Danish cartoonist and g'daughter nearly killed by Islamic whacko.

[SamurAchzar]

You're blind to the means not being the issue. Israel has its own means,. the US has is, and the Islamiists have theirs. We have a modern military, Israel has Mossad and settlements, they have homemade bombs.

So not having access to advanced weapons is the zeitgeist excuse for specifically targeting civilians, instead of military?
Besides, Iran had F14's when it sent terrorists to bomb Jews in Buenos Aires.

Tell me, Craig, if we took three study groups - one Christian, one Jewish, one Muslim - and compared their acceptance of values like freedom of speech and democracy, what do you think would be the results?

When the blacks rioted in the USA, they did not collectively look for enacting the laws of Africa instead of the constitution, nor did they look to overthrow democracy - and they never took part in acts of terror because of the horrors the British and other colonizers did in Africa. Can you see the difference?

 

[JEDIYoda]

You're blind to the means not being the issue. Israel has its own means,. the US has is, and the Islamiists have theirs. We have a modern military, Israel has Mossad and settlements, they have homemade bombs.

Craig just stop self-owning yourself!!
In this thread as well as the other thread you are so far out of reality you really need to seek out your phychiatrist and iether get your meds adjusted or start taking your meds!!!

 

[IndyColtsFan]

We have a mechanism to root them out and prosecute them. It is called racial/religious/national profiling.

Of course this would help, but we have to be PC, don't we?

 

[IndyColtsFan]

You're right. We must get rid of black people from the US, for their high crime rates. They walk our cities freely, and the crimes keep adding up. We're as much at fault for allowing it as the criminals.

This is to TRY, however unlikely, to illustrate the crazy mindset that we have to 'do something' to get rid of the least threat from any Muslim. It's just a crazy view fed by 98% of the time 'terrorist' said with 'Muslim'.

What's needed is a peaceful strategy with very limited military use in a FREINDLY policy to the 98% of Muslims who are not part of the problem - yet, unless we push them to it.

OK, who mentioned "getting rid" of anyone? What is wrong with using profiling to delve deeper into the background of someone who belongs to a high-risk demographic? I'll tell you what is wrong with it -- nothing. If it helps us focus on groups which have a statistically greater probability of being involved in acts of terrorism, it is something we have to do. Also, as another poster pointed out, another difference here is that US citizens are protected by our Constitution, which does not apply to foreigners.

What sense does it make to invest an equal amount of time screening a 90 year-old grandma from Des Moines as you would invest screening a 20 year-old student from Yemen, for example?

EDIT: tvarad said it nicely in an earlier post: "Not every Muslim is a terrorist, but almost all terrorists are Muslims."

 

[1prophet]

but he was. so what is YOUR point?

if you're dumb enough to piss off a hive of bees, be prepared to deal with the consequences.

he better watch his back.

Freedom of speech occasionally will piss off someones hive, just ask gay rights, civil rights, womens rights activists, some who paid with their lives.

It seems many have forgotten the sacrifices that were made for freedom of speech since most are used to criticizing religions like Christianity, and end up attacking the very freedoms they hold dear in response to a religion that uses the threat of physical force when criticized.

In turn they enable not only the Islamists but right wing extremists who tell the people they have the answer to the problem like banning minarets.

 

[theflyingpig]

Yet more proof of the barbarism of Islam.

 

[Hayabusa Rider]

What is your point? Bush isn't the President of the United States.



We have a mechanism to root them out and prosecute them. It is called racial/religious/national profiling.

We can't profile Muslims.

Instead I suggest we look at acts of terrorism, see if there are any behaviors, traits or appearances which strongly correlate with those who may try to blow up a plane. Don't disregard the possibility that others may do such a thing, but if you have a means to more effectively use your resources based on verifiable data, then go for it.

Can't argue with science right?

 

[woolfe9999]

I don't particularly care for meddling in their land. I do happen to care what we do with ours and we are quite literally failing to do any god damn thing to stop Islamic terrorism.

I think you are vastly over-exaggerating here. If "we are quite literally failing to do any god damn thing" then why have we foiled the vast majority of terrorist plots against the U.S. since 9/11?

- wolf

 

[ProgressiveAthe]

Again we see why religion is a disease, and its followers are a plague of locust, destroying everything in their path.

 

[Patranus]

I think you are vastly over-exaggerating here. If "we are quite literally failing to do any god damn thing" then why have we foiled the vast majority of terrorist plots against the U.S. since 9/11?

- wolf

If by "foiled" you mean a shoe bomber and an underwear bomber screwing up then yes, you are correct.

If by "foiled" you mean capturing a terrorist after he killed 13 people at Fort Hood and spending hundreds of thousands of dollars to save his life then yes, you are correct.

If by "foiled" you mean stopping the murder of an Army recruiter in Little Rock, then yes, you are correct.

(And that is only on American soil, lets not start looking at the events over seas like the USS Cole.)

 

[Zebo]

Another misunderstander of Islam , the religion of peace (TM). Course the irony of drawing Mohammad with a bomb to denote inherent violence and intolerance of the religion and one of his flock reinforcing this violence and intolerance does not escape.

 

[Zebo]

So do I, and we get that by improving relations with that community, not treating them all like terrorists or exploiting them and putting them under US-friendly tyrannies.

Those friendly regimes are the only thing stopping total unification and state jihad against anything not Islamic of Islamic enough - you want to go back to times Europeans could not even settle on their coasts because Barbarossa's raids took whole towns into slavery after killing all men? Not me. You think things are bad now - wait till Muslim Brotherhood is in command of 1.3 billion.

 

[Jaskalas]

I think you are vastly over-exaggerating here. If "we are quite literally failing to do any god damn thing" then why have we foiled the vast majority of terrorist plots against the U.S. since 9/11?

- wolf

Perhaps I need to state this differently to give notice to the few exceptions. The rule however, is that our efforts have been so badly misdirected that we have not stopped Islamic terrorists from living amongst us.

We need to be offensive against them in our own land. We need to bring the fight to their local mosques and wage battle there instead of in our homes, in our airports. They must not make it as far as they currently do.

 

[Zebo]

You're right. We must get rid of black people from the US, for their high crime rates. They walk our cities freely, and the crimes keep adding up. We're as much at fault for allowing it as the criminals.

This is to TRY, however unlikely, to illustrate the crazy mindset that we have to 'do something' to get rid of the least threat from any Muslim. It's just a crazy view fed by 98% of the time 'terrorist' said with 'Muslim'.

What's needed is a peaceful strategy with very limited military use in a FREINDLY policy to the 98% of Muslims who are not part of the problem - yet, unless we push them to it.

Data for 98% please? Every poll I ever see in any country Muslims support Al Qaeda’s objectives at 45-55%: which are to destroy western civilization while converting all people to Muslim at the point of a sword, or kill us if we refuse.
http://www.rferl.org/content/article/1059961.html

The survey also shows that support for Al-Qaeda leader Osama bin Laden has declined markedly in some countries. For example, 49 Moroccans supported bin Laden two years ago. This year, that figure dropped to 26 percent.

In Indonesia, the world most populous Muslim nation, support for bin Laden has also dropped significantly during the past two years.

But the situation in Jordan and Pakistan is different. In Jordan, confidence in bin Laden rose to 60 percent from 55 percent. In Pakistan, 51 percent of those surveyed registered confidence in him, up from 45 percent four years ago.

While it's true maybe only 2% of those supporting, materially and emotionally, become terrorists, church burners and head whackers, that doesn't mean Osama's goals and positions do not find majority support. They do and they should! Slavery, killing infidels, making others of book pay tax, etc are all part and parcel of the faith. I know it, any scholar knows it and any good Muslim knows it.

You're analogy to race is retarded. Islam is not a race but a set of beliefs and practices people of any race are unfortunate enough to 'join.' I say join with quotes because many don't have much choice like the Egyptian Copt girls being kidnapped from their families and not given back after forced conversions and similar around the world.

 

[ProgressiveAthe]

Data for 98% please? Every poll I ever see in any country Muslims support Al Qaeda’s objectives at 45-55%: which are to destroy western civilization while converting all people to Muslim at the point of a sword, or kill us if we refuse.
http://www.rferl.org/content/article/1059961.html


While it's true maybe only 2% of those supporting, materially and emotionally, become terrorists, church burners and head whackers, that doesn't mean Osama's goals and positions do not find majority support. They do and they should! Slavery, killing infidels, making others of book pay tax, etc are all part and parcel of the faith. I know it, any scholar knows it and any good Muslim knows it.

You're analogy to race is retarded. Islam is not a race but a set of beliefs and practices people of any race are unfortunate enough to 'join.' I say join with quotes because many don't have much choice like the Egyptian Copt girls being kidnapped from their families and not given back after forced conversions and similar around the world.

Most muslim either support terrorist or help enable it. A poll done in the UK showed large support among muslim for things like killing people who leave Islam. This is not a religion of peace.

 

[Zebo]

Unfortunately religion is *just* the excuse that nut jobs need to hurt people. It has nothing to do with Islam, Christianity, or any other religion. If he wasn't an extremist Muslim, he'd be an extremist Jew, Zoroastrian, or something else.

Oh really. How is Mr. Umar Farouk Abdulmutallab misinterpreting Islam?

I suggest you read Surah 9, the second to last and thus one of the most important in Qur'an.

http://www.usc.edu/schools/college/crcc/engagement/resources/texts/muslim/quran/009.qmt.html

Might help explain. A lot.

while you're at it wiki Mo - see all the battles him and his successors engaged in - ruling half the world within 100 shorts years.

 

[Rainsford]

If finding examples of adherents of a religion who are violent is enough to declare the religion itself violent, I'd say a good start to promoting peace around the world would be to lock up all religious people, wouldn't you say?

This thread is bigotry dressed up as practicality, plain and simple.

 

[Rainsford]

If by "foiled" you mean a shoe bomber and an underwear bomber screwing up then yes, you are correct.

If by "foiled" you mean capturing a terrorist after he killed 13 people at Fort Hood and spending hundreds of thousands of dollars to save his life then yes, you are correct.

If by "foiled" you mean stopping the murder of an Army recruiter in Little Rock, then yes, you are correct.

(And that is only on American soil, lets not start looking at the events over seas like the USS Cole.)

Foiled is the wrong word..."failed" is more like it. If THAT is the threat to our freedom, I won't have any problems sleeping soundly tonight.

Edit: I feel like our way of life has way more to fear from you idiots wanting to go after Muslims than it does from Islamic terrorism.

 

[JEDIYoda]

If finding examples of adherents of a religion who are violent is enough to declare the religion itself violent, I'd say a good start to promoting peace around the world would be to lock up all religious people, wouldn't you say?But I will say that this statement you made is a very nieve and well just plain stoopid statement!



This thread is bigotry dressed up as practicality, plain and simple.

umm....actually no it`s not at all!

I don`t see Budhist monks or for that matter conservative christians strapping explosive devices to family and friends and sending them out to blow up innocent people.....
Why is it that these people are the only ones to do this????hmmmmm

 

[JEDIYoda]

If finding examples of adherents of a religion who are violent is enough to declare the religion itself violent, I'd say a good start to promoting peace around the world would be to lock up all religious people, wouldn't you say?But I will say that this statement you made is a very nieve and well just plain stoopid statement!



This thread is bigotry dressed up as practicality, plain and simple.umm....actually no it`s not at all!

I don`t see Budhist monks or for that matter conservative christians strapping explosive devices to family and friends and sending them out to blow up innocent people.....
Why is it that these people are the only ones to do this????hmmmmm

 

[Patranus]

Foiled is the wrong word..."failed" is more like it. If THAT is the threat to our freedom, I won't have any problems sleeping soundly tonight.

Edit: I feel like our way of life has way more to fear from you idiots wanting to go after Muslims than it does from Islamic terrorism.

What does having the government give an extra little look at those flying into this country and fit a certain criteria have to do with threatening our way of life.

Liberals/Democrats have done much worse than this, in fact, they resorted the internment camps during WWII, something I am strongly against.

 

[tvarad]

If finding examples of adherents of a religion who are violent is enough to declare the religion itself violent, I'd say a good start to promoting peace around the world would be to lock up all religious people, wouldn't you say?

This thread is bigotry dressed up as practicality, plain and simple.

For the umpteenth time, if Christian or Buddhist or Jewish nutcases plotted to bring down planes with hundreds of people in them with bombs in their underwear or flew planes into buildings killing thousands of people, you can bet that those religions would also get the same scrutiny as Islam, so you have no analogy here and your conclusion is baseless.

 

[Corn]

Another long post explaining the analogy in detail, using the examples of the US public's attitudes towards German-Americans in contrast to Japanese-Americans to illustrate the point being made about demonizing whole grups of people, was again lost to this lousy editor, where one wrong key clears the post. Oh well.

Just another in a long line of reasons that Sony kicks ass. Without a grammatical/spell checker, your recent posts expose more than you fear.

 

[Corn]

You're blind to the means not being the issue. Israel has its own means,. the US has is, and the Islamiists have theirs. We have a modern military, Israel has Mossad and settlements, they have homemade bombs.

Classic! "But Israel......."

Every day I am more certain you and Dave Mcowen were seperated at birth.

 

[ShawnD1]

I don`t see Budhist monks or for that matter conservative christians strapping explosive devices to family and friends and sending them out to blow up innocent people.....
Why is it that these people are the only ones to do this????hmmmmm

Don't be embarrassed, not everyone knows how to use google.

Buddhist violence and terrorism
Sri Lanka is rife with Buddhist terrorism.

Christian terrorism
UK seems to have the biggest problem with Christian terrorist groups. Protestants vs Catholics in Ireland is big.

Hindu terrorism

Christian terrorism in the US