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Daughter's 8th grade teacher showing Troy movie in the classroom.
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eLiTeGoodGuy
Golden Member
I really don't know what to think of this.
I really believe that the US standards are too tight on what is considered in appropriate. Most European countries allow atleast partial nudity in their billboard/magazine ads. US has really strict standards on what is considered ok or not. I think it's great that they are showing that in school, to me that says that the walls are starting to come down and schools are being more open on what is acceptable to kids.
On the otherhand, we want parents to start taking a more active role on what happens with their kids instead of complaining everytime something goes wrong. (ie. Blaming school violence on video games, movies, rap music) The parents should be responsible for what movies their children sees and what games their kids play. If the OP doesn't feel a Rated R movie is appropriate for his child, he has a right to say "no my child will not see that movie" The school took that right away from him, and allowed his child to view the movie.
I really believe that the US standards are too tight on what is considered in appropriate. Most European countries allow atleast partial nudity in their billboard/magazine ads. US has really strict standards on what is considered ok or not. I think it's great that they are showing that in school, to me that says that the walls are starting to come down and schools are being more open on what is acceptable to kids.
On the otherhand, we want parents to start taking a more active role on what happens with their kids instead of complaining everytime something goes wrong. (ie. Blaming school violence on video games, movies, rap music) The parents should be responsible for what movies their children sees and what games their kids play. If the OP doesn't feel a Rated R movie is appropriate for his child, he has a right to say "no my child will not see that movie" The school took that right away from him, and allowed his child to view the movie.
forrestroche
Senior member
Just wait until she's forty five and then talk to me.
She didn't know it was uncut. I knew because she discussed the movie with me. The beginning had full nudity...that sorta told me right there that it was uncut.
FWIW, my daughter does not go out on the city without supervision like that.
When she goes to the theater or mall, etc., a responsible adult always is present. That is our system so far and it works very well.
theprodigalrebel
Lifer
They showed us Titanic when I was 13 but they skipped the whole nude-painting/car-lovemaking scene. (But I had already seen Winslet's boobies in the theatre😛) I am guessing they must have forwarded the few scenes in Troy?
I do remember when I was seven, I watched Terminator 2 Judgment Day with my family (on video). My parents didn't particularly care for profanity - they figured it was something all children learn anyway in school.
And yeah, I don't curse/swear any more than the average, normal person. Exposure to lousy movies at an early age means kids will have lame taste in movies - the Jack Thompson-like lawyers don't know what the hell they are talking about.
I think you really shouldn't be too concerned about your child - you do have the right to take it up with the school administration but I don't quite see the point. It's just Troy - not like they saw A Clockwork Orange. Hell, even The Matrix was R-rated. Not all R-rated movies are the same.
I do remember when I was seven, I watched Terminator 2 Judgment Day with my family (on video). My parents didn't particularly care for profanity - they figured it was something all children learn anyway in school.
And yeah, I don't curse/swear any more than the average, normal person. Exposure to lousy movies at an early age means kids will have lame taste in movies - the Jack Thompson-like lawyers don't know what the hell they are talking about.
I think you really shouldn't be too concerned about your child - you do have the right to take it up with the school administration but I don't quite see the point. It's just Troy - not like they saw A Clockwork Orange. Hell, even The Matrix was R-rated. Not all R-rated movies are the same.
forrestroche
Senior member
Well it wasn't funny.
Edit: and like I think someone else already said, one that you would not ever have the nerve to say to a father in person. So to do so here is a cowardly act.
If it's meant to be educational it probably doesn't even matter, just like the sex ed 'photos'. By 8th grade I was seeing horrific WW2 photos, of which I won't go into the details. No permission slip and no nothing. If we're talking about watching some movie for fun that's rated R, there is no way that we'd have been able to watch it however. I watched Saving Private Ryan in 10th grade with no permission slip, but we were studying WW2.
CPA
Elite Member
Regardless if a kid is "old enough" or has seen stuff like this before, it is still the parent's decision whether or not the child should see it. The school and teacher are wrong for taking it up on themselves to show an R rated movie without approval from the parents. I have let my kids watch R rated movies, but I would be mightely pissed if the school did without my consent.
Extelleron
Diamond Member
You're some parent if you don't realize that your average 6th grader has seen worse than Troy.
Stop trying to hide the world from a 14 year old. It doesn't work. They'll have to see the real world sometime, and it isn't all about G-rated flowers and bunny rabbits.
thescreensavers
Diamond Member
She will have to see if if she dont then she will be missing work. She will have to deal with it. ok....
When I was middle school, I think I remember having to have a slip signed and brought back for R movies.
TROY!? I think the more disturbing issue is this teacher is using stylized hollywood summer blockbuster to teach history.
I saw movies like Menace II Society, I was 10 when it came out. I turned out alright, although for a few weeks I thought it was funny to keep saying "give me the wallet, the system, the Daytons, and don't for get the cheeseburger - I said CHEESEburger bitch!"
And in freshman english, age 14, we got to watch that old romeo and juliet from the 60's and juliet's boobs are in it, and the actress was only 16 at the time I think? So child porn in school.
Ok i looked it up and the actress was born in 51 and the movie came out in '68, so if you figure in filming. She was hot though. http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0063518/
TROY!? I think the more disturbing issue is this teacher is using stylized hollywood summer blockbuster to teach history.
I saw movies like Menace II Society, I was 10 when it came out. I turned out alright, although for a few weeks I thought it was funny to keep saying "give me the wallet, the system, the Daytons, and don't for get the cheeseburger - I said CHEESEburger bitch!"
And in freshman english, age 14, we got to watch that old romeo and juliet from the 60's and juliet's boobs are in it, and the actress was only 16 at the time I think? So child porn in school.
Ok i looked it up and the actress was born in 51 and the movie came out in '68, so if you figure in filming. She was hot though. http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0063518/
I also applaud the OP for taking up his role of being a father. There are too many people in this world who just wants to be married and have kids, but do not own up to being a good father or mother. They just send their kids to school treating it as a free daycare. Being an active parent is somewhat of a lost art these days.
What strikes me as odd is that the same people who lament about young girls dressing too slutty and sexually promiscuous are the same people who complain about you being too protective, overbearing, etc. The fact is, kids need structure and discipline. They also need to be taught right from wrong. You cannot depend on the media to provide any of that. Filtering and censorship is a must. How much that is applied is up to the parents.
The first thing a young kid wants to be or act like is an adult. Their perception of what that is without parental guidance can be a scary matter. The consumer driven media, where sex sells and money talks, may not be the best influence for your kids. You can't blame it on one single source, ie a particular magazine, game, or TV show. But the collective combined message portrayed often influences what is socially acceptable by young adults and adolescents today. Why do think it's considered cool to be sexy at a very young age and losing ones virginity at that age becomes a major priority. It's tough being a good parent given all that's working against you: the media, the kid's peers, other parents.
Given the lifespan of a human being, a person has plenty of time (I do mean plenty) of being an adult. There's absolutely no reason for society to hurry them to adulthood. One should treasure their childhood. Good parents can help in ensuring that for their kids. I've seen enough people from conservative upbringings who turn up fine as adults. At the right age and aided by education they can deal with the real world. Sheltering them from an R rated movie at age 13 is not going to inhibit their adaptive ability.
Superself, if I were you I would send a polite note to the teacher that in the future you would like to be notified if your child is going to be exposed to inappropriate material prior to showing it in class. That gives you ample time to decide for yourself whether it is appropriate or not.
What strikes me as odd is that the same people who lament about young girls dressing too slutty and sexually promiscuous are the same people who complain about you being too protective, overbearing, etc. The fact is, kids need structure and discipline. They also need to be taught right from wrong. You cannot depend on the media to provide any of that. Filtering and censorship is a must. How much that is applied is up to the parents.
The first thing a young kid wants to be or act like is an adult. Their perception of what that is without parental guidance can be a scary matter. The consumer driven media, where sex sells and money talks, may not be the best influence for your kids. You can't blame it on one single source, ie a particular magazine, game, or TV show. But the collective combined message portrayed often influences what is socially acceptable by young adults and adolescents today. Why do think it's considered cool to be sexy at a very young age and losing ones virginity at that age becomes a major priority. It's tough being a good parent given all that's working against you: the media, the kid's peers, other parents.
Given the lifespan of a human being, a person has plenty of time (I do mean plenty) of being an adult. There's absolutely no reason for society to hurry them to adulthood. One should treasure their childhood. Good parents can help in ensuring that for their kids. I've seen enough people from conservative upbringings who turn up fine as adults. At the right age and aided by education they can deal with the real world. Sheltering them from an R rated movie at age 13 is not going to inhibit their adaptive ability.
Superself, if I were you I would send a polite note to the teacher that in the future you would like to be notified if your child is going to be exposed to inappropriate material prior to showing it in class. That gives you ample time to decide for yourself whether it is appropriate or not.
I'm sure there are others like me out there, I was never really censored from anything. Like I said, I saw stuff like menace II society. I was 10 when it came out in '93. I think that ya, maybe you can try and control what your child sees, but you can't stop them from seeing everything. So instead, maybe it's better to educate them on what it is they are seeing, and to shape how the react to it.
Put a good head on their shoulders instead of putting a paper bag over it and hoping for the best.
Put a good head on their shoulders instead of putting a paper bag over it and hoping for the best.
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