Daughter's 8th grade teacher showing Troy movie in the classroom.

[getbush]

Originally posted by: Pause
What about all the nights (at least 4 nights per week) you've brought strange men into the house late at night and told your daughter it's their new daddy? You think that's better than troy? HUH? DO YOU!!!??? Well I've got news for you OP, it's not.

we need a trial period

wwybywb

 

[Ricochet]

Originally posted by: Pause
What about all the nights (at least 4 nights per week) you've brought strange men into the house late at night and told your daughter it's their new daddy? You think that's better than troy? HUH? DO YOU!!!??? Well I've got news for you OP, it's not.

Whattt???? :disgust:

 

[waggy]

Originally posted by: Pause
What about all the nights (at least 4 nights per week) you've brought strange men into the house late at night and told your daughter it's their new daddy? You think that's better than troy? HUH? DO YOU!!!??? Well I've got news for you OP, it's not.

unless you have proof i would knock it off.

first you call the kid a slut and now this? damn

 

[BrokenVisage]

lol, Pause for elite!

As for the topic at hand I don't really have a problem with it, but I'm on the Anti-Pussification of America committee too so take my opinion with a grain of salt and a shot of tequila.

 

[waggy]

Originally posted by: Amused
We were shown A Clockwork Orange in Jr High school. (The early 80s)

I don't see a problem with this.

do you think that the school should ask the parents IF it is ok with them? Don't the parents still have a say?


though on the flip side many do want the school to raise the children. wich i think is part of the problem with both education and how children are today.

 

[waggy]

Originally posted by: BrokenVisage
lol, Pause for elite!

As for the topic at hand I don't really have a problem with it, but I'm on the Anti-Pussification of America committee too so take my opinion with a grain of salt and a shot of tequila.

elit for what? makeing up bullshit? calling the 13 yr old girla ho?

 

[Narse]

We watched Glory in 8th grade, just as bad as Troy.

 

[thegimp03]

My grade school and junior high use to send home parental consent forms - was for sex educational stuff though. I don't remember watching any R-rated movies at school either. It was all PG or PG-13 rated.

I'm surprised your daughter's school didn't send home any parental consent forms...

 

[waggy]

Originally posted by: thegimp03
My grade school and junior high use to send home parental consent forms - was for sex educational stuff though. I don't remember watching any R-rated movies at school either. It was all PG or PG-13 rated.

I'm surprised your daughter's school didn't send home any parental consent forms...

we watched a few that were R in highschool. but they had to have parental consent.

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: waggy

Originally posted by: Amused
We were shown A Clockwork Orange in Jr High school. (The early 80s)

I don't see a problem with this.

do you think that the school should ask the parents IF it is ok with them? Don't the parents still have a say?

Oh I'm sure my parents would have had a heart attack if they knew.

On the bright side the film was very educational. We all went out and spread a little of our own "ultraviolence" after that.

 

[Extelleron]

Originally posted by: getbush
I'm sure there are others like me out there, I was never really censored from anything. Like I said, I saw stuff like menace II society. I was 10 when it came out in '93. I think that ya, maybe you can try and control what your child sees, but you can't stop them from seeing everything. So instead, maybe it's better to educate them on what it is they are seeing, and to shape how the react to it.

Put a good head on their shoulders instead of putting a paper bag over it and hoping for the best.

:thumbsup:

Exactly how I feel.

 

[Molondo]

Originally posted by: Extelleron

Originally posted by: getbush
I'm sure there are others like me out there, I was never really censored from anything. Like I said, I saw stuff like menace II society. I was 10 when it came out in '93. I think that ya, maybe you can try and control what your child sees, but you can't stop them from seeing everything. So instead, maybe it's better to educate them on what it is they are seeing, and to shape how the react to it.

Put a good head on their shoulders instead of putting a paper bag over it and hoping for the best.

:thumbsup:

Exactly how I feel.

getbush for president.

 

[HombrePequeno]

Why the fvck did they watch that crapfest? If they're doing sh!t on mythology I would think a movie like Clash of the Titans would be much more appropriate.

That being said, yes the movie is rated R but it's really not that bad. The violence in there is pretty tame compared to some other movies like Gladiator or Alexander. I don't recall if there was any sex in the movie. That's quite a ballsy school though. My school refused to show anything over PG-13 unless there was a parent permission slip. I recall one of the substitute teachers playing American Pie for a class...he was asked to never come back. I couldn't even imagine my school ever playing something like A Clockwork Orange like Amused's did. I saw that movie on my own in senior year of high school and I thought it was fvcked up.

The people saying his daughter is already a tramp are beyond fvcked up. Seriously, this is his daughter we're talking about. My friends get pissed if you talk sh!t about their little sisters and I know I would be extremely pissed if people started talking about my nieces in that way. Show some fvcking respect. If you're going to make comments about his daughter possibly being sexually active, make them constructive or don't make them at all.

 

[Turin39789]

Shoot, Im a public school kid and our HIGH school pretty much didn't want the teachers showing anything above a PG. I remember a teacher wanting to show us Schindler's List at the end of our Junior or Senior year and the Principal catching wind of it and coming into the middle of class to take the video out.


I would definetly contact the school and raise your concerns. The school should know better and should have at the very least sent out a permission slip, that takes what about 4 minutes to make the copies to hand out?

 

[Captante]

Originally posted by: Ronstang

Originally posted by: CPA
Regardless if a kid is "old enough" or has seen stuff like this before, it is still the parent's decision whether or not the child should see it. The school and teacher are wrong for taking it up on themselves to show an R rated movie without approval from the parents. I have let my kids watch R rated movies, but I would be mightely pissed if the school did without my consent.

This sums up the issue rather well.

I agree. :thumbsup:


Regardless of how any of us feel about how the OP handles raising his daughter, the decision should be his & his wifes not the schools.

 

[MemoryInAGarden]

We watched The Patriot in 9th grade psych class and Nick Berg's beheading on a projector in 12th grade. And you complain about Troy?

 

[BD2003]

Intelligent, independent thought and conservatism are much different from draconian behavior. Many households inherently understand how to raise intelligent children in a conservative manner who are actually more capable of surviving on the street than many children raised by parents who take less responsibility in raising their children by allowing the unpleasant aspects of society more freedom to dirty the purity found in innocence. This is one aspect of life that many organized religions strive to teach families. This one aspect of life is so important to learn that it is understood to be included in the six dimensions of religion, where it is known within the Ethical and Social dimensions.

Which is all fine and great, in the perfect world. We do not live in that world. The real world is not concerned with the purity of innocence, or contrived preconceptions based upon religion. Thats a fine trophy to have on your mantle, but it's just ornamental in the end - the only person who cares even the slightest bit about you or your child's innocence is you and your child.

The point I am trying to make is that the OP appears to be lacking balance. Overprotectiveness is as bad as underprotectiveness. Using a biological analogy, unless you get dirty from time to time, your immune system won't be able to handle anything. Being fastidiously clean all the time sure feels great, but it's not good for your health. Likewise, putting a kid in a bubble is just as bad as throwing them out on the street.

The six dimensions of religion are:

• Ritual
• Mythological
• Doctrinal
• Ethical
• Social
• Experiential

I find it saddening when loud, unknowing people push their incorrect thoughts onto quieter people who often better understand a situation. Being loud is widely recognized by intelligent people to show lack of understanding with a closed mind. While one of your previous posts was humorous and well thought out, it is apparent you do not understand the issues significant to this situation. Please make the effort to open your mind and consider the views expressed by those you disagree with.

EDIT: format and one spelling mistake.

And I find it saddening when people come and try to claim their righteousness based upon the inarguable circular reasoning that is organized religion.

I am impressed that you've managed to diplomatically be derogatory, snooty, dismissive, condescending and holier than thou towards one person in a single short paragraph though.

But let me be clear - I do get where you're coming from. In a world of like minded people, raising your child as you mention is a great idea. But unless you live in a small town in the middle of nowhere, you and your daughter is going to have to deal with that X factor you don't like, that you wish didn't exist. You know, loud, unintelligent plebians, like myself.

The sooner your kids learn that, the better.

 

[Suspicious-Teach8788]

Originally posted by: Narse
We watched Glory in 8th grade, just as bad as Troy.

Glory doesn't have as much blood. It's a violent film, but Troy adds special effects just like any 21st century film.

I think a lot of people can't take Troy. I can guarantee you I can name a bunch of friends who can't even handle the violence who are in their 20s.

I think as GUYS HERE on ATOT we should be able to take it no problem, but females are different ok? I remember watching Troy and this girl just kept hiding and holding onto me. My ex can't even take scary movie commercials for example and switches to Disney Channel. Go figure?

 

[Captante]

Originally posted by: Amused
We were shown A Clockwork Orange in Jr High school. (The early 80s)

I don't see a problem with this.

The issue isn't the subject matter at all, thats almost beside the point.

Personally I agree with you & think that the OP's daughter was fine seeing Troy at age 13 & I have 13 & 8 y/o daughters myself, however what I think isn't any more relevent then what the school thinks.

 

[Cattlegod]

if you keep your kid sheltered, he/she will go into drugs.

 

[BD2003]

Originally posted by: Superself

Originally posted by: BD2003

Originally posted by: Superself

Originally posted by: BD2003

Originally posted by: Superself

Originally posted by: chusteczka
I believe one issue in this situation is preserving his daughter's innocence. This is a concept numerous people here are displaying they fail to understand. Innocence is not only related to sex but also to violence and many other areas often displayed in adult oriented movies. It is a father's role in many households to preserve the innocence of their children and I fully agree with Superself that this movie should not have been shown, for a variety of reasons a few people have already pointed out.

• Adult content is not suitable for a child until the age of 15 or 16. Of course, this is highly subjective.
• The teacher took it easy for two or three days during the showing of the movie.
• Better instructional material is readily available.
• It is not the instructor's place to determine an R-rated movie is acceptable to show to a group of 13 year olds.
• Hollywood movies are created purely for entertainment value while the classroom's focus should always be on education.

There is nothing happier and more beautiful in this world than a young girl/lady with her innocence preserved.
There is nothing sadder in this world than a young lady with her innocence shattered, barely able to preserve her own memories of her lost innocence.

Interesting that nobody responded to your good post.
Thanks for understanding.

Your daughter is going to absolutely loathe you in about 2 years or so - which is typical, except she'll actually be justified.

You certainly hope so huh?

It doesnt matter whether or not I hope it - it's going to happen. Im completely indifferent.

I'm just trying to speak the truth to you here. You are doing her a diservice by sheltering her to such an extreme degree. How is she going to be able to function in the real world if you are upset about her watching a fictional movie? I can't imagine the sh*tstorm that would go down if you actually caught her talking to a boy.

She's a human being, not an ornament to you. She needs to grow up. Sure, innocent little girls are cute. They're also the first to get taken advantage of. You can create a fantasy world around her that will eventually get shattered, or you can let her learn things on her own. You need to guide her, not own her.

I know how upset you'll be if ANYTHING unpleasnt happens to her, but thats about YOU, not her. You can't handle it. Neither can she, but if you never let her, she'll never be able to.

I'm not suggesting you just let her go out and do whatever she pleases, but the girls I grew up with that had draconian parents such as yourself almost invariably ended up the biggest sluts or the complete basketcases.

My wife was born and raised in Manhattan. She was sheltered and somehow dodged both the slut wagon and the airhead express train. Hopefully the apple doesn't fall too far...

You can continue to dismiss everyone else's experience while putting your own on a pedestal, which is only natural.

But in all honesty, there is nothing more hilarious than a parent who thinks they actually know what is *actually* going on with their kids when they're not looking. I know your want to believe she's a special jewel that is different from all the rest, but once high school comes around, unless she's slips up pretty badly, she'll have figured out your number and know exactly how to get around you, just like every other kid.

If you asked my mother about me, I'm sure she'd tell you I'm a little angel too.

Sure there are good kids, and there are bad kids, and high school and college is nothing like TV or the news portrays for the vast majority of kids, but from my own personal, somewhat recent and fresh in my mind experience, from a "gifted, selective school" no less, your daughter is just as likely to run away from home and hate your guts as the ones without a father.

In a nutshell - If everyone else on the highway is doing 75, and you're doing 55, because it's the law, you're the one who's out of sync and most likely to get slammed into. Slowly is not equal to safely.

 

[Kirby]

Troy is so bad it should be inappropriate for any age.

But back on topic, in 9th grade we watched Shindler's List in history. We had to have permission from our parents and our teacher fast-forwarded the sex scenes. But we got all the violence.

 

[Pause]

Originally posted by: waggy

Originally posted by: Pause
What about all the nights (at least 4 nights per week) you've brought strange men into the house late at night and told your daughter it's their new daddy? You think that's better than troy? HUH? DO YOU!!!??? Well I've got news for you OP, it's not.

unless you have proof i would knock it off.

first you call the kid a slut and now this? damn

Stop whining you post counting wh0re. It was yet another joke. I'm bored not just a total d1ck. Unless of course some idiot like you comes on here, takes it seriously, and starts running his mouth over the course of multiple posts within a few minutes of eachother so he can rack up his post count because he has no fvcking life. diaf

 

[Canai]

Originally posted by: nkgreen
Troy is so bad it should be inappropriate for any age.

But back on topic, in 9th grade we watched Shindler's List in history. We had to have permission from our parents and our teacher fast-forwarded the sex scenes. But we got all the violence.

I saw that in middle school, with parental permission, unedited. Also saw Glory.

to OP, you are right in being angry over them not getting parental permission first, but wrong to want to shelter your 13 year old from what is going on.... Would you rather have a child educated in the harsher aspects of life or an ignorant one who doesn't know anything other than the good parts (and be realistic).

I don't have kids, but I have 5 younger half siblings who were shown R rated movies before they could fully talk. That is wrong. Very wrong, and I am no longer welcome at my Dad / Stepmoms because I told her what I thought of the way she was raising her kids. Seeing a (vaguely) histrotical film at the end of middle school is fine, as long as there is no extremly outlandish content.

In my experience, the sheltered kids are always the ones that end up either dead or pregnant because they know nothing of the consequences of life.

 

[Canai]

Originally posted by: Pause

Originally posted by: waggy

Originally posted by: Pause
What about all the nights (at least 4 nights per week) you've brought strange men into the house late at night and told your daughter it's their new daddy? You think that's better than troy? HUH? DO YOU!!!??? Well I've got news for you OP, it's not.

unless you have proof i would knock it off.

first you call the kid a slut and now this? damn

Stop whining you post counting wh0re. It was yet another joke. I'm bored not just a total d1ck. Unless of course some idiot like you comes on here, takes it seriously, and starts running his mouth over the course of multiple posts within a few minutes of eachother so he can rack up his post count because he has no fvcking life. diaf

stfu n00b