Daniel Holtzclaw cries like a bitch

[momeNt]

I can understand how cops find it difficult to see a brother in arms cry like that during sentencing for offenses and abuses that those loyal would have helped cover up. No matter what your friend, or in police and armed forces terminology, your brother, has done, there is still a level of loyalty there that must have made it incredibly difficult to hear the verdict.

My thoughts and prayers go out to the OKC PD. You lost a brother that day.

 

[HamburgerBoy]

I can understand how cops find it difficult to see a brother in arms cry like that during sentencing for offenses and abuses that those loyal would have helped cover up. No matter what your friend, or in police and armed forces terminology, your brother, has done, there is still a level of loyalty there that must have made it incredibly difficult to hear the verdict.

My thoughts and prayers go out to the OKC PD. You lost a brother that day.

lol, actual bloodline nepotism is bad enough. If you're saying that police officers literally see each other like family then it's a sign of how fucked up the police system is and how far they would go to protect each other when they commit illegal acts.

 

[MajinCry]

Why let the guy live? Off with his head. Both of them.

Something tells me that he isn't going to live to see two and a half centuries. Get's the job done quick, removes an evil monster from society, and saves the taxpayer a butt load of money.

 

[DrDoug]

I tripped across this and am wondering why he has disappeared from their database? Why are they hiding him and how do the victims know where he is? The latest info they have on him is that he was transferred and his location is unknown.

 

[MongGrel]

I tripped across this and am wondering why he has disappeared from their database? Why are they hiding him and how do the victims know where he is? The latest info they have on him is that he was transferred and his location is unknown.

Weird. In an interesting way.

 

[MagickMan]

Not defending Holtzclaw here, but joking about or advocating prison rape is absolutely vile.

I've always thought that was pretty fucked up, people that behave that way aren't much better than the perps. Both are trash.

 

[GagHalfrunt]

Not defending Holtzclaw here, but joking about or advocating prison rape is absolutely vile.

I believe that the punishment should fit the crime. A rapist gives up the right to scream "No! no! Don't do that to me!!!" Let everyone in the prison that wants a turn have a turn.

 

[Ackmed]

Why let the guy live? Off with his head. Both of them.

Something tells me that he isn't going to live to see two and a half centuries. Get's the job done quick, removes an evil monster from society, and saves the taxpayer a butt load of money.

Couldn't agree more. He does not deserve to live, and will cost a fortune of tax payers money to keep alive for a life sentence.

 

[soulcougher73]

Death penalty for non-capital crimes?

263 years is a death penalty. Get it over with and free the tax payer burden i say. And cheaply too. Hang him for $5 i rope or so

 

[Blackjack200]

I believe that the punishment should fit the crime. A rapist gives up the right to scream "No! no! Don't do that to me!!!" Let everyone in the prison that wants a turn have a turn.

What purpose does that serve? Does that unrape the women he assaulted? Our society does not condone vengeance, nor should it. He will be punished by living the rest of his life in a prison cell, society will be protected.

 

[Blackjack200]

263 years is a death penalty. Get it over with and free the tax payer burden i say. And cheaply too. Hang him for $5 i rope or so

Why let this monster turn us into monsters ourselves? This isn't about him, it's about us and the kind of society we want to be.

When we detain people for decades in Guantanamo Bay without a trial, and force food down their throats, when we look the other way when prisoners are raped. When we inject people with sodium thiopental, we destroy our own humanity.

 

[MajinCry]

He will be punished by living the rest of his life in a prison cell, society will be protected.

Unless he escapes. Or is let off two centuries early due to under-the-table skulduggery.

Besides, society wasn't protected; he already committed the rapes. Protecting society would have been to prevent them from occurring.

And he's getting off lightly; he gets a bed, three meals, won't have to worry about rent nor having to worry about his paycheck running out. As well as ample time to masturbate over his memories of raping the women.

 

[Blackjack200]

Unless he escapes. Or is let off two centuries early due to under-the-table skulduggery.

If he was released two centuries early he'd be 92 years old.

Besides, society wasn't protected; he already committed the rapes. Protecting society would have been to prevent them from occurring.

Yes, and a good start to that would be to completely change the way police interact with the public. This kind of abuse is only one example of the many problems we have with everything from excessive incarceration to asset seizure. Brutalizing this guy accomplishes nothing.

And he's getting off lightly; he gets a bed, three meals, won't have to worry about rent nor having to worry about his paycheck running out. As well as ample time to masturbate over his memories of raping the women.

And this is exactly the kind of attitude that leads to abuse within prisons, from prison rape to forcing prisoners to pay for basic supplies like soap, and usurious fees for phone calls.

 

[soulcougher73]

Why let this monster turn us into monsters ourselves? This isn't about him, it's about us and the kind of society we want to be.

When we detain people for decades in Guantanamo Bay without a trial, and force food down their throats, when we look the other way when prisoners are raped. When we inject people with sodium thiopental, we destroy our own humanity.

I don't feel like a monster when criminals get executed. To some its justice for their crime. So they feel good about it. Not in a throw a party feel good, but that justice was served kinda good.

Other people love criminals/murders. I'm not one of them.

 

[MajinCry]

And this is exactly the kind of attitude that leads to abuse within prisons, from prison rape to forcing prisoners to pay for basic supplies like soap, and usurious fees for phone calls.

Won't somebody please think of the rapists!?

If the guy just stole a pack of pencils and was incarcerated for two and a half centuries, yeah, I'd be with you.

But this guy is a rapist that preyed upon disadvantaged women. He sufferes? Good. Let him indulge in the same pain, terror and agony he wrought when he was free.

 

[Blackjack200]

I don't feel like a monster when criminals get executed. To some its justice for their crime. So they feel good about it. Not in a throw a party feel good, but that justice was served kinda good.

Other people love criminals/murders. I'm not one of them.

You've decided that this criminal/murderer is now beneath your concern, and worthy of brutal punishment.

I wonder if he made a similar calculation when he decided to rape those women?

He sufferes? Good.

That's worthy of some serious self reflection.

 

[soulcougher73]

You've decided that this criminal/murderer is now beneath your concern, and worthy of brutal punishment.

I wonder if he made a similar calculation when he decided to rape those women?

I didnt say subject him to brutal punishment. I dont want him tortured. Just ended as painlessly and efficiently as possible

 

[MajinCry]

You've decided that this criminal/murderer is now beneath your concern, and worthy of brutal punishment.

I wonder if he made a similar calculation when he decided to rape those women?

Far as I'm aware, those women didn't go around raping, nor did he rape them because they were raping.

Come on man. If you're going to try and start a moral argument, keep it consistent.

That's worthy of some serious self reflection.

You're right.

Suffers*

 

[SP33Demon]

Would be interesting to hear the OP's opinion on Bill Cosby because his victims don't even know what he did to them. And most were also too scared/confused to even get rape kits done.

 

[GagHalfrunt]

What purpose does that serve? Does that unrape the women he assaulted? Our society does not condone vengeance, nor should it. He will be punished by living the rest of his life in a prison cell, society will be protected.

By that ridiculous unlogic it's pointless to punish any violent crime as it does not make the victim whole.

Tell you what, let's just strap this guy down, give his victims a collection of giant dildos and let them decide whether his suffering somehow helps them. Why do you deserve to make the call on what they need for closure? Only they can determine that.

 

[soulcougher73]

By that ridiculous unlogic it's pointless to punish any violent crime as it does not make the victim whole.

Tell you what, let's just strap this guy down, give his victims a collection of giant dildos and let them decide whether his suffering somehow helps them. Why do you deserve to make the call on what they need for closure? Only they can determine that.

Frontier justice. I like it

 

[Blackjack200]

Far as I'm aware, those women didn't go around raping, nor did he rape them because they were raping.

Come on man. If you're going to try and start a moral argument, keep it consistent.

The point is that both calculations begin with dehumanization. If we decide that murderers are no longer human, and rapists are no longer human, are domestic abusers human? At which point is a crime mild enough that we can treat the perp with basic human dignity?

What would you like the CJS to accomplish? Create a safe, free society and prevent as much crime as possible? Or exact revenge for every wrong that causes harm?

 

[soulcougher73]

The point is that both calculations begin with dehumanization. If we decide that murderers are no longer human, and rapists are no longer human, are domestic abusers human? At which point is a crime mild enough that we can treat the perp with basic human dignity?

What would you like the CJS to accomplish? Create a safe, free society and prevent as much crime as possible? Or exact revenge for every wrong that causes harm?

I think you probably hit the big 2. Murder and rape. Other crimes we can punish with prison/jail time etc.

 

[Blackjack200]

By that ridiculous unlogic it's pointless to punish any violent crime as it does not make the victim whole.

No, it's really not. You punish crime to signal that a given behavior will not be sanctioned by society, and deter others from acting similarly. Not to provide vengeance for the victim.

If someone punches you in the face, the judge will not give you a free shot on his chops to even it up. He will hand down a sentence calculated (rightly or wrongly) to punish the use of violence and deter others from violence.

Tell you what, let's just strap this guy down, give his victims a collection of giant dildos and let them decide whether his suffering somehow helps them. Why do you deserve to make the call on what they need for closure? Only they can determine that.

No need to bring your fantasies into the forum.

 

[Blackjack200]

I think you probably hit the big 2. Murder and rape. Other crimes we can punish with prison/jail time etc.

So if I maim and torture a person for a week in a dungeon I can be treated humanely by society, as long as I don't stick my dick in his ass? Is that what you're saying?