Danish cartoonist and g'daughter nearly killed by Islamic whacko.

tvarad

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I feel sorry for this 75 year old man that he has to live his life this way in one of the most free and egalitarian countries in the world. I can understand having a safety bunker in Beirut but in Denmark? It is a telling commentary on the unbridled and crazy immigration policies of the West that put out a welcome mat to any and all kind of people from a unstable country like Somalia without weeding out Islamic crazies like this fellow (for all you know, he could have been the Christmas Day airliner bomber, judging from his background) and at least putting them through some sort of orientation course so that they can be culturally assimilated. Once again, I shake my head in disgust.

Official: Danish police stop attack on cartoonist
 

Jaskalas

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This guy needs to go away for a long long time.

Reactive measures are all I hear about. For every failed attack we aim our sights and condemn the terrorist before our eyes. What of those we do not see? Seems both our gaze and our care escapes them. We have no policy for them, to root them out and prosecute. They continue to roam free unchecked within our lands.

We keep ourselves at risk and they continue to prove the threat is real. In our criminal negligence we are as guilty for their actions as they are. Shame on us that they continue to exist as we sit idly by.
 

Patranus

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So did Bush, he proclaimed it many times.

What is your point? Bush isn't the President of the United States.

Reactive measures are all I hear about. For every failed attack we aim our sights and condemn the terrorist before our eyes. What of those we do not see? Seems both our gaze and our care escapes them. We have no policy for them, to root them out and prosecute. They continue to roam free unchecked within our lands.

We keep ourselves at risk and they continue to prove the threat is real. In our criminal negligence we are as guilty for their actions as they are. Shame on us that they continue to exist as we sit idly by.

We have a mechanism to root them out and prosecute them. It is called racial/religious/national profiling.
 

al981

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What is your point? Bush isn't the President of the United States.

but he was. so what is YOUR point?

if you're dumb enough to piss off a hive of bees, be prepared to deal with the consequences.

he better watch his back. :)
 

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Mark Steyn (a Canadian who was brought in front of the Canadian Human Rights Commission for "insulting" islam) had a good piece of wisdom on this.

...a significant percentage of Muslims in the west do not understand concepts such as pluralism and freedom of expression. A further percentage understand them very well but reject them as loser fetishes incompatible with the requirements of Islamic supremacism - and have a shrewd sense that when, push comes to shove, a lot of these fine liberal concepts crumble to nothing. Is the percentage of Muslims who support Mr Westergaard's right to free expression and the broader principles of intellectual liberty sufficient to make the importation of legions of "27-year old Somalians" a net benefit to Denmark?
 

Craig234

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Reactive measures are all I hear about. For every failed attack we aim our sights and condemn the terrorist before our eyes. What of those we do not see? Seems both our gaze and our care escapes them. We have no policy for them, to root them out and prosecute. They continue to roam free unchecked within our lands.

We keep ourselves at risk and they continue to prove the threat is real. In our criminal negligence we are as guilty for their actions as they are. Shame on us that they continue to exist as we sit idly by.

You're right. We must get rid of black people from the US, for their high crime rates. They walk our cities freely, and the crimes keep adding up. We're as much at fault for allowing it as the criminals.

This is to TRY, however unlikely, to illustrate the crazy mindset that we have to 'do something' to get rid of the least threat from any Muslim. It's just a crazy view fed by 98% of the time 'terrorist' said with 'Muslim'.

What's needed is a peaceful strategy with very limited military use in a FREINDLY policy to the 98% of Muslims who are not part of the problem - yet, unless we push them to it.
 

Patranus

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You're right. We must get rid of black people from the US, for their high crime rates. They walk our cities freely, and the crimes keep adding up. We're as much at fault for allowing it as the criminals.

This is to TRY, however unlikely, to illustrate the crazy mindset that we have to 'do something' to get rid of the least threat from any Muslim. It's just a crazy view fed by 98% of the time 'terrorist' said with 'Muslim'.

What's needed is a peaceful strategy with very limited military use in a FREINDLY policy to the 98% of Muslims who are not part of the problem - yet, unless we push them to it.

There you go, going from one extreme to another.
The fact of the matter is that people fitting a certain profile continue to commit acts of terror and should be scrutinize more so than other groups. Simple as that.
No talks about deporting all of those people.
No talks about putting them in internment camps - like the liberals boy FDR did during WWII.


Alas - The greatest tool law enforcement can use against terrorism cannot be used in the USA because it is "politically incorrect". If American is going to treat terrorism as a law enforcement issue, than it should not be handcuffed by politics.
 

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You're right. We must get rid of black people from the US, for their high crime rates. They walk our cities freely, and the crimes keep adding up. We're as much at fault for allowing it as the criminals.

This is to TRY, however unlikely, to illustrate the crazy mindset that we have to 'do something' to get rid of the least threat from any Muslim. It's just a crazy view fed by 98% of the time 'terrorist' said with 'Muslim'.

What's needed is a peaceful strategy with very limited military use in a FREINDLY policy to the 98% of Muslims who are not part of the problem - yet, unless we push them to it.

I fail to see the connection between black citizens of the United States who commit crimes and foreign enemy terrorists. One group is protected by the Constitution, the other is not. It is interesting that you seem to have an issue with suggesting Muslim's may be terrorists but apparently have no problem associating black people with crime. :eek:
 

Craig234

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Another long post explaining the analogy in detail, using the examples of the US public's attitudes towards German-Americans in contrast to Japanese-Americans to illustrate the point being made about demonizing whole grups of people, was again lost to this lousy editor, where one wrong key clears the post. Oh well.
 

CanOWorms

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one of the most free and egalitarian countries in the world.

hahahahahahaha, good joke! It's almost like you forgot about the supremacist, Nazi-like Danish People's Party's involvement with the governing coalition.
 

CanOWorms

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There you go, going from one extreme to another.
The fact of the matter is that people fitting a certain profile continue to commit acts of terror and should be scrutinize more so than other groups. Simple as that.
No talks about deporting all of those people.
No talks about putting them in internment camps - like the liberals boy FDR did during WWII.


Alas - The greatest tool law enforcement can use against terrorism cannot be used in the USA because it is "politically incorrect". If American is going to treat terrorism as a law enforcement issue, than it should not be handcuffed by politics.

Illegal internment camps to be set up in the Libyan desert were actually a popular topic in Europe about 2 years ago. I don't remember if Denmark supported it though although Germany and Italy both vigorously supported it.
 

Jaskalas

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What's needed is a peaceful strategy with very limited military use in a FREINDLY policy to the 98% of Muslims who are not part of the problem - yet, unless we push them to it.

A people who do not police themselves are the problem. It begins with them for fostering and harboring this hated and intolerance. It ends with us importing it. Neither side does anything to prevent carriers of a foreign, hateful, and intolerant ideology from walking amongst us.

From there we take away our own freedoms in a fake ploy of "protecting" ourselves. The stories of what TSA does is itself a crime against humanity. All for what, so you can have this little game of calling it demonizing when we want to stamp out hatred and intolerance?

I don't particularly care for meddling in their land. I do happen to care what we do with ours and we are quite literally failing to do any god damn thing to stop Islamic terrorism. We’re at best reacting to the situation as it unfolds. There’s nothing proactive being done to stem it at the source and we need a very large and concerted effort on that front.

This war should not be waged in the airport or at a cartoonist’s home. The best defense is a good offense. This needs to be waged in the mosques of our nations. Our Muslim population should take a person like the Danish terrorist and hang them for us. They must be made free of a hateful and intolerant ideology and clings to foreign loyalties. There must be no more attacks from within.

I don’t just want the attacker of this Cartoonist caught. I want him expelled from his Muslim community and brought to us by them. I want a Muslim community that will do that instead of harboring men like him.
 

Chaotic42

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And Obama still thinks Islam is a religion of peace.

Unfortunately religion is *just* the excuse that nut jobs need to hurt people. It has nothing to do with Islam, Christianity, or any other religion. If he wasn't an extremist Muslim, he'd be an extremist Jew, Zoroastrian, or something else.
 

Patranus

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Throwing stones.... The Democrat you attack is doing the same thing the Republican did. Who do you support again?

Again, what is your point?
Who said this had anything to do with Democrats vs. Republicans?
 

tvarad

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You're right. We must get rid of black people from the US, for their high crime rates. They walk our cities freely, and the crimes keep adding up. We're as much at fault for allowing it as the criminals.

This is to TRY, however unlikely, to illustrate the crazy mindset that we have to 'do something' to get rid of the least threat from any Muslim. It's just a crazy view fed by 98% of the time 'terrorist' said with 'Muslim'.

What's needed is a peaceful strategy with very limited military use in a FREINDLY policy to the 98% of Muslims who are not part of the problem - yet, unless we push them to it.

This is the "a crow is black; a cat is black so a cat is a crow" kind of non-argument. The point made here is that a country like Denmark has laws that protect freedom to criticize beliefs. Now a guy in Somalia thinks that his Islamic belief system is beyond criticism. As far as I know, no one brought this Somalian thug into Denmark in chains and it's obvious that it is a larger part of the problem of Islamic intolerance to anything criticizing their belief system. So a guy like this should be weeded out and also anyone immigrating into Denmark should be educated about it's laws and if he or she does not agree with them, then the person should not be allowed into Denmark or any other country with freedom of speech laws. How you extrapolate from that to U.S. crime statistics is beyond belief in itself.

Not all Muslims are terrorists but almost all terrorists are Muslim. You can dance around that statistic all you want but it is the truth. If 98% of Muslims who are not part of the problem are going to be pushed into terrorism because the 2% who are engaging in acts of terrorism, then it reinforces the argument about Islamic intolerance, doesn't it?
 

tvarad

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Unfortunately religion is *just* the excuse that nut jobs need to hurt people. It has nothing to do with Islam, Christianity, or any other religion. If he wasn't an extremist Muslim, he'd be an extremist Jew, Zoroastrian, or something else.

I'll believe that when an extremist Jew, Zoroastrian or something else flies a plane into a building or, as in the latest case, sticks explosives up his a*s and tries to light it up in an airplane with nearly 300 people in it.
 

Craig234

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A people who do not police themselves are the problem.

I might agree with you if you would hold the US accountable ot the same rule.

Want me to list 50 foreign policy aggressions where the US did not police itself?

How about one example I was looking at today, our overthrow of the government in the Dominican Republic in 1965 - based on completely false justification, done for the President's own political needs.

That was a people not policiing themselves as they accepted the lies at face value and the Dominican Republic suffered for the next 3 decades without the US public doing any policing of their own behavior.

It begins with them for fostering and harboring this hated and intolerance. It ends with us importing it. Neither side does anything to prevent carriers of a foreign, hateful, and intolerant ideology from walking amongst us.

There are better ways to beat such a bad ideology than censoring and restricting.

You would benefit from reading a book such as "Devil's Game" for more context on the ideology.

From there we take away our own freedoms in a fake ploy of "protecting" ourselves. The stories of what TSA does is itself a crime against humanity. All for what, so you can have this little game of calling it demonizing when we want to stamp out hatred and intolerance?

The fact that people demonize a group like 'Muslims' for the actions of a small part has nothing to do with our making bad choices on giving up liberties for supposed security.

I said on 9/11 that the most important things was for us not to overreact, and for us to protect our own culture and freedoms. I didn't vote for the guy who didn't follow that advice.

I don't particularly care for meddling in their land. I do happen to care what we do with ours and we are quite literally failing to do any god damn thing to stop Islamic terrorism. We?re at best reacting to the situation as it unfolds. There?s nothing proactive being done to stem it at the source and we need a very large and concerted effort on that front.

We can talk about that - you should first read the book aboive, and then we can talk about what an effictive big effort would be. It ends with friendly relations with the Muslim world, and that world containing terrorists.

It does not end with us having some huge military victory over the region.

This war should not be waged in the airport or at a cartoonist?s home. The best defense is a good offense. This needs to be waged in the mosques of our nations. Our Muslim population should take a person like the Danish terrorist and hang them for us. They must be made free of a hateful and intolerant ideology and clings to foreign loyalties. There must be no more attacks from within.

You know, the Taliban have never had 10% support in Afghanistan. In 1996, Palestinians had 15% support for Islamicists - by 2002, with developments with US and Israel, that was 42%.

I'm not sure you understand the blowback issue - that bin Laqden's reason for 9/11 was to incite the US to overreact in the Muslim world and create enemies of the US who would join him.

He was a marginalized figure not able to more than tiny operations - our reaction fueled terrorism.

I don?t just want the attacker of this Cartoonist caught. I want him expelled from his Muslim community and brought to us by them. I want a Muslim community that will do that instead of harboring men like him.

So do I, and we get that by improving relations with that community, not treating them all like terrorists or exploiting them and putting them under US-friendly tyrannies.
 

Craig234

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I'll believe that when an extremist Jew, Zoroastrian or something else flies a plane into a building or, as in the latest case, sticks explosives up his a*s and tries to light it up in an airplane with nearly 300 people in it.

You're blind to the means not being the issue. Israel has its own means,. the US has is, and the Islamiists have theirs. We have a modern military, Israel has Mossad and settlements, they have homemade bombs.
 

JEDIYoda

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This is the "a crow is black; a cat is black so a cat is a crow" kind of non-argument. The point made here is that a country like Denmark has laws that protect freedom to criticize beliefs. Now a guy in Somalia thinks that his Islamic belief system is beyond criticism. As far as I know, no one brought this Somalian thug into Denmark in chains and it's obvious that it is a larger part of the problem of Islamic intolerance to anything criticizing their belief system. So a guy like this should be weeded out and also anyone immigrating into Denmark should be educated about it's laws and if he or she does not agree with them, then the person should not be allowed into Denmark or any other country with freedom of speech laws. How you extrapolate from that to U.S. crime statistics is beyond belief in itself.

Not all Muslims are terrorists but almost all terrorists are Muslim. You can dance around that statistic all you want but it is the truth. If 98% of Muslims who are not part of the problem are going to be pushed into terrorism because the 2% who are engaging in acts of terrorism, then it reinforces the argument about Islamic intolerance, doesn't it?

very good point. very good point!!
 

tvarad

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You're blind to the means not being the issue. Israel has its own means,. the US has is, and the Islamiists have theirs. We have a modern military, Israel has Mossad and settlements, they have homemade bombs.

And your point is????????

OK, OK. I get your point. So the Somali thug who pulled a knife and an ax on a 75 year Danish cartoonist and his 5 year old granddaughter is because Denmark is occupying Palestine.
 
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The attacker would have likely collected a very large bounty, if successful.