Danny Glover fired by MCI because of his political stance.

[sandorski]

Originally posted by: Dari

Originally posted by: sandorski

Originally posted by: Dari
Looks like some people suspicions here, including mine, have come true.

MCI lands government contract in Iraq.

At least they chose to use GSM, the more common standard in the area(Middle East). I don't think this contract has anything to do with Glover in any way.

my point being that MCI got rid of a potential problem.

Maybe, but from the other recently given contracts I don't think Glover was a liability.

 

[Dari]

Originally posted by: sandorski

Originally posted by: Dari

Originally posted by: sandorski

Originally posted by: Dari
Looks like some people suspicions here, including mine, have come true.

MCI lands government contract in Iraq.

At least they chose to use GSM, the more common standard in the area(Middle East). I don't think this contract has anything to do with Glover in any way.

my point being that MCI got rid of a potential problem.

Maybe, but from the other recently given contracts I don't think Glover was a liability.

The other contracts were not an MCI problem, this one was. And Glover was a potential problem.

 

[GoingUp]

Originally posted by: mrzed
All the frikkin red herrings are piling up so far it's hard to even see the argument.

All those who keep saying Danny Glover is a radical, that he supports Castro, just drop it. It's stupid, you can't provide evidence, and it's irrelevant anyhow.

Classy: while it is true that firing someone for their thoughts (ideas) is wrongful dismissal, that does not apply in this case. He is a public face of this company, and he therefore can be fired if his activities affect the company negatively. There is ample evidence of this happening. If this went to court, all MCI would need to do is trot out the thousands of emails and protest letters. Danny Glover is not suing, do you really think it's because he can't afford a lawyer?

The unfortunate thing is, the dangerous precedent is being set by the american public. You can lay some blame on the media and the administration, but the USA is still a democracy (of sorts), and depends on the complicity/acquiesence/support of at least a reasonable portion of the pubic. Dubya may have started the ball rolling with his "those who are not with us are against us" BS after 09/11, but he didn't have to push very hard.

Yes freedom of speech still technically exists in the USA, but that freedom is meaningless unless it includes views that you don't agree with. All the irate protesters whenever a public figure expresses dissent are also using of freedom of speech, but I can't help feeling that they do not really beleive it at heart. Calling for boycotts and burning albums just doesn't seem like a freedom of speech kind of action, but maybe that's just me.

If I dislike the publicly expressed views of some celebrity, I feel no need to form a protest group. Most of the time I just ignore it. If it particularly offensive to me, I may avoid supporting that person by seeing their movies or buying their music.

You are getting freedom of speech mixed up with acceptance of the message. The latter is not guarenteed in the constitution.

 

[Mill]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Glover was acting as a spokesperson for a company. They relied on his popularity to advertise their product. By voicing an opinion that polarized the public, he put MCI's image at stake. His beliefs and the way he voiced them could have caused (and probably did cause) MCI very real financial harm. If you're making my company lose business, you better believe I can fire you.

It could be that MCI was looking to change Spokespersons anyway (ATT is killing them) and the Reactionay Red Asses jumped on that fact to make it look like they had something to do with it. Just because that asswipe Scarborough claims responsibility for Glovers firing doesn't mean it's true.

Well, the timing certainly was perfect. I guess the "red asses" have the Mission Impossible" thing down pat, huh?

You actually think that "Scarborough Country" was able to scare and intimidate MCI into firing Glover? Maybe if he was a spokesman for Skoal or Pabst Blue Ribbon!

No, I think MCI was flooded with letters, calls and E-mails. Scarborough was not the only medium that spread the word on Glover's outrageous views. You can find dozens and dozens of websites that focus on Glover's activities as well.

Well the NeoNeanderthals have really hurt the DC's career..NOT.
I think being affiliated to MCI was more of a negative to Glover than Glover being associated to MCI was a negative for them. When a Company shows it has no spine and can be swayed by a minority made up of reactionaries it shows that they are desperate.

You call them a minority and reactionary, but you don't really know the true numbers do you? I know that my friend's parents(moderate conservatives) switched to ITC Deltacom from MCI long before Scarborough ever DREAMED of mentioning Glover. Not everyone has to be led along like the three blind mice.

 

[Mill]

Originally posted by: BoberFett

Originally posted by: classy

Opps, I forgot, you only address the issues you THINK give you the upper hand. Why didn't you address the outrageous support of Castro, Classy?

Amused, sigh, poor Amused. This what I said in my very first post

This is a tough one. While Glover sounded like a complete fool, I don't think you can go around and fire people for their personal beliefs, unless those beliefs could lead to physical harm or something. A lot of people disagreed with what we did. Hell we're still trying to find evidence to support what we did. This is also tough because despite our religous, racial, and cultural differences we are all first and foremost AMERICANS. I think the the proper thing that should have been done was not to renew his contract or buy it out and part ways, but firing him was wrong and he'll probably win a court case. While he was again I believe wrong in what he said you can't fire him because of it.

I said he was wrong and I addressed other things as well in my other posts. Trying reading all I posted.

So do you also support Strom Thurmond's right to be a racist?

Classy is a racist himself, so I doubt he wants to share the podium with old Strom.

 

[Amused]

WTF is Castro's newspaper pouring so much praise over him, if Glover didn't support Castro?

Mind you, this is a totalitarian paper. Nothing gets published without Castro's permission and approval.

http://www.granma.cu/ingles/mayo02-5/22danny-i.html

http://www.granma.cu/ingles/diciembre02/vier13/51holly-i.html

And here, on Glover's organization's site, they have nothing but praise for Castro:

http://www.afrocubaweb.com/transafrica.htm#delegation

And in NO report has Glover denied praising Castro, or his policies in totalitarian Cuba. Not once.

So please, If Glover doesn't even deny it, why do you?

 

[classy]

Originally posted by: Millennium

Originally posted by: BoberFett

Originally posted by: classy

Opps, I forgot, you only address the issues you THINK give you the upper hand. Why didn't you address the outrageous support of Castro, Classy?

Amused, sigh, poor Amused. This what I said in my very first post

This is a tough one. While Glover sounded like a complete fool, I don't think you can go around and fire people for their personal beliefs, unless those beliefs could lead to physical harm or something. A lot of people disagreed with what we did. Hell we're still trying to find evidence to support what we did. This is also tough because despite our religous, racial, and cultural differences we are all first and foremost AMERICANS. I think the the proper thing that should have been done was not to renew his contract or buy it out and part ways, but firing him was wrong and he'll probably win a court case. While he was again I believe wrong in what he said you can't fire him because of it.

I said he was wrong and I addressed other things as well in my other posts. Trying reading all I posted.

So do you also support Strom Thurmond's right to be a racist?

Classy is a racist himself, so I doubt he wants to share the podium with old Strom.

LOL You are just a real dumb @ss. As a matter of fact dumb is even too smart for you. All you ever say is classy is a racist. Bottom line is you and Amused are two creeps to me. You 2 are really foul. When I read your posts they are like the rank smell of white supremacists. I told Amused awhile ago what I thought of him and Mill well I think you get my drift. I said in my first post in this instance I part ways but I don't publicly fire the guy. The issues are very clouded at best. So while I agree with his removal I don't agree with the method. Is that clear enuff? Boba, as usual I hope you get hit by a brick, but recover.

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: classy


Bottom line is you and Amused are two creeps to me. You 2 are really foul. When I read your posts they are like the rank smell of white supremacists.

It's a sad, sad day when you accuse people of being white supremacists because they do not agree with your politics, Classy.

Please, point out a single racist thing I've ever said, Classy. Just one.

 

[classy]

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: classy


Bottom line is you and Amused are two creeps to me. You 2 are really foul. When I read your posts they are like the rank smell of white supremacists.

It's a sad, sad day when you accuse people of being white supremacists because they do not agree with your politics, Classy.

Please, point out a single racist thing I've ever said, Classy. Just one.

OMG I don't believe you posted this. You forget about that thread where you and few others really trashed blacks and black neighborhoods? Then you revealed what neighborhoods you make your money in, black neighborhoods. The people are pathetic, but good enuff to feed you. And all your posts have this just funky feel about it. I didn't call you or mill white supremacists. But what I said was your posts have a sheety feel about them . But whats in the well in surely to be in the water that comes from it. And you know what the only reason you two are so adamant in this thread, is one reason and one reason only. Glover is a brother, :sun:

And just for the record, I believe he should have been let go, but not fired. I also think Glover has been hanging around with racists black people to make those comments. Or like Cosby, he has just lost his mind.

 

[Mill]

Originally posted by: classy

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: classy


Bottom line is you and Amused are two creeps to me. You 2 are really foul. When I read your posts they are like the rank smell of white supremacists.

It's a sad, sad day when you accuse people of being white supremacists because they do not agree with your politics, Classy.

Please, point out a single racist thing I've ever said, Classy. Just one.

OMG I don't believe you posted this. You forget about that thread where you and few others really trashed blacks and black neighborhoods? Then you revealed what neighborhoods you make your money in, black neighborhoods. The people are pathetic, but good enuff to feed you. And all your posts have this just funky feel about it. I didn't call you or mill white supremacists. But what I said was your posts have a sheety feel about them . But whats in the well in surely to be in the water that comes from it. And you know what the only reason you two are so adamant in this thread, is one reason and one reason only. Glover is a brother, :sun:

And just for the record, I believe he should have been let go, but not fired. I also think Glover has been hanging around with racists black people to make those comments. Or like Cosby, he has just lost his mind.

Yeah classy you have me pegged. I hate anyone who is black. I give up.

 

[Amused]

Originally posted by: classy

Originally posted by: Amused

Originally posted by: classy


Bottom line is you and Amused are two creeps to me. You 2 are really foul. When I read your posts they are like the rank smell of white supremacists.

It's a sad, sad day when you accuse people of being white supremacists because they do not agree with your politics, Classy.

Please, point out a single racist thing I've ever said, Classy. Just one.

OMG I don't believe you posted this. You forget about that thread where you and few others really trashed blacks and black neighborhoods? Then you revealed what neighborhoods you make your money in, black neighborhoods. The people are pathetic, but good enuff to feed you. And all your posts have this just funky feel about it. I didn't call you or mill white supremacists. But what I said was your posts have a sheety feel about them . But whats in the well in surely to be in the water that comes from it. And you know what the only reason you two are so adamant in this thread, is one reason and one reason only. Glover is a brother, :sun:

And just for the record, I believe he should have been let go, but not fired. I also think Glover has been hanging around with racists black people to make those comments. Or like Cosby, he has just lost his mind.

Classy, I never trashed blacks. You need to understand that all criticism is NOT racism. My criticism was constructive in nature. Never once did I allude to the color of their skin or their genetics being the cause of their problems.

Yes, many of my stores are in lower income mixed neighborhoods. Are you implying I should not do business there? Why? When store owners pull out of lower income neighborhoods, race baiters like you cry "racism!" When we open stores in these same neighborhoods, you cry "RACISM!" again.

On the issue of your claim that I am targeting Glover because he is black:

Gee, Classy, when I made the SAME comments in the Dixie Chicks threads, was I being racist?

When I commented on Micheal Moore's Oscar stupidity, was that racist too?

When I commented on Bab's whining about free speech at the Oscars, was I being a white supremacist?

Get a clue, Classy. The race card is old and tired. Fools like you have worn it out. Go cry wolf somewhere where someone will believe you.

 

[sandorski]

Originally posted by: Amused
WTF is Castro's newspaper pouring so much praise over him, if Glover didn't support Castro?

Mind you, this is a totalitarian paper. Nothing gets published without Castro's permission and approval.

http://www.granma.cu/ingles/mayo02-5/22danny-i.html

http://www.granma.cu/ingles/diciembre02/vier13/51holly-i.html

And here, on Glover's organization's site, they have nothing but praise for Castro:

http://www.afrocubaweb.com/transafrica.htm#delegation

And in NO report has Glover denied praising Castro, or his policies in totalitarian Cuba. Not once.

So please, If Glover doesn't even deny it, why do you?

The first 2 I've read and don't offer much, the last one does get closer to the issue of what Glover thinks of Castro. Now which of Glover's statements do you have issue with? Glover has praised Cuban and Castro's policy concerning persons of African descent, seems to be praise based upon Truth. To extrapolate praise of Racial Equality to some kind of broad support for Castro is disingenuous.

 

[Red Dawn]

No the left are as big as fscktards as the right. Both are a pox on American Society . I do think you maike a valid point lumping the Red Assed Right Wing Reationaries with the Tree Hugging Left Wing Reactionaries. They both suck and in no way represent the American Voter.

 

[erikistired]

that is the greatest thing i've seen in a long time. actually, this whole thread is great. i hope some other celeb (why does it seem to always be a left winger?!?) does or says something stupid soon so we can do this all over again!

 

[ConclamoLudus]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn
No the left are as big as fscktards as the right. Both are a pox on American Society . I do think you maike a valid point lumping the Red Assed Right Wing Reationaries with the Tree Hugging Left Wing Reactionaries. They both suck and in no way represent the American Voter.

hear hear!!!

 

[Regs]

I don't think you can go around and fire people for their personal beliefs, unless those beliefs could lead to physical harm or something

Wrong , wrong, wrong ! This is marketing, it means everything in the business. That's why Glover got that job in the first place, image. Now when he is perceived as a peace keeping extremist who compares American soldiers to terrorist, you tend to have a image problem. You can get fired now for looking at your boss in the wrong way now, you kidding?


However I remain cynical about what the media states. Since I no longer believe the media is a unbiased resort for information .

 

[Bigdude]

Danny Glover is guilty of Treason, and should be hung!

 

[CaptnKirk]

Compared to a horse ?

 

[Red Dawn]

Originally posted by: Bigdude
Danny Glover is guilty of Treason, and should be hung!I spend most of my money on Women, and Booze, the rest I just waste!

You should have spent it on a quality education so you wouldn't have to get all your views from Right Wing Neo Neanderthal News Talk Shows.

 

[UltraQuiet]

Originally posted by: Red Dawn

Originally posted by: Bigdude
Danny Glover is guilty of Treason, and should be hung!I spend most of my money on Women, and Booze, the rest I just waste!

You should have spent it on a quality education so you wouldn't have to get all your views from Right Wing Neo Neanderthal News Talk Shows.

Art Bell?

 

[Moonbeam]

The left and the right are bipolar aspects of insanity. We are all insane. We are like Rodan's thinker turned inward on our selves. To mock and ridicule the left or the right is to be trapped on an endless karmic spin, an endless self eating. To call the left and the right fools is to pretend you are beyond insanity, to refuse to play, just another delusion. The left and the right represent aspects of consciousness struggling for resolution, the yin and yang in bitter warfare. Truth lies not in conquering or refusing battle. Truth lies in the integration of opposites, the collapse of paradox through comprehension, the seeing of the identical and indispensable nature of opposites. On the stones of opposition rests the pyramid?s capstone, the all seeing eye. We are the snake that eats its tail, the uroborus. Good luck.

 

[LunarRay]

I noticed that when you compress the baloon the middle expands and all the little gas thingi group about the middle singing the same hymn. When it is left to its own devices it expands again. It is the natural order of things, I suppose. To be as far away from each other as possible. No covalence there.. me thinks. A uniqueness of sorts in search of harmony in discord... searching, stretching the bounds. The lithium for this bipolar existence, it seems, is found in the observation of the Chimp, our higher order. Our manifest destiny is to evolve beyond our shackles of insanity to a plane of enlightenment and introspection... A world of humor and love.

 

[Moonbeam]

HJ I thought of you when I saw this:

"Mysterium Coniunctionis by C.G.Jung: "In the image of the uroboros (the serpent swallowing its own tail) lies the thought of devouring oneself and turning oneself into a circulatory process... The uroboros is a dramatic symbol for the integration and assimilation of the opposite, i.e., of the shadow...it is said of the uroboros that he slays himself and brings himself to life, fertilizes himself and gives birth to himself."" It's nice to know that I'm not alone in this notion of integration. I have never read Jung. Well I just read that quote.

 

[0roo0roo]

Originally posted by: Medellon
BS, if people want to shoot their mouth off then they should be prepared to suffer the consequences.

 

[LunarRay]

MB,

Jung provides an answer to each question I ever had regarding people types. How and why they is. I've found the hard part is figuring out the truth from the want to be truth in understanding people. The more complex the more hidden and conversely. David Keirsey using the Myers Briggs question format developed a temperment type essay based on the Jungian thinking and I've used it for years. When the sales staff tells you that they will do 25m in gizmos next year I want to know who the customer is and why they will buy. I already know who the salesman is he is ESTJ. It is hard to get folks to admit this or that even when there is no right or wrong, just preference but most want to be seen as this or that. The real talent is in development of the questions.
You'd like Jung assuming you're not Jung on that side we never see..
It could serve as a reafirmation of sorts.... now would you like to sit here and just rest, relax... there ya go.... relax.. relax..... relax....... zzzzzzzzzzzzzzz