL

Another lie. You can say what you want about NV, or ATi at B3D. Ive been very critical of both, and nothing has happened. And for the record, there at least two people who are in the AEG program who post regularly over there.

LOL leave him... Wavey is a very respectable and knowledgeable person who has managed to create one of the most expert technical forums..
Ppl who were on the AEG program are an "integral"part of these forums for years and guess what? They respect him and value B3D!!! While many of them as everyone can easily understand had serious reasons not to.. You know they are the same ppl who didn't want Rollo on the AEG team... And I am supposed to care for little fanatic kids opinions? :disgust:

I don't care if Dave goes with ATI. As long as he keeps the high standards that he has set and remains serious and objective(as objective as a human can be) I have zero problem...

 

[redbox]

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003

Originally posted by: geo1

Originally posted by: keysplayr2003

Originally posted by: TheSnowman
Not blind, "he hides it well in reviews" doesn't jive with the glowing review I speak of. Feel free to link to whatever you think supports you claims, but it looks pretty clear to me that you are the one with bias issues here.

But surely you must know, Baumann has been under scrutiny quite a few times for being biased toward ATI. The "glowing" review of NV40 was because it was a damn good product, unlike the FX series shortcomings. No getting around that, so what could he possibly say to show the card in a bad light? So, what exactly are you going for here?

Baumann broke the story that NV30 was 4x2 rather than 8x1 as NV had been representing --some people have just never forgiven him for that, as if it was somehow his fault that NV30 was not the competitive success that the green team had enjoyed previous to that point.

"No getting around that" re NV40? I'm rather puzzled by that statement. Isn't what people mean when they talk about bias that products are substantially misrepresented --in other words, a way is certainly found in a biased review "around" whatever the actual merits of the product are to produce the desired result? So I'm left believing your standard is glowing reviews are just giving a product its due, while negative ones are where the bias lives? This does seem to be the standard for too many folks. The IHV's often seem to act like they think this is true. I'm pretty sure that standard does a disservice to consumers, however.

I really don't know if I am not understanding what everyone is throwing in here, or that it's just not important enough for me to care. I think it's the latter. Too many opinions. Too many interpretations of each opinion by others. I really gets nowhere fast. But, alas, that's the way it goes.

For me it is the first one. I am not sure what Geo was trying to say in the first part of his post, his wording is a little funny. But I do agree with the part saying that NV30 killed NV30 and NV40 was a hit because it was a good card. How can a review site be biased all the time and how can you call it bias if most other hardware sites agreed that the NV30 sucked bad?

 

[Shamrock]

I said what I said for the past...remember the 68xx series and X8xx series, and Dave was touting the superior AF? He used the "box" method, with a bunch of little boxes scaling into a bigger one? I managed to call him on it, because I had a CRT...I located the INFERIOR AF ATI had. He argued with me until I showed him proof. Luckily I was here in Anand's forums and he couldnt do anything. He made a special trip over here to argue the points. But over on "HIS" forums, he banned over 2 dozen people for proving him wrong on that little debacle.

And Dave being "mildly biased", and "high standards"? That is a bit overboard. More like "heavily biased toward ATI", and "high standards toward red". There, it's fixed.

It's not that I dont like ATI, it's Dave's blinders he has on. I'll admit, ATI has superior performance (marginally in SOME benchies), and that they have superior AF (NOW they do!), but nV has superior AA, and actually works in Linux. My main reason for going green.