Damn. Lost another 31 more Marines.

[Doggiedog]

 

[veggz]

damn..

 

[b0mbrman]

Crap

 

[Atomicus]

unbelievable....

 

[TallBill]

Fvck!

 

[ThePresence]

 

[vood0g]

BAGHDAD (Reuters) - A transport helicopter crash in western Iraq (news - web sites) Wednesday killed 31 U.S Marines, CNN reported on Wednesday.



U.S. military officials in Baghdad said they could not immediately confirm the toll but acknowledged there were casualties.

man that sucks. crashed? as in flown into something? or shot down...

 

[BigJelly]

Originally posted by: vood0g

BAGHDAD (Reuters) - A transport helicopter crash in western Iraq (news - web sites) Wednesday killed 31 U.S Marines, CNN reported on Wednesday.



U.S. military officials in Baghdad said they could not immediately confirm the toll but acknowledged there were casualties.

man that sucks. crashed? as in flown into something? or shot down...

they say weather related but casualtiy number isnt confiremed can be 17-31 (from two different sources)

 

[AndrewR]

MSNBC is reporting that it crashed NOT as a result of enemy fire -- either mechanical or weather-related (there have been sandstorms lately).

As sad as this is, it could have happened anywhere. The fact that it was in Iraq is meaningless. Being in the military is often inherently unsafe.

 

[Albis]

wow war is bad

 

[Skiguy411]

There are few people I respect more than those that are in the military.

 

[mrrman]

it will never end unless all the troups are pulled out...people will be killed in some form or an other

 

[artikk]

Originally posted by: mrrman
it will never end unless all the troups are pulled out...people will be killed in some form or an other

:brokenheart:

 

[geno]

Originally posted by: mrrman
it will never end unless all the troups are pulled out...people will be killed in some form or an other

terribly sad but true

 

[Mo0o]

I think P&N has a thread commenmorating the dead and lists their names. Not too sure

 

[AndrewR]

Originally posted by: mrrman
it will never end unless all the troups are pulled out...people will be killed in some form or an other

We lost a kid here last year when an ammo truck flipped over. Should we pull out of Japan? It will never end. Period.

Aircraft crash because large metal objects were never meant to fly. FACT OF LIFE. This helo could have just as easily gone down at Camp Pendleton or Futenma MCAS, Okinawa. In fact, a Marine helo DID crash at Futenma last year, but no one was killed fortunately, which was blind luck since the boom snapped off mid-flight.

 

[jjones]

Originally posted by: mrrman
it will never end unless all the troups are pulled out...people will be killed in some form or an other

It will never end. As long as there is a military, there will be military accidents and people will die. Even without a military, there will be accidents and people will die.

 

[dawks]

Has this 'war' been worth it?

Whats the death toll so far? 1,500-1,700 US Soldiers...? 200,000+ Iraqies?

Then the question is, for what reason/purpose....

 

[DJFuji]

Dont mean to be a nazi about it, but MARINES != soldiers. That's why we're called MARINES.

In either case, very sad to see more brothers-in-arms pay the ultimately sacrifice.

Semper Fidelis.

 

[Jfrag Teh Foul]

Originally posted by: mrrman
it will never end unless all the troups are pulled out...people will be killed in some form or an other

If we pull them out now you totally emasculate their honor and step on volunteerism at its finest. I served for 10 years in the infantry in the US Army, and I find it so disturbing to hear people say they support the troops, but at the same time don't support what the troops do. It's a contradiction in terms. To support them properly you have to stand behind them and their task. As much as it turns your stomach or makes you wring your hands, this is their job. It's not like they don't understand this fact, in fact they understand it much more than most... because they are willing to give everything to ensure others get to have that chance in the future. That is what makes this the most noble task on the planet. In the past their kind forged nations and it isn't any different today. The only difference now is that some think that they can feel good about themselves by saying things that sound nice, but lacking the fortitude to back it up with action... they even lack the courage of their Vietnam era predecessors who at least stood up and said that they didn't support what the troops stood for... which makes it even more dishonorable IMO. Put it in this perspective, you like your highways right? Sure you do... how could we operate our nation as we do today with out them? You wanting to pull them from their assigned task (which still is uncomplete, and leaving the Iraqis would simply be leaving the country to implode on itself thus smearing all the work they HAVE accomplished into the mud, and probably ending up worse than the conditions that we found when we rolled in) is like saying you really support the Highway Department, but really feel that we should pull all of he highway workers off the roads... I mean, they could get hit by a car, or a really bad sunburn. Don't misquote me here either, I understand fully what the difference of consequence here... but the concept and application is the same.

Distrust the leadership of this nation all you want, but when you say things like this you pull the focus from maybe a bad decision made by a leader and you pin it to those who only have your best intentions at heart.

Please, from now on when you try to make a statement about this subject don't get your opinion formulating "facts" from CBS, NBC, Talk Radio or whereever... just talk to a troop.

/Salute to all that died on that crash in Iraq. Your memory I will honor always.

 

[Goosemaster]

Originally posted by: dawks
Has this 'war' been worth it?

Whats the death toll so far? 1,500-1,700 US Soldiers...? 200,000+ Iraqies?

Then the question is, for what reason/purpose....

Nah. Hopefully one day the masses will realize that any dicernable reason was moot at best.

The REAL question is, who will rise from the ashes of our tattered reputation, and make this country the true beacon of freedom that it is supposed to be....It is precisely because we can destroy everything on earth that we should not go around like cowboys starting wars here and there.

Ultimately the ultimate deterent for terrorism is to ignore it and get the people on your side. Bush has sidetracked all of that by quite some time. War is hell, and that is precisely why we should attempt to avoid it at all costs.

As for the Marines, it is a tragic loss. Those fine men and women are now gone, and their families will for much time to come have to deal with the plausibility of justification.

 

[Rogue]

By the numbers, I'm guessing it was a $hithook (AKA Chinook). I know an MP that was in not one, but two $hithooks that crashed. He swore he'd never get in another one for the rest of his life.

 

[Jfrag Teh Foul]

Originally posted by: Rogue
By the numbers, I'm guessing it was a $hithook (AKA Chinook). I know an MP that was in not one, but two $hithooks that crashed. He swore he'd never get in another one for the rest of his life.

Was in a near miss in one myself. They are a scary bird.

 

[halik]

Originally posted by: AndrewR

Originally posted by: mrrman
it will never end unless all the troups are pulled out...people will be killed in some form or an other

We lost a kid here last year when an ammo truck flipped over. Should we pull out of Japan? It will never end. Period.

Aircraft crash because large metal objects were never meant to fly. FACT OF LIFE. This helo could have just as easily gone down at Camp Pendleton or Futenma MCAS, Okinawa. In fact, a Marine helo DID crash at Futenma last year, but no one was killed fortunately, which was blind luck since the boom snapped off mid-flight.

yeah,
none of the news mention enemy fire, so it might just be an accident

 

[Goosemaster]

Originally posted by: Jfrag

Originally posted by: mrrman
it will never end unless all the troups are pulled out...people will be killed in some form or an other

If we pull them out now you totally emasculate their honor and step on volunteerism at its finest. I served for 10 years in the infantry in the US Army, and I find it so disturbing to hear people say they support the troops, but at the same time don't support what the troops do. It's a contradiction in terms. To support them properly you have to stand behind them and their task. As much as it turns your stomach or makes you wring your hands, this is their job. It's not like they don't understand this fact, in fact they understand it much more than most... because they are willing to give everything to ensure others get to have that chance in the future. That is what makes this the most noble task on the planet. In the past their kind forged nations and it isn't any different today. The only difference now is that some think that they can feel good about themselves by saying things that sound nice, but lacking the fortitude to back it up with action... they even lack the courage of their Vietnam era predecessors who at least stood up and said that they didn't support what the troops stood for... which makes it even more dishonorable IMO. Put it in this perspective, you like your highways right? Sure you do... how could we operate our nation as we do today with out them? You wanting to pull them from their assigned task (which still is uncomplete, and leaving the Iraqis would simply be leaving the country to implode on itself thus smearing all the work they HAVE accomplished into the mud, and probably ending up worse than the conditions that we found when we rolled in) is like saying you really support the Highway Department, but really feel that we should pull all of he highway workers off the roads... I mean, they could get hit by a car, or a really bad sunburn. Don't misquote me here either, I understand fully what the difference of consequence here... but the concept and application is the same.

Distrust the leadership of this nation all you want, but when you say things like this you pull the focus from maybe a bad decision made by a leader and you pin it to those who only have your best intentions at heart.

Please, from now on when you try to make a statement about this subject don't get your opinion formulating "facts" from CBS, NBC, Talk Radio or whereever... just talk to a troop.

/Salute to all that died on that crash in Iraq. Your memory I will honor always.

I hope that no one will challenge your devotion to this nation, as I'll take your word that you have demonstrated it with more than words, as I might. I would like to comment on your statement however.

I disagree on the issue that one cannot support the troops and disagree with the brass. Honestly, the govermental brass has shown a great deal of, not so much incompetence, but carelessness and outright arrogance. This has even led to clashes with honorable military men. Overall, the military men are honorable men in the plight, but alas, the governmental brass is currently led my reckless civilians.

I respect the workers for their devotion to their nation. Even so, I feel that the top people in Washington have done everything to defy the wisdom of History. This is where my respect and agreement divide. According to what you stated, it is quite confusing to the troops, but make no mistake, I understand what you are doing. I respect you. The problem is that the military is at the service of the Nations government.

For example, if the landscapers are trying their best to make my house look great, but the people in charge have given them an unwise and impatient set of orders, why would I blame the workers?