Damn westerners and their creationism.

[Zebo]

Religion is simply another example of human arrogance. Whether you are Christian, Muslim, Jewish, etc., you have to be pretty damn arrogant to think you've figured out the mysteries of the universe through your "faith" when your religion in its entirety is merely a speck on the cosmic time-line (just like the countless dead religions before it). More correctly, humanity as a whole is simply a speck, and religion is a silly set of stories used to comfort feeble minds who can't come to terms with their own mortality.

At least atheists and non-theists have the humility to realize we don't know everything, and all we do know is what we can scientifically prove.

What do you mean? A Man came down from the sky and told them this stuff. Those dudes, always alone, no witnesses, in the desert (probably dehydrated and having hallucinations) are called prophets (sp) and come out from cave, start talking and everyone believes them. LOL

 

[Ancalagon44]

I love seeing cognitive dissonance in Christians - how they resolve it so easily with phrases like "God knows best", "Who are we to question Him?" and "He knows whats best for us."

I mean, NinjaTech illustrated it perfectly a few pages ago. First God never killed nor commanded anyone to kill. It was just how things were back in the day. Then he tacitly admitted that God had killed, but that he had killed sinners and disbelievers so it was okay. And Jesus paid the price (but got resurrected anyway - what was the point again?) so God didnt have to kill anyone. This of course ignores the fact that, as the supreme being, he has the final say on punishment, so saying he required his own sin to die so he would stop punishing us is, IMHO, a little weird. Kid with a magnifying glass?

But then the issues of the flood, Sodom and Gomorrah get raised, and of course suddenly even a newborn child who was in the wrong place must have been evil. Justification after the fact, anyone? Oh the Iraqis might not have actually had WMDs, but they sure wanted them, oh yes. So the concept of original sin was invented to explain how otherwise innocent children can be so damn wicked and evil.

Amazing what the human mind will do to cope with contradictions.

 

[BurnItDwn]

What a bunch of maroons.
This is the correct factual course of events that resulted in the creation of the human race.


When Odin and his brothers killed the giant, Ymir, his corpse was made into the universe.
They used his flesh to create earth, his blood became the sea. In order to make the sky, they tasked the dwarves Nordri, Sudri, Austri, and Vestri to lift and hold up his skull. The gods then made the sun and the stars using Muspelheim. Midgard was then created out of Ymir's eyebrows.

The giant ash Yggdrasill supported the universe. It's roots connecting all 9 worlds together.

Anyhow, after Odin, Hoenir, and Lodur created Midgard, they worked on the creation of the human race. They used two tree trunks and created the first man and woman, Askr and Embla, out of wood. Each god gave them something. Odin gave them breathing. Hoenir gave them understanding and spirit. And Lodur gave them senses and appearance.

 

[MJinZ]

What a bunch of maroons.
This is the correct factual course of events that resulted in the creation of the human race.


When Odin and his brothers killed the giant, Ymir, his corpse was made into the universe.
They used his flesh to create earth, his blood became the sea. In order to make the sky, they tasked the dwarves Nordri, Sudri, Austri, and Vestri to lift and hold up his skull. The gods then made the sun and the stars using Muspelheim. Midgard was then created out of Ymir's eyebrows.

The giant ash Yggdrasill supported the universe. It's roots connecting all 9 worlds together.

Anyhow, after Odin, Hoenir, and Lodur created Midgard, they worked on the creation of the human race. They used two tree trunks and created the first man and woman, Askr and Embla, out of wood. Each god gave them something. Odin gave them breathing. Hoenir gave them understanding and spirit. And Lodur gave them senses and appearance.

And then the Goauld came and enslaved all humanity.

 

[BurnItDwn]

And then the Goauld came and enslaved all humanity.

No, that's SG1, which, while a fantastic story, is fiction. I am of course talking about the nonfictional norse factology!

 

[Juddog]

What a bunch of maroons.
This is the correct factual course of events that resulted in the creation of the human race.


When Odin and his brothers killed the giant, Ymir, his corpse was made into the universe.
They used his flesh to create earth, his blood became the sea. In order to make the sky, they tasked the dwarves Nordri, Sudri, Austri, and Vestri to lift and hold up his skull. The gods then made the sun and the stars using Muspelheim. Midgard was then created out of Ymir's eyebrows.

The giant ash Yggdrasill supported the universe. It's roots connecting all 9 worlds together.

Anyhow, after Odin, Hoenir, and Lodur created Midgard, they worked on the creation of the human race. They used two tree trunks and created the first man and woman, Askr and Embla, out of wood. Each god gave them something. Odin gave them breathing. Hoenir gave them understanding and spirit. And Lodur gave them senses and appearance.

Obligatory:

 

[flexy]

I have said it once before and I will say it again. Religion has done no good for society and constantly holds us back. It is thing of the dark ages and should be banished from the society and its followers should be removed if they refuse to wake up to reality.

I agree fully with you, but there is a problem.

it actually has been tried already a few times, eg. in communist countries.
Didnt make their society better, AT ALL.

The problem is really not religion "per se", but stupidity of people in general. (On CNN i just read that "witch craft" child murders in Africa are one the rise, just as a side-note...)

Regardless of the existence of whatever religion, man will always (i think) in some way organize and try to suppress "the others" - religion is one way to do it but its not exclusive.

 

[PlasmaBomb]

I hope you're being sarcastic, because that mindset is possibly even worse than that of the people that supposedly need to be "[wiped] all off the face of this planet".

For someone who has supposedly been around since 2007 you sure don't know much...

🙂

 

[PlasmaBomb]

It doesn't matter...we need to stop the spread of The Stupid now.

The Stupid seems to be highly contagious with no known cure!

 

[PlasmaBomb]

Bible = a collection of "Pagan" stories, often edited to suite local flavours.

I love teh story of Mithras Jesus!

 

[PlasmaBomb]

NEVER, does the bible COMMAND mass murder or slavery. You ever hear the commandment, "Do not kill."? It's one of the 10 commandments.

Actually it's not, the commandment is Thou shalt not murder, since the original Hebrew word was ratsah.

E Pluribus Unum was the official motto of the United States for far longer than In God We Trust...

 

[AnitaPeterson]

I agree fully with you, but there is a problem.

it actually has been tried already a few times, eg. in communist countries.
Didnt make their society better, AT ALL.

Just want to point this out - as someone who has lived in one of those countries, I can assure you that the lack of religion was NOT one of the things that led to collapse. It was bad leaders and general stupidity. As a corollary, the fact that the people in that country live a bit better now is definitely not due to the fact that they built churches like mad (over 10,000 in 20 years) to make up for the time lost under Communism. Actually, they would probably live better if they didn't have an inflation of churches and religious hysteria, but that's just my assessment.

 

[geno]

Ignored.

So it's that easy to get under your skin...

 

[meltdown75]

i wouldn't worry about anything making our country "look dumb as heck". not when we have you here, playing ambassador all the damn time.

 

[SoCalAznGuy]

Everyone that has ever been influenced to live outside of his self-pleasuring nature because of his love of Jesus. Everyone that has ever lived above his self-destructive nature, because of faith in Christ. Everyone that has loved his fellow man more than he has loved himself, because of his hope in the Lord.

anyone who has ever been exposed to these teachings and taken them to heart (see Gandhi, Martin Luther King Jr and Mr. T):

If anyone strikes you on the right cheek, turn to him the other also; and if anyone would sue you and take your coat, let him have your cloak as well; and if anyone forces you to go one mile, go with him two miles. Mt 5:39b-41

Everyone who exalts himself will be humbled, and he who humbles himself will be exalted. (Lk 14:11)

There is nothing outside a person, which by going into him can defile him; but the things which come out of a person are what defile him. (Mk 7:15)

“You have heard that it was said, ‘You shall love your neighbor and hate your enemy.’ But I say to you, Love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you….”
—Matthew 5:43-44

let your yes be yes, your no be no . . . (Mt 5:34f)

“No one can serve two masters, for either he will hate the one and love the other, or he will be devoted to the one and despise the other. You cannot serve God and money.
—Matthew 6:24

Judge not, that you be not judged. For with the judgment you pronounce you will be judged, and with the measure you use it will be measured to you. Why do you see the speck that is in your brother’s eye, but do not notice the log that is in your own eye? Or how can you say to your brother, ‘Let me take the speck out of your eye,’ when there is the log in your own eye? You hypocrite, first take the log out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to take the speck out of your brother’s eye. ”
—Matthew 7:1-5

“Teacher, which is the great commandment in the Law?” And he said to him, “You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind. This is the great and first commandment. And a second is like it: You shall love your neighbor as yourself. On these two commandments depend all the Law and the Prophets.”
—Matthew 22:34-40


The theory is sound, it is the practitioner that fails in its application. The last quote is of particular importance, the teachings of Christ require that we view all of the bible as hinging on the importance of loving God and loving our fellow man.

Both people then and now don't do that, see homophobes, but that doesn't change the fact that the basic teaching of Christ is that all scripture is dependent on understanding it is only to be used for loving God and loving one-another.

I got some bible versus too.

Mathew 10:34-37:

Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword. For I am come to set a man at variance against his father, and the daughter against her mother, and the daughter in law against her mother in law. And a man's foes shall be they of his own household. He that loveth father or mother more than me is not worthy of me: and he that loveth son or daughter more than me is not worthy of me.

Here we see Jesus say we has come to wage war and violence even between family members.

Mathew 25:41:

Then shall he say also unto them on the left hand, Depart from me, ye cursed, into everlasting fire, prepared for the devil and his angels.

Here we see Jesus threaten those who won’t grovel at his feet with everlasting torture.

Mark 4:11-12

And he said unto them, Unto you it is given to know the mystery of the kingdom of God: but unto them that are without, all these things are done in parables: That seeing they may see, and not perceive; and hearing they may hear, and not understand; lest at any time they should be converted, and their sins should be forgiven them.

Here we see Jesus explaining that he speaks in Parables so people will be confused and not saved. In other words, he wants people to burn in hell.

Mark 7:9-10

And he said unto them, Full well ye reject the commandment of God, that ye may keep your own tradition. For Moses said, Honour thy father and thy mother; and, Whoso curseth father or mother, let him die the death:

Here we see Jesus lecturing a couple who failed to go through with biblical law of killing their disobedient child. Jesus actually is upset the child was put to death.

First John 2:15

Love not the world, neither the things that are in the world. If any man love the world, the love of the Father is not in him.

Here Jesus/God commands his followers to hate the world.

Second John 1:10

If there come any unto you, and bring not this doctrine, receive him not into your house, neither bid him God speed:

Here we see God commanding people to hate the non believers and treat them with ill will.

 

[Lizardman]

Where do you think the golden rule comes from? Do you even know what the golden rule is? Ever hear of a book called the bible? Christianity is the opposite of immorality.

I have to say your statement is classic. Not only did you express your ignorance but you supported your ignorance in the same statement. Do you have brain damage? 😀

I do and so does Sam Harris. Take a look

http://www.ted.com/talks/lang/eng/sam_harris_science_can_show_what_s_right.html

 

[Jeff7]

I love seeing cognitive dissonance in Christians - how they resolve it so easily with phrases like "God knows best", "Who are we to question Him?" and "He knows whats best for us."
...
Amazing what the human mind will do to cope with contradictions.

Don't forget the red mouseover button.

 

[NikolaeVarius]

You guys are all Heretics. The only true God is the God Emperor himself. He took died to save us and spends an eternity locked to the Golden Throne in order to preserve our way of life.

May the inquisition come upon this thread with the hammer of the Imperium and purge it with holy fire

 

[guyver01]

i can prove god does not exist.

what kind of god would allow a harmless duck to be covered in sludge?

did these ducks deserve to die? what "sin" did they commit?

some god you believe in. 🙄

 

[Babbles]

i can prove god does not exist.

what kind of god would allow a harmless duck to be covered in sludge?

did these ducks deserve to die? what "sin" did they commit?

some god you believe in. 🙄

I consider myself an open-minded non-theistic person, but I do find your argumentative "proof" as pretty tool-ish and weak. There are probably many better arguments to be made against some aspect of a faith or religion you disagree with besides demonstrating how mankind exercises free-will to muck things up.

 

[Jeff7]

I consider myself an open-minded non-theistic person, but I do find your argumentative "proof" as pretty tool-ish and weak. There are probably many better arguments to be made against some aspect of a faith or religion you disagree with besides demonstrating how mankind exercises free-will to muck things up.

Definitely.
A good example: Natural disasters - stuff like tsunamis, earthquakes, tornados, hurricanes, and so on. That stuff's entirely beyond our control. (Assuming that you ignore the psychotic nutjobs who call that stuff "punishment" for petty transgressions. In that case, I'd call this god an utter menace - sin a bit, and he will kill you, and a few thousand other people, just for good measure. Good thing parents don't follow that fine example. First time you wet the bed = death to you, and to a classroom of your friends, to really get the point across.)

Natural disasters would presumably be under the control of an all-powerful creator entity, either through direct causation, or through really poor design.

So the situation we've got is that there's an all-powerful, all-knowing entity creates a planet where something can occasionally go wrong, resulting in the death of many thousands of his allegedly beloved creations - and yet this i somehow not at odds with the nothing that this being is all-powerful, all-knowing, and all-loving. And of course then people pray for relief from this very same deity after the severe devastation has occurred.

That's not my idea of a benevolent entity. That's my idea of a cruelly sadistic entity - to know that there is a disaster approaching (or even to serve as the cause of it), and to have the power to do something about it, but then sit back and just watch it happen.

 

[sandorski]

Definitely.
A good example: Natural disasters - stuff like tsunamis, earthquakes, tornados, hurricanes, and so on. That stuff's entirely beyond our control. (Assuming that you ignore the psychotic nutjobs who call that stuff "punishment" for petty transgressions. In that case, I'd call this god an utter menace - sin a bit, and he will kill you, and a few thousand other people, just for good measure. Good thing parents don't follow that fine example. First time you wet the bed = death to you, and to a classroom of your friends, to really get the point across.)

Natural disasters would presumably be under the control of an all-powerful creator entity, either through direct causation, or through really poor design.

So the situation we've got is that there's an all-powerful, all-knowing entity creates a planet where something can occasionally go wrong, resulting in the death of many thousands of his allegedly beloved creations - and yet this i somehow not at odds with the nothing that this being is all-powerful, all-knowing, and all-loving. And of course then people pray for relief from this very same deity after the severe devastation has occurred.

That's not my idea of a benevolent entity. That's my idea of a cruelly sadistic entity - to know that there is a disaster approaching (or even to serve as the cause of it), and to have the power to do something about it, but then sit back and just watch it happen.

Add-in Free Will, but if you do anything in this List you will be Tortured for Eternity!

lolwut? Methinks you don't know what Free Will is.

 

[zinfamous]

No, definitely not but when this country was created the first colonists the Puritans based the laws and standards of living on Christian views.

I'll stop after your first comment. The Jamestown settlement predates the arrival of the Puritans by nearly 100 years.

Also, the city of St Augustines in Fla predates the puritans. And it is still running.

You should also realize that the Puritans were roundly kicked out of Europe. Only the Dutch would tolerate them for the final few years--I mean, they are the Dutch. But even in Amsterdam they wore out their welcome.

Shit man, what the hell do you have to do piss off the Dutch?

 

[zinfamous]

I would encourage you to leave JediYoda alone. Didn't your mom tell you that it's not nice to pick on the less fortunate?

Guy has a few clams blocking his neurons. arguing with him will simply get no one anywhere.

 

[RocksteadyDotNet]

If God in omnipotent then why did he need to send Jesus to die for our sins? If you're all powerful you can just go "Your sins are forgiven!".

It just doesn't make any sense.

I know you shouldn't bring logic into a religious debate, but hey.