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crownjules

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Originally posted by: emblem
I can't find the place in everest to see temps. i'm using everest ultimate.
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Expand the Computer tab and then select Sensor. It will list all the temps, fan speeds, and voltages.
 
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crownjules

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Aside from missing the GPU related temps (unless you don't have a graphics card), that's all you should see. The temps do look a bit odd there. I'm assuming that's idle? My E8400 cores idle around 43C but the CPU temp can be as low as 17-18C. I'm using the Thermalright Ultra-120 Extreme w/AC thermal grease.

I guess if you're using a less efficient HSF, the CPU temp would be closer to the core temps. I'm just amazed at how low your core temps are. I don't think even at 1.15Vs they ever dropped below 43C for me, but I have heard there are some issues with certain mobos not correctly reading/translating the core temp data. What kind of motherboard are you using? I have the Gigabyte P35-DSL3.
 
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DerwenArtos12

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With as many other programs reporting at the temperatures they are, I'd just have to say coretemp is off. With the intel utility, everest, your motherboards utility and speedfan all pretty much agreeing, I'd say your temps are fine, cpu temp is always going to be lower than core temp but, I don't see any reason for a 15C difference between cpu and core and even intels utility core readings are lower than coretemp. I'd say you're fine. I do suggest a bolt through kit for the long term though. I don't trust no plastic pins, atleast on a tower style, the stock intel is solid aluminum and really small so, I wouldn't advise a bolt through kit, unless the computer sees a lot of movement, but, with any aftermarket heatsink I advise bolt-through kits.
 
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emblem

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yep I'm using the P35-DSL3 motherboard.
Weird that it isn't showing GPU temps. I have a 3850.

So I guess my plan now will be to use the bolt through and get a digital thermometer just for extra measure?

Yea it does seem that it's really weird how off the coretemp temps are off. I've asked this question on a different forum and showed them all the information and pics. No one there is able to come up with a reason for the drastic differences.
 
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DerwenArtos12

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Try ATItool for your gpu temps and for overclocking your card. It's not actually exclusive to ATI anymore, hasn't been for quite some time but, thats the name of the program. It's hands down my favorite for video card overclocking and has been since i had my radeon 9600pro. I'm really not too fond of video card naming schemes. Sorry to go off on a tangent rant here but, nvidias ensuing line of video cards are about to have some of the same names and video cards I had from ATI like 6 years ago, thats pretty freaking annoying. I really really really really hate model numbers, just makes it too hard to know what you're really getting. I've been calling video cards by their core for some time now, and I'm actually glad to see it taking a little public eye with the G92s.
 
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emblem

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I'm using CCC to see the card temps. Seems to be working.

I really want to go ahead and just overclock my 2200. With how my temps are should I just go ahead and do it?
 
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DerwenArtos12

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I would wait till the bolt-through kit arrives, since it's already on it's way. But, once you've got that, even if temps stay exactly the same, which I doubt, I would go ahead. Just follow standard procedures and safety measures for overclocking and keep an eye on those temps. Load temps are the ones to really be worried about, idle temperatures are nice and a good place to start, just to make sure nothing is horribly wrong but, under full load is when things will get in to scary territory if they're going to.
 
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Originally posted by: DerwenArtos12
With as many other programs reporting at the temperatures they are, I'd just have to say coretemp is off. With the intel utility, everest, your motherboards utility and speedfan all pretty much agreeing, I'd say your temps are fine, cpu temp is always going to be lower than core temp but, I don't see any reason for a 15C difference between cpu and core
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A 15C difference between Tcore and Tcase is totally normal, and expected.

 
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tofumonster

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Exactly how much did you put on?

Try putting a really small dot of TIM in the middle of the processor. (that's what i do)
 
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emblem

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I've tried all methods I can think of. Small dot, small line down the middle, bag method.
 
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DerwenArtos12

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Originally posted by: VirtualLarry
Originally posted by: emblem
Ok I just ran Coretemp .96.1
I had .96 before

These temps are now matching what speedfan and the bios are giving me.

http://img517.imageshack.us/img517/484/newtempsxg9.jpg
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CoreTemp 0.96 is correct. Coretemp 0.96.1 is erroneous. Your core temps should be 15C higher than your Tcase (BIOS CPU temp) temps. If they aren't, then something is wrong.
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Yet one more reason I'm dissapointed that phenom was a flop. Is there some logic to C2D temperature readings or is intel just messing with us? I read a couple threads on it, and on the new erronious readings with 8x00s and I read the guide to configuring temp tools so that they're supposed to be more accurate but, no one has really tried to explain why it's all necessary. I've got an A64 with a removed IHS and an external temperature probe right next to the core and the readings I get from it are about 1-2C slower than I get from my motherboards utility or any program I use to read the temp.
 
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emblem

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So don't trust ersion .96.1?

I'm sort of losing hope. I just don't think using that bolt-thru is going to help. I can't see just doing that reducing my temps by more than 10 degrees.
 
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emblem

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http://www.tomshardware.com/fo...quad-temperature-guide


My cpu has M0 stepping so it does have Tjuntion max of 85. So then .96.1 would be the right one?

(D) The Delta between Tcase and Tjunction is determined by Stepping:

M0 Stepping = 5c +/- 3
B3 and G0 Stepping = 10c +/- 3
B2 and L2 Stepping = 15c +/- 3

(E) Core Temp, CPU-Z, Crystal CPUID and SpeedFan will be used for Calibrating Tcase and Tjunction at Idle. Prime95 will then be used for Load testing and SpeedFan will be used for temperature monitoring.

Additional Specifications

Ambient Temperature = 22c
Idle to Load Delta Max = 25c
Thermal Diode Accuracy = +/-1c

Tjunction Max = 85c (B2, M0 Stepping)
Tjunction Max = 100c (B3, G0, L2 Stepping)
 
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DerwenArtos12

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Originally posted by: emblem
http://www.tomshardware.com/fo...quad-temperature-guide


My cpu has M0 stepping so it does have Tjuntion max of 85. So then .96.1 would be the right one?

(D) The Delta between Tcase and Tjunction is determined by Stepping:

M0 Stepping = 5c +/- 3
B3 and G0 Stepping = 10c +/- 3
B2 and L2 Stepping = 15c +/- 3

(E) Core Temp, CPU-Z, Crystal CPUID and SpeedFan will be used for Calibrating Tcase and Tjunction at Idle. Prime95 will then be used for Load testing and SpeedFan will be used for temperature monitoring.

Additional Specifications

Ambient Temperature = 22c
Idle to Load Delta Max = 25c
Thermal Diode Accuracy = +/-1c

Tjunction Max = 85c (B2, M0 Stepping)
Tjunction Max = 100c (B3, G0, L2 Stepping)
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sounds right but, C2D temps have my all kinds of confused, especially with all the erronious readings coming out of the new thermistors in wofies.
 
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Bluefront

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After reading this thread, and your many attempts at the TIM application, I am left with one conclusion.......there are many ways to apply TIM, most of which return similar results. In short.....you did nothing wrong. As to the brand of TIM.....take your pick. The purpose of the stuff is to fill in the minute air pockets between surfaces. Any type of TIM will do that.

Assuming there is no problem with warped contact surfaces, or a faulty attachment method, your "problem" with the temperatures is probably a software/sensor reporting issue, not a mechanical issue.

This can be a confusing problem with all the newer stuff. I rely on an external hand-held laser sensor....with a digital read-out. That way I can double-check what a particular software prog is reporting. If I get a 35C reading from the base of the heatsink, and some software program reports 50C, I suspect the software reading is wrong. These reported "core" readings just don't transfer very well into a "real" temperature reading from a heatsink. Which reading to rely on when you make a temperature judgment......up to you.

FWIW....just sitting in the BIOS will normally return higher temperatures than after the OS starts up. These days there are embedded software programs that automatically reduce CPU temps......but not in the BIOS. AFAIK....
 
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Bluefront

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Yeah those things work, but attaching the sensor to the right spot on a CPU heatsink is a pain.

Check out these sensors. Mine came from Snap-on, and I use it for many things besides computer use. The prices on these things have dropped considerably in the last few years.....I've seen cheaper versions for <$30. Check out Harbor Freight for some good prices. After you get one, you'll be surprised how many uses you'll find.

North-bridge temperature...easy. Check your central heating thermostat...easy. Check your oven temps, your car radiator, your car AC, your HD temps....all a snap. :D
 
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Bluefront

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They are worth it. Mine will give a real-time temperature read-out...I suspect others will also. You move the laser pointer dot around and watch the temperature change on the LCD screen. On CPU heatsink this really comes in handy......you can quickly find the hottest spot to monitor. Or you can check individual heatpipe operation.

I use mine to quickly identify where an unknown sensor reading is coming from. Those gun-types are the easiest to read, have a back-light, will retain a temp reading after you move the thing, etc.
 
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Bluefront

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I don't know about those cheap ones, but the better ones have a laser beam that puts a red dot on the spot it's monitoring. So you just move the dot around to the hottest point you can find. If you can afford it, get one that has this laser pointer.....that feature is great.
 
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