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zinfamous said:
Oh come on--pull that enormous caber out of your ass for once and learn to chuckle. I feel bad for the guy and his family, but seriously:



It answers itself!
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What the fuck do you see here that merits a chuckle? I think you are having a problem with the word deserve. Seriously, this guy deserves to get shot in the head just for a poor decision?
 
Matt1970 said:
What the fuck do you see here that merits a chuckle? I think you are having a problem with the word deserve. Seriously, this guy deserves to get shot in the head just for a poor decision?
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No.
And neither does a woman "deserve" to get raped for dressing like a skank and wandering around shitty night clubs.


BUT, if you act stupid every day, eventually you will get hurt.
I wonder how many times he gave little kids full-auto weapons.


Crocodile Hunter played with dangerous animals every day, sure enough......
Dale Earnhardt raced at 200 miles per hour every day, sure enough........
 
Matt1970 said:
They did it in NY in response to Sandy Hook.
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This is not Sandy Hook and certainly no one in this thread said anything to that effect. He simply pulled that statement out of his ass.

And, while I'm sure there is an idiot or three somewhere out there saying something to that effect, who cares? No one is taking everyone's guns from them for this or pretty much any reason.

Yes, various levels of govt. will continue to tinker with regulations, some of which can be a pain in the ass, but that's about as far as it will ever go.
 
Victorian Gray said:
This is not Sandy Hook and certainly no one in this thread said anything to that effect. He simply pulled that statement out of his ass.

And, while I'm sure there is an idiot or three somewhere out there saying something to that effect, who cares? No one is taking everyone's guns from them for this or pretty much any reason.
Yes, various levels of govt. will continue to tinker with regulations, some of which can be a pain in the ass, but that's about as far as it will ever go.
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Maybe you didn't hear about the NY safe act.
 
Don Vito Corleone said:
I am reminded of the story several years ago where an 8-year-old buy shot himself in the head with an Uzi for the same reason (the muzzle crept up from recoil). http://www.foxnews.com/story/2008/10/27/boy-8-shoots-self-with-uzi-at-gun-show/

I am a gun owner and enjoy shooting. I have no problem with people teaching children to shoot. I do, however, think it's irresponsible and dangerous to put a fully-automatic weapon in the hands of someone who is so physically small and relatively weak. I see little upside to this and it's undeniably dangerous.
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Pretty much sums up my opinion. Start your little ones shooting careers with a bolt action .22 and once safety and skill is mastered then consider moving to more powerful cartridges.
 
Matt1970 said:
Maybe you didn't hear about the NY safe act.
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So there is no more private gun ownership allowed in New York?

I see a lot of regulations regarding the sale and storage of guns and ammo and a specific type of weapon is banned for new ownership but already owned weapons of this type are allowed.

I don't see anything that prevents the private ownership and use of firearms in general.

So, it seems to be pretty much what I wrote to start with.

The SAFE Act includes the following provisions:[6][7]

  • Bans possession of any "high-capacity magazines" regardless of when they were made or sold. The maximum capacity for all magazines is 10 rounds. .22 caliber tubular magazines are exempt from this limit. Previously legal "pre-1994-ban" magazines with a capacity of 30 rounds are not exempt, and must be sold within one year to an out-of-state resident or turned in to local authorities. The magazine limit took effect April 15, 2013.[8][9] Originally the law allowed only seven rounds to be loaded into a magazine, but this provision was struck down by a federal judge on December 21, 2013.[10]

  • Ammunition dealers are required to do background checks, similar to those for gun buyers. Dealers are required to report all sales, including amounts, to the state. Internet sales of ammunition are allowed, but the ammunition will have to be shipped to a licensed dealer in New York state for pickup. Ammunition background checks were scheduled to begin January 15, 2014,[11] but were put on hold indefinitely because the required "seamless" technology that would not inconvenience vendors or customers could not be put in place. The superintendent of state police, charged with creating such technology, is working on development, but a release date is still unknown.[12] So while out-of-state vendors are required to ship ammunition to a NYS licensed dealer, the buyer can still pick it up with no check of any kind required, or walk into any registered ammunition dealer (now required under the act to sell ammunition) and buy ammunition providing he/she is over 18.
  • Requires creation of a registry of assault weapons. Those New Yorkers who already own such weapons would be required to register their guns with the state. Registration began on April 15, 2013 and must be completed before April 15, 2014.[9]
  • Requires designated mental health professionals who believe a mental health patient made a credible threat of harming others to report the threat to a mental health director, who would then have to report serious threats to the state Department of Criminal Justice Services. A patient's gun could be taken from him or her.
  • Stolen guns are required to be reported within 24 hours. Failure to report can result in a misdemeanor.
  • Broadens definition of "assault weapon" from two identified features to one. The sale and/or transfer of newly defined assault weapons is banned within the state, although sales out of state are permitted. Possession of the newly defined assault weapons is allowed only if they were possessed at the time that the law was passed, and must be registered with the state within one year.
  • Requires background checks for all gun sales, including by private sellers - except for sales to members of the seller's immediate family. Private sale background checks began March 15, 2013.[11]
  • Guns must be "safely stored" from any household member who has been convicted of a felony or domestic violence crime, has been involuntarily committed, or is currently under an order of protection.[11] Unsafe storage of assault weapons is a misdemeanor.
  • Bans the Internet sale of assault weapons.
  • Increases sentences for gun crimes, including upgrading the offense for taking a gun on school property from a misdemeanor to a felony.[13]
  • Increases penalties for murdering a first responder (Webster provision) to life in prison without parole.
  • Limits the state records law to protect handgun owners from being identified publicly. However, existing permit holders have to opt into this provision by filing a form within 120 days of the law's enactment.[14] There also may exist issues with respect to "registered" owners in the new regulations vs "permit" holders under previous law.
  • Requires pistol permit holders or owners of registered assault weapons to have them renewed at least every five years.
  • Allows law enforcement officials to pre-emptively seize one's firearms without a warrant or court order when there is probable cause the individual is mentally unstable or intends to use the weapons to commit a crime.[15][16]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NY_SAFE_Act
 
Victorian Gray said:
So there is no more private gun ownership allowed in New York?

I see a lot of regulations regarding the sale and storage of guns and ammo and a specific type of weapon is banned for new ownership but already owned weapons of this type are allowed.

I don't see anything that prevents the private ownership and use of firearms in general.

So, it seems to be pretty much what I wrote to start with.
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Sure, as long as you don't own a gun with any of the banned features. Than you can kiss it goodbye.

http://www.governor.ny.gov/assets/documents/RiflesBannedFeatures.pdf
 
Matt1970 said:
What the fuck do you see here that merits a chuckle? I think you are having a problem with the word deserve. Seriously, this guy deserves to get shot in the head just for a poor decision?
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the rod in your ass seems to be getting wider by the day.

ease up, bro.
 
Matt1970 said:
Sure, as long as you don't own a gun with any of the banned features. Than you can kiss it goodbye.

http://www.governor.ny.gov/assets/documents/RiflesBannedFeatures.pdf
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Does this not cover your point?

"Possession of the newly defined assault weapons is allowed only if they were possessed at the time that the law was passed, and must be registered with the state within one year."

The point is still that private gun ownership still exists and none of what was passed (and, as I understand it, at least in parts of the state, it's simply not enforced) would seem to seriously affect that.
 
zinfamous said:
the rod in your ass seems to be getting wider by the day.

ease up, bro.
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People are far too unthinking with their daily casual references as to why various people 'deserve' to die.

It would seem to indicate a degree of social and individual callousness that I don't believe is healthy.
 
Victorian Gray said:
Does this not cover your point?

"Possession of the newly defined assault weapons is allowed only if they were possessed at the time that the law was passed, and must be registered with the state within one year."

The point is still that private gun ownership still exists and none of what was passed (and, as I understand it, at least in parts of the state, it's simply not enforced) would seem to seriously affect that.
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minus the part where, for no good reason, they made a formerly legal firearm illegal despite its relative lack of use in violent crime.

saying that "private gun ownership still exists [in NY]" is like henry ford saying you can have any color car you want, as long as it's black. since NY arbitrarily changed what can be owned, private gun ownership is not the same as it was a year ago. and what would stop the state legislature from becoming even more restrictive on what firearms may or may not be owned? NY (potentially) turned thousands of otherwise law-abiding citizens into criminals. for what? a feel-good measure from politicians to show that they are supposedly doing something about gun crime. considering how often rifles of any kind are used in violent crime, lawmakers essentially did nothing.

washington DC, in its brilliance, passed a law that made being a gun owner worse than a sex offender. the law required gun owners to register with the local PD every 5 years, and you had to bring your license, get finger printed, etc. that's utterly ridiculous (and thank god it's getting challenged)
 
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Victorian Gray said:
Does this not cover your point?

"Possession of the newly defined assault weapons is allowed only if they were possessed at the time that the law was passed, and must be registered with the state within one year."

The point is still that private gun ownership still exists and none of what was passed (and, as I understand it, at least in parts of the state, it's simply not enforced) would seem to seriously affect that.
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At the very least you have this:

Registration and recertification of grandfathered ownership will be subject to review by the New York State Police for “disqualifiers” which have not yet been defined.

I don't want a law that may or may not be enforced, or left a door as wide open as that for the Police to decide the weapon is disqualified. And what is the point of re-registering it every 5 years? Do you really think this law is going to make you safer?
 
Matt1970 said:
At the very least you have this:

Registration and recertification of grandfathered ownership will be subject to review by the New York State Police for “disqualifiers” which have not yet been defined.

I don't want a law that may or may not be enforced, or left a door as wide open as that for the Police to decide the weapon is disqualified. And what is the point of re-registering it every 5 years? Do you really think this law is going to make you safer?
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No, and I'm not arguing in it's favour. It seems like rather a silly law in many ways. I just don't see it's existence as invalidating my original statements.
 
I find it quite remarkable that no one seems to be bothered, that a kid is using a human shaped target for this, in itself, disturbing activity.

Perhaps an elementary school for professional disposal services could be a profitable venue. All the free publicity - world wide...intriguing
 
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B00ne said:
I find it quite remarkable that no one seems to be bothered, that a kid is using a human shaped target for this, in itself, disturbing activity.

Perhaps an elementary school for professional disposal services could be a profitable venue. All the free publicity - world wide...intriguing
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I have Bush and Cheney targets. It is one of my guilty pleasures practicing on them.
 
Victorian Gray said:
People are far too unthinking with their daily casual references as to why various people 'deserve' to die.

It would seem to indicate a degree of social and individual callousness that I don't believe is healthy.
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well, I still never said anything about the dude deserving to die--in fact, I directly stated that I didn't believe that he deserved death.

My comment was directed elsewhere.
 
When gun owners act irresponsibly and someone gets killed it endangers my right to own guns and pisses me off. The idea that a little girl could fire an Uzi in full auto and it wouldn't cause the gun to jerk in a dangerous way is ridiculous. The impulse from the gun is above the hand causing the gun to twist upwards -- we call this recoil and muzzle rise. A little girl with weak hands and little experience is in no way prepared to handle the recoil and muzzle rise from a semi auto let alone a fully auto Uzi.

Stupid all the way around...


Brian
 
zinfamous said:
well, I still never said anything about the dude deserving to die--in fact, I directly stated that I didn't believe that he deserved death.

My comment was directed elsewhere.
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I understand who said what. You called Matt for 'having a stick up his ass' because someone made a stupid remark about this tragedy and the instructor's death and he thought it was inappropriate and said so.

I felt that your reaction indicated the same thing as the original comment did, a certain callousness that I think people should be reminded of occasionally. I don't think that it's a healthy attitude and this was a general statement to that effect.
 
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