Damn westerners and their creationism.

[RSaylors]

For a theory of god in the generic sense, this is true. However for a specific god with a well constrained, assigned history, contradictions with evolutionary theory come fast and hard.

The tension is only a matter of taste, some prefer to have their constructs built on empirical evidence, deductively derived; others are willing to trade deduction for induction and falsifiability for general explanatory power.

Economists will often use a 'best fit' model in multiple regression and take on faith that there is theory to explain it (an example is freekanomics). Bio-Physicists, too, will take Bayesian logic and apply it to support vector machines and apply the concept to many data. On the other hand, behaviorist psychologists will take a set of preconceptions, make their observations based on those conceptions, and move forward with a functional treatment (this is the only functional way to help people with autism). So too will someone of faith look at his life through the social-psychological construct of faith and make decisions that step outside of his own hedonistic desires and do something truly loving for his fellow man.

Every one of these people falls somewhere on the falsifiability/explanatory-power scale and the functional outcome of the theory can be used to judge the likely validity of the theory. Similarly, there are people who fail to apply the theory properly for their own gain and tell others to do the same (maybe not bio-physics.. yet). But the misapplication of the theory does not disprove the value of the theory, only the limitations of the practitioner.

 

[sandorski]

Have you ever read the bible or do you just randomly make references to things you are clueless about?

The people of that land were called Canaanites.The Canaanites were so evil that they sacrificed children to a pagan god named Gezer. Two of the most well known places of that land were called Sodom and Gomorrah. So many horrible things were happening in Sodom and Gomorrah that the angel of the Lord said, “the outcry against Sodom and Gomorrah is so great and their sin is so grievous that I will go down and see if what they have done is as bad as the outcry that has reached me.” Genesis 18:20-21

Hmmm ...I have to think up a good insult for you. Does your head rattle when you walk? If someone listened in your ear would they hear the ocean?

They were in the Promised Land, that was their "Wickedness". Nothing else. You've never heard of Propaganda? That's what it was. I have read the Bible many times, used to believe it 100% before I opened my eyes to the Truth.

 

[SoCalAznGuy]

ninja name me one good thing that has come from christianity.

 

[sandorski]

ninja name me one good thing that has come from christianity.

The Inquisition, what a Show!

 

[RSaylors]

ninja name me one good thing that has come from christianity.

Everyone that has ever been influenced to live outside of his self-pleasuring nature because of his love of Jesus. Everyone that has ever lived above his self-destructive nature, because of faith in Christ. Everyone that has loved his fellow man more than he has loved himself, because of his hope in the Lord.

anyone who has ever been exposed to these teachings and taken them to heart (see Gandhi, Martin Luther King Jr and Mr. T):

If anyone strikes you on the right cheek, turn to him the other also; and if anyone would sue you and take your coat, let him have your cloak as well; and if anyone forces you to go one mile, go with him two miles. Mt 5:39b-41

Everyone who exalts himself will be humbled, and he who humbles himself will be exalted. (Lk 14:11)

There is nothing outside a person, which by going into him can defile him; but the things which come out of a person are what defile him. (Mk 7:15)

“You have heard that it was said, ‘You shall love your neighbor and hate your enemy.’ But I say to you, Love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you….”
—Matthew 5:43-44

let your yes be yes, your no be no . . . (Mt 5:34f)

“No one can serve two masters, for either he will hate the one and love the other, or he will be devoted to the one and despise the other. You cannot serve God and money.
—Matthew 6:24

Judge not, that you be not judged. For with the judgment you pronounce you will be judged, and with the measure you use it will be measured to you. Why do you see the speck that is in your brother’s eye, but do not notice the log that is in your own eye? Or how can you say to your brother, ‘Let me take the speck out of your eye,’ when there is the log in your own eye? You hypocrite, first take the log out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to take the speck out of your brother’s eye. ”
—Matthew 7:1-5

“Teacher, which is the great commandment in the Law?” And he said to him, “You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind. This is the great and first commandment. And a second is like it: You shall love your neighbor as yourself. On these two commandments depend all the Law and the Prophets.”
—Matthew 22:34-40


The theory is sound, it is the practitioner that fails in its application. The last quote is of particular importance, the teachings of Christ require that we view all of the bible as hinging on the importance of loving God and loving our fellow man.

Both people then and now don't do that, see homophobes, but that doesn't change the fact that the basic teaching of Christ is that all scripture is dependent on understanding it is only to be used for loving God and loving one-another.

 

[jpeyton]

Religion is simply another example of human arrogance. Whether you are Christian, Muslim, Jewish, etc., you have to be pretty damn arrogant to think you've figured out the mysteries of the universe through your "faith" when your religion in its entirety is merely a speck on the cosmic time-line (just like the countless dead religions before it). More correctly, humanity as a whole is simply a speck, and religion is a silly set of stories used to comfort feeble minds who can't come to terms with their own mortality.

At least atheists and non-theists have the humility to realize we don't know everything, and all we do know is what we can scientifically prove.

 

[NinjaTech]

They were in the Promised Land, that was their "Wickedness". Nothing else. You've never heard of Propaganda? That's what it was. I have read the Bible many times, used to believe it 100% before I opened my eyes to the Truth.

OK, and you continue to believe that ...

 

[sandorski]

OK, and you continue to believe that ...

will do

 

[NinjaTech]

ninja name me one good thing that has come from christianity.

Oh, I don't know. I will go with, "The salvation of humanity". Of course, I can already surmise that, that will mean nothing to you.

Read RSaylors excellent post if you want more information.

 

[sandorski]

Oh, I don't know. I will go with, "The salvation of humanity". Of course, I can already surmise that, that will mean nothing to you.

Read RSaylors excellent post if you want more information.

Can you confirm this? I thought that was Islam or Buddhism or Hinduism or Jehovah's Witness(ism?) or Mormonism.

Just sayin it don't make it so.

 

[pcgeek11]

No, your claim is that there is invisible cheese that talks to you but doesn't otherwise interact with the real world. My lack of ability to see the cheese when I open the door is due to my lack of belief in said cheese. This is an unfalsifiable belief. You can believe what you like but if you want to invoke the laws of logic you better understand that you don't have a leg to stand on.

PLease refer to my second post:

Here:

Just as I cannot prove that there is a God, you cannot prove that there isn't.

So that makes us pretty even.

 

[sandorski]

PLease refer to my second post:

Here:

Just as I cannot prove that there is a God, you cannot prove that there isn't.

So that makes us pretty even.

It was Fail the first time you posted it.

 

[pcgeek11]

It was Fail the first time you posted it.

How? It is the undeniable truth.

 

[sandorski]

How? It is the undeniable truth.

Negative. It is undeniable nonsense. Do you also accept the existence of the Celestial Tea Pot? FSM? The thousands of gods previously claimed to exist?

 

[pcgeek11]

Negative. It is undeniable nonsense. Do you also accept the existence of the Celestial Tea Pot? FSM? The thousands of gods previously claimed to exist?

Are you really this big of a dipshit or are you just playing?

Let me spell it out for all you that do not understand.

I cannot prove there is a God.
You cannot prove that there isn't a God.
That make us even.

If the above statement is false; then what is false about it?

Is it false that I cannot prove there is a God?

Is it false that you cannot prove that there isn't a God?

I am not trying to convince you of anything. I'm saying that it cannot be proven either right or wrong. If someone chooses to believe or not to is OK.

 

[Cerpin Taxt]

PLease refer to my second post:

Here:

Just as I cannot prove that there is a God, you cannot prove that there isn't.

So that makes us pretty even.

Proof is for mathematics and beverage alcohol. I don't believe a god exists because I have not been presented convincing evidence.

You are invited to present such evidence, but until that evidence is presented my lack of belief is rationally justified.

That you choose to believe something for which there apparently is no convincing evidence -- when rational people generally do not believe things which lack evidence -- does not "make us even." It makes you a person that chooses to believe something with equal evidential support as propositions you likely reject for lack of evidence. That's inconsistent.

 

[PhoKingGuy]

 

[sandorski]

Are you really this big of a dipshit or are you just playing?

Let me spell it out for all you that do not understand.

I cannot prove there is a God.
You cannot prove that there isn't a God.
That make us even.

If the above statement is false; then what is false about it?

Is it false that I cannot prove there is a God?

Is it false that you cannot prove that there isn't a God?

I am not trying to convince you of anything. I'm saying that it cannot be proven either right or wrong. If someone chooses to believe or not to is OK.

If only your Conditions were part of the Conversation. The implication is what makes it Fail. There is no equivalence between the positions. Sorry, but Fail.

 

[Corporate Thug]

I learned long ago not to try to convince anyone to believe in God (ATOT included). I have a "to each their own" policy when it comes to this issue...it really just saves a lot argument.

Nobody is going to convince me that God doesn't exist. And I have no desire to convince a non-believer that God exists. At the very least, I can live harmoniously with people with different views.

 

[pcgeek11]

If only your Conditions were part of the Conversation. The implication is what makes it Fail. There is no equivalence between the positions. Sorry, but Fail.

I guess you answered my question. You are not playing. You really are a dipshit.

 

[totalnoob]

I guess you answered my question. You are not playing. You really are a dipshit.

Cerpin explained the irrationality of your position above. I did something similar on the last page. The fact that you continue to gloss over these posts speaks volumes.

 

[sandorski]

I guess you answered my question. You are not playing. You really are a dipshit.

Your tears give me strength.

 

[jpeyton]

I cannot prove there is a Tooth Fairy.
You cannot prove that there isn't a Tooth Fairy.
That make us even.

Word.

 

[Lonyo]

Are you really this big of a dipshit or are you just playing?

Let me spell it out for all you that do not understand.

I cannot prove there is a God.
You cannot prove that there isn't a God.
That make us even.

If the above statement is false; then what is false about it?

Is it false that I cannot prove there is a God?

Is it false that you cannot prove that there isn't a God?

I am not trying to convince you of anything. I'm saying that it cannot be proven either right or wrong. If someone chooses to believe or not to is OK.

Your God is really a cyclops with 3 ears, a tail, who likes yiffing and eats only truffles.
I cannot prove it, but you cannot disprove it. That makes us even.
If you deny these things, it just means that my intimacy with your God is greater than yours. I cannot prove it, but you cannot disprove it. That makes us even, but your God is still a cyclops.

 

[Zebo]

Everyone that has ever been influenced to live outside of his self-pleasuring nature because of his love of Jesus. Everyone that has ever lived above his self-destructive nature, because of faith in Christ. Everyone that has loved his fellow man more than he has loved himself, because of his hope in the Lord.

anyone who has ever been exposed to these teachings and taken them to heart (see Gandhi, Martin Luther King Jr and Mr. T):

If anyone strikes you on the right cheek, turn to him the other also; and if anyone would sue you and take your coat, let him have your cloak as well; and if anyone forces you to go one mile, go with him two miles. Mt 5:39b-41

Everyone who exalts himself will be humbled, and he who humbles himself will be exalted. (Lk 14:11)

There is nothing outside a person, which by going into him can defile him; but the things which come out of a person are what defile him. (Mk 7:15)

“You have heard that it was said, ‘You shall love your neighbor and hate your enemy.’ But I say to you, Love your enemies and pray for those who persecute you….”
—Matthew 5:43-44

let your yes be yes, your no be no . . . (Mt 5:34f)

“No one can serve two masters, for either he will hate the one and love the other, or he will be devoted to the one and despise the other. You cannot serve God and money.
—Matthew 6:24

Judge not, that you be not judged. For with the judgment you pronounce you will be judged, and with the measure you use it will be measured to you. Why do you see the speck that is in your brother’s eye, but do not notice the log that is in your own eye? Or how can you say to your brother, ‘Let me take the speck out of your eye,’ when there is the log in your own eye? You hypocrite, first take the log out of your own eye, and then you will see clearly to take the speck out of your brother’s eye. ”
—Matthew 7:1-5

“Teacher, which is the great commandment in the Law?” And he said to him, “You shall love the Lord your God with all your heart and with all your soul and with all your mind. This is the great and first commandment. And a second is like it: You shall love your neighbor as yourself. On these two commandments depend all the Law and the Prophets.”
—Matthew 22:34-40


The theory is sound, it is the practitioner that fails in its application. The last quote is of particular importance, the teachings of Christ require that we view all of the bible as hinging on the importance of loving God and loving our fellow man.

Both people then and now don't do that, see homophobes, but that doesn't change the fact that the basic teaching of Christ is that all scripture is dependent on understanding it is only to be used for loving God and loving one-another.

Weak weak weak. No wonder Muslims ran all over y'all in Middle East in a matter of a century. You make head chopping all to easy with that turn other cheek crap.

To me all y'alls are trapped in time. For Christians it was Roman brutal occupation so you had to be on the down low and pacifist. Muslims trying to unite waring tribes so it's more martial. etc. Victims of time and desert mystics.